Will Cedeno be good?

[CubfaninCA]

He's been struggling of late. He's on something like a 6-32 stretch, with 11 k's.

 

I recall Choi & DuBois starting out hot and then cooling off when the league seemed to adjust to them. Is this happening w/ Cedeno now?

 

His .710 ops is starting to catch up w/ Neifi's .681 from last year.

 

Although Murton lacks power, I like Murton a lot better. I thought Cedeno had some plate discipline, but doesn't look like it.

[BigbadB]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

[soapy]

I don't think Cedeno's ever really had a lot of plate discipline (through the minors). I hope that he's just going through a slump that all "rookies" (I know he's not technically a rookie) will go through and will start to adjust soon.

 

There might be some cause for concernn because Cedeno didn't really hit well until last year. However, he did also continue that hot hitting during the winter, so maybe he has put it together.

 

 

Short answer: I don't know.

[Backtobanks]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

[CubfaninCA]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

 

good question.

 

at least he's doing better than furcal.

[BigbadB]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

 

good question.

 

at least he's doing better than furcal.

 

True, but he's not doing nearly as good as Nomar. :wink:

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

Yep. They're not exactly all-star caliber players right now, but they've been solid.

[Tracer Bullet]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

 

ding ding ding ding

 

Honestly, he hasn't had a ton of plate discipline in the minors either, in terms of walk totals. But Dusty preaching "be aggressive" isn't going to help him be more selective.

[soccer10k]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

As I recall, Cedeno wasn't known for his bat in the minors.

[badgercub]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

 

good question.

 

at least he's doing better than furcal.

 

True, but he's not doing nearly as good as Nomar. :wink:

 

only thing is, Nomar is no longer a shortstop. We could sure use him at first right now though.

[CubfaninCA]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

 

good question.

 

at least he's doing better than furcal.

 

True, but he's not doing nearly as good as Nomar. :wink:

 

he's not a shortstop any longer. :)

[fiver]

Is part of his struggles due in large part to the organizational philosophy of aggressiveness at the plate?

 

good question.

 

at least he's doing better than furcal.

 

True, but he's not doing nearly as good as Nomar. :wink:

 

only thing is, Nomar is no longer a shortstop. We could sure use him at first right now though.

 

first or right or third or SS actually.

[CubfaninCA]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I don't think there's any way to accurately project Cedeno's career based on the season so far.

[fromthestretch]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

[CubfaninCA]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

[fromthestretch]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

[CubfaninCA]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

[cheapseats]

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

 

No.

[fromthestretch]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

 

:roll:

 

Whatever you say. I guess the fact that he actually has produced when given the chance to play regularly doesn't mean anything.

 

No one is saying he's a star player. However, there are some AL teams that could use him as a DH, and probably a handful of teams around the majors that could use him at first base. He just happens to be in an organization that has productive players at 1B and DH already.

[CubfaninCA]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

 

:roll:

 

Whatever you say. I guess the fact that he actually has produced when given the chance to play regularly doesn't mean anything.

 

No one is saying he's a star player. However, there are some AL teams that could use him as a DH, and probably a handful of teams around the majors that could use him at first base. He just happens to be in an organization that has productive players at 1B and DH already.

 

he would have been picked up by one of those teams that needs a 1b or dh then. if he could play ss or catcher, someone could use him. he doesn't produce enough for 1b/dh.

[brinoch]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

 

He also just came off the DL. But, whatever, don't let your disdain for Choi get in the way of your analysis.

[RynoRules]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

 

:roll:

 

Whatever you say. I guess the fact that he actually has produced when given the chance to play regularly doesn't mean anything.

 

No one is saying he's a star player. However, there are some AL teams that could use him as a DH, and probably a handful of teams around the majors that could use him at first base. He just happens to be in an organization that has productive players at 1B and DH already.

 

That doesn't make a lot of sense. If he is as good as you say; was on waivers, meaning anyone could have gotten him; and there are several teams that could use him at DH or 1B, then why didn't one of those teams pick him up?

 

I agree Choi has a good eye and decent approach, but I always thought he had a pretty slow bat. May be that's the rap on him now.

[CubfaninCA]

Why is that people start wondering about Murton and Cedeno. Are they supposed to be slump-proof? Actually Murton and Cedeno are two of the best things about the Cubs this year. I think they both have shown that they can be productive players in the majors for quite a few years.

 

have seen this before. choi, jerome walton....

it's a legit question. not trying to knock the kid.

 

The Marlins are really the only team that has allowed Choi to play regularly, and when given that opportunity, he produced. Then they traded him to the Dodgers who let him rot on the bench.

 

perhaps i'm wrong, but didn't a bunch of teams have a chance to claim choi off waivers recently??

 

I believe the Red Sox have him stashed at AAA now. Doesn't change the fact that when give a chance to actually play regularly, he played well.

 

if the guy could produce, he wouldn't be stashed in AAA.

 

He also just came off the DL. But, whatever, don't let your disdain for Choi get in the way of your analysis.

 

it's an objective opinion. i actually watched the dodger play.

 

i change when the information changes. unfortunately, there are those who never budge an inch.

[cubweiser03]

Good question. I could go either way. His plate discipline in the minors wasnt all that great but it did improve almost every year, and he had a nice improvement of "plate mechanics" (bb/k ratio) in AAA. He can go the other way and gets a fair amount of hits late in the count. Downside i see is he doesnt turn on the ball well (except for the homer) and a lot of hits (my perception) are bloops and infield hits. He doenst seem to be 'ripping' singles.

 

He's only 23 and his improvements are pretty solid. I would put the chance of him becoming a solid-very good mlb player than a flame out at 75-25.