Is it time to move Zambrano?

[LuckyPup]

I know we all love Z, but with the offense shaking right now and our big gun Lee out for a while-I was wondering what we could get from Z. I know it sounds crazy but what if it went down like this-

 

Maybe we send him to Anaheim for say, Santana+Cotchman+Escobar?

now before you blow a gasket just listen- Would the Marlins take Cotchman+Santana+Murton+Aardsma for Miguel Cabrera? If the end result was netting Cabrera would you be up for it?

 

then swing Escobar(6M)+R Hill+J.Jones(4M)+Jwilliams to Philly for Abreu(15M) and all of his salary, then just try and outscore everyone until we get Woody and Prior back- a lineup of

 

CF-Pierre

1B-Walker

LF-Cabrera

RF-Abreu

3B-Aram

C-Barrett

SS-Cedeno

2B-Perez/Hairston/Bynum

I cant imagine how nasty that lineup gets when Lee gets back-Sorry for dreaming but there aint nothing else to do. I just wish Hendry would think outside of the box and make an impact to get us going-we look terrible offensively right now

[srbin84]

No, thanks. He's the only guy we have who is under 40, good and stays healthy.

[sherwood921]

That would leave us with what? 3 rookies, a 40 year old, and Rusch in the rotation...no thank you. Even if Wood, Prior, and Miller come back healthy, we still wouldn't be in great shape.

[synergy]

Zambrano is a mental midget.....I saw him yell at Matt Murton when Murton messed up. If anything goes wrong he completely unravels. Trade him now to get an impact bat. He's the only one who will bring a big star bat right now. If we wait till later, when his value is low, we'll get nothing for him. We have too many light-hitting players on our team. With people on base, no one's afraid to pitch to someone because none of our hitters have power.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Zambrano is a mental midget.....I saw him yell at Matt Murton when Murton messed up. If anything goes wrong he completely unravels. Trade him now to get an impact bat. He's the only one who will bring a big star bat right now. If we wait till later, when his value is low, we'll get nothing for him. We have too many light-hitting players on our team. With people on base, no one's afraid to pitch to someone because none of our hitters have power.

 

Being IMMATURE, and being a MENTAL MIDGET are NOT the same thing. People forget that Zambrano is still only 24 yrs old. And posters like synergy believe Zambrano should act older then his age.

 

 

And now, I would not Zambrano, even for an impact bat. People forget the Cubs are more then one bat away from competing.

[synergy]

Zambrano is a mental midget.....I saw him yell at Matt Murton when Murton messed up. If anything goes wrong he completely unravels. Trade him now to get an impact bat. He's the only one who will bring a big star bat right now. If we wait till later, when his value is low, we'll get nothing for him. We have too many light-hitting players on our team. With people on base, no one's afraid to pitch to someone because none of our hitters have power.

 

Being IMMATURE, and being a MENTAL MIDGET are NOT the same thing. People forget that Zambrano is still only 24 yrs old. And posters like synergy believe Zambrano should act older then his age.

 

 

And now, I would not Zambrano, even for an impact bat. People forget the Cubs are more then one bat away from competing.

 

yes they are a Cabrera and Tejada away from competing.

[SouthSideRyan]

Zambrano is a mental midget.....I saw him yell at Matt Murton when Murton messed up. If anything goes wrong he completely unravels. Trade him now to get an impact bat. He's the only one who will bring a big star bat right now. If we wait till later, when his value is low, we'll get nothing for him. We have too many light-hitting players on our team. With people on base, no one's afraid to pitch to someone because none of our hitters have power.

 

Being IMMATURE, and being a MENTAL MIDGET are NOT the same thing. People forget that Zambrano is still only 24 yrs old. And posters like synergy believe Zambrano should act older then his age.

 

 

And now, I would not Zambrano, even for an impact bat. People forget the Cubs are more then one bat away from competing.

 

yes they are a Cabrera and Tejada away from competing.

 

They're also a horrible rotation away from not competing. And that's what replacing Zambrano with Rusch does. But, no, let's trade away our best starting pitcher BY FAR the past 2 seasons because he acts like a 24 year old.

[Proven Veteran]

If the Cubs traded with Anaheim and didn't get any of their top prospects, I would be quite upset. That's a horrible deal.

[NCCubFan]

Definite no on trading Zambrano. He's off to a slow start this year, but he's the only one of the big three that can be counted on to remain healthy. Maddux is off to a great start, but nobody knows whether he'll keep it up all year. Trading Z could easily result in a disasterous rotation.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Imagine what we could've gotten for Lee this offseason if we had given teams a window to work out an extension. I bet Bowden would've given us Johnson, Wilkerson, and been an intermediary so we could get Bradley for Lee and a prospect.

[Holy Cow]

Its not like we're gonna get a player more valuable in return. I don't get it...why help our line-up but hurt our staff by just as much? Its not like we some great 6th pitcher ready to step in and take Z's spot. In fact, Tejada over Cedeno would be less of an improvment than Z over Rusch, IMO (I can't calculate this for sure as I don't know how to estimate Cedeno's win shares. Edited May 6, 2006 by Holy Cow

[SouthSideRyan]

Its not like we're gonna get a player more valuable in return. I don't get it...why help our line-up but hurt our staff by just as much? Its not like we some great 6th pitcher ready to step in and take Z's spot. In fact, Tejada over Cedeno would less of an improvment than Z over Rusch, IMO (I can't calculate this for sure as I don't know how to estimate Cedeno's win shares.

 

BUT HE'S EMOTIONAL

[NorthsideAvenger]

Imagine what we could've gotten for Lee this offseason if we had given teams a window to work out an extension. I bet Bowden would've given us Johnson, Wilkerson, and been an intermediary so we could get Bradley for Lee and a prospect.

 

Yes, because the .182 that Wilkerson would LOOK mighty impressive on the Cubs right now. Johnson/Wilkerson/prospect DOES NOT equate to being the same as Derrek Lee. Right now, the Cubs could prolly have Wilkerson for a couple of decent prospects.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Imagine what we could've gotten for Lee this offseason if we had given teams a window to work out an extension. I bet Bowden would've given us Johnson, Wilkerson, and been an intermediary so we could get Bradley for Lee and a prospect.

 

Yes, because the .182 that Wilkerson would LOOK mighty impressive on the Cubs right now. Johnson/Wilkerson/prospect DOES NOT equate to being the same as Derrek Lee. Right now, the Cubs could prolly have Wilkerson for a couple of decent prospects.

 

Wilkerson's hitting .255.

 

And considering that Johnson was nearly equaling Lee's production and is also a fine glove man, Johnson/Wilkerson/Bradley would be a great deal.

[USSoccer]

If you wanted to entertain offers for Zambrano (and I stress that I would not do this unless you're getting a top 10 player in the league back), you'd be pretty silly to do it now, since his value isn't at it's highest.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I bet we could still get Abreu for Zambrano. I'd want more than that, and we might could get it.

 

I'm not saying I'd do that deal, but if I knew I could get a healthy and effective Wood, Prior, and Miller into the rotation by June 15...then I would be tempted to see if the Phillies would give Abreu and Hamels for him.

[Jehrico]

First off, I'm not in favor of dealing Big Z. But, if I were going to trade him, the first question I would ask is "what could we get out of AZ?"

 

Want young, cheap, impact bats? Superstar prospects? That's where I look first.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Well, trading Zambrano raises another question. Are we trading him to improve the club for a run this year or one next year?

 

If we've already given up on the season, there are other players I trade ahead of Zambrano, for example Maddux, Wood (once he proves he's healthy), Walker, Hairston, Pierre, and Williamson.

[BigbadB]

If you wanted to entertain offers for Zambrano (and I stress that I would not do this unless you're getting a top 10 player in the league back), you'd be pretty silly to do it now, since his value isn't at it's highest.

 

And it would be just like the current regime to trade a player at his lowest value.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

First off, I'm not in favor of dealing Big Z. But, if I were going to trade him, the first question I would ask is "what could we get out of AZ?"

 

Want young, cheap, impact bats? Superstar prospects? That's where I look first.

 

I'd prefer LAA, just to get him out of the NL.

[USSoccer]

If you wanted to entertain offers for Zambrano (and I stress that I would not do this unless you're getting a top 10 player in the league back), you'd be pretty silly to do it now, since his value isn't at it's highest.

 

And it would be just like the current regime to trade a player at his lowest value.

 

I can't think of many occassions where we've sold high...

[ThePenguin11]

I know we all love Z, but with the offense shaking right now and our big gun Lee out for a while-I was wondering what we could get from Z. I know it sounds crazy but what if it went down like this-

 

Maybe we send him to Anaheim for say, Santana+Cotchman+Escobar?

now before you blow a gasket just listen- Would the Marlins take Cotchman+Santana+Murton+Aardsma for Miguel Cabrera? If the end result was netting Cabrera would you be up for it?

 

then swing Escobar(6M)+R Hill+J.Jones(4M)+Jwilliams to Philly for Abreu(15M) and all of his salary, then just try and outscore everyone until we get Woody and Prior back- a lineup of

 

CF-Pierre

1B-Walker

LF-Cabrera

RF-Abreu

3B-Aram

C-Barrett

SS-Cedeno

2B-Perez/Hairston/Bynum

I cant imagine how nasty that lineup gets when Lee gets back-Sorry for dreaming but there aint nothing else to do. I just wish Hendry would think outside of the box and make an impact to get us going-we look terrible offensively right now

 

Can I propose a moratorium on adding players like Aardsma and Jerome Williams to trades involving top ten hitters in major league baseball? No offense to the original poster, but it seems like every time someone proposes a trade in the Transactions threads we throw in guys like Aardsma who have almost no impact on a trade for all-star players. To get a Miguel Cabrera or a Bobby Abreu you have to overpay because there will be 5-10 other teams bidding against you.

 

When teams trade these top players they let it be known to other GM's that a guy is available to maximize their returns. To get Cabrera you'd have to expect to give up Sean Marshall, Rich Hill and Felix Pie for starters. You might even have to throw Murton in there. I know it would suck to have to give up all those guys, but that's what it takes to pry a gamebreaker from his team - especially when said team is not desperate to trade him.

[rjchapma]

Yeah we probably could make those deals well at least the Cabrera one but like everyone is saying there is no way Id want to take that hit on our rotation