4/8 Cubs/Dead Birds 1:20 CSN, Z!/Carp

[Vinestal]

Just one time, Jones. One fricking time I'd like to see you hit a fastball on the inner half.

 

We all knew he was and is flat out bad, unfortunately, Hendry missed the Memo.

The memo was actually a giant neon billboard, if he had just bothered to look at the guys stats.

[Rusch33]

Just one time, Jones. One fricking time I'd like to see you hit a fastball on the inner half.

 

We all knew he was and is flat out bad, unfortunately, Hendry missed the Memo.

 

Seriously. who was the scout who recommended Jones? He should be fired.

 

 

It's the first week of the season - chill your horses.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Taguchi popped out to second base

[Jon]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

You're enjoying riling them up...

 

Don't deny it. :wink:

 

True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

If that is true, then I suggest you stop.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

What the hell kind of comment is that? Are you calling me a loser?

 

It's a good thing most professional baseball players don't have your attitude.

 

WTF is my attitude? My attitude has been to give blame where it is due, to both player. Your attitude is to excuse the veteran because he's shown he's a good defensive player.

 

And yours is to defend the historically sub-par offensive player with overrated glove skills.

 

Don't get so riled up.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not.

 

true, but his ERROR certainly also led to the 2 runs. We aren't talking about which one is a better defensive player. You singled out one error in that inning and said that led to 2 runs. That's disingenious. BOTH errors led to the two runs. In fact if Lee doesn't make the error, Cedeno's doesn't lead to a run, and the hit doesn't score rolen from 1st.

 

It doesn't matter. Ronny choked with a man in scoring position. He sucks. A possible error yesterday (that scorer is on crack) and 2 today? Awesome D.

 

And I guess Lee choked to put the runner there.

[UMFan83]

Lotta boos for Jacque.

Well deserved. He might be worse than Corey, seriously.

 

 

It's the first week of the season.

 

Corey - 1/6 1 RBI 1 K .167 BA, .167 OBP, .167 SLG, .333 OPS

Jones - 0/12 1 RBI 6 K .000 BA, .077 OBP (not .000 because of INT Walk), .000 SLG, .077 OPS

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

You're enjoying riling them up...

 

Don't deny it. :wink:

 

True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

If that is true, then I suggest you stop.

 

B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

[Outshined_One]

Corey - 1/6 1 RBI 1 K .167 BA, .167 OBP, .167 SLG, .333 OPS

Jones - 0/12 1 RBI 6 K .000 BA, .077 OBP (not .000 because of INT Walk), .000 SLG, .077 OPS

 

Got the strikeout numbers for each?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not.

 

true, but his ERROR certainly also led to the 2 runs. We aren't talking about which one is a better defensive player. You singled out one error in that inning and said that led to 2 runs. That's disingenious. BOTH errors led to the two runs. In fact if Lee doesn't make the error, Cedeno's doesn't lead to a run, and the hit doesn't score rolen from 1st.

 

It doesn't matter. Ronny choked with a man in scoring position. He sucks. A possible error yesterday (that scorer is on crack) and 2 today? Awesome D.

 

And I guess Lee choked to put the runner there.

 

Yes. he did. He still didn't give up a run in doing so.

[Jon]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

You're enjoying riling them up...

 

Don't deny it. :wink:

 

True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

If that is true, then I suggest you stop.

 

B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

Riling people up for the sake of riling people up is not constructive at all.

[Flames24Rulz]

that pitch by Williamson made Pujols look real bad :D

[frostwyrm]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

You're enjoying riling them up...

 

Don't deny it. :wink:

 

True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

If that is true, then I suggest you stop.

 

B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

 

ZZ?

[Fred Hornkohl]

TOP OF THE SEVENTH INNING

 

Williamson in to pitch for the CUBS

Eckstein popped out to second base

Taguchi popped out to second base

Pujols struck out swinging

 

0 runs, 0 hits, 0 errors, 0 men left on base

 

              1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9    R H E
St Louis      0 0 0 0 0 2 0        2 4 0 
CUBS          0 0 0 0 0 0          0 4 3 

 

pitcher     IP  H  R ER BB  K HR PIT
Zambrano   6.0  4  2  0  4  5  0 111 
Williamson 1.0  0  0  0  0  1  0  10 

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

You're enjoying riling them up...

 

Don't deny it. :wink:

 

True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

If that is true, then I suggest you stop.

 

B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

 

Ah...the groupthink line. I love it when some idiot (not aimed at anyone in particular) uses that one.

[Vinestal]

Well on a possitive note, Willamson looked real good.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Nice 1-2-3 inning, Williamson. :)

[Outshined_One]

B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

 

Because you're being antagonistic and rubbing your opinions in everyone's faces.

 

Disagreement is fine. Constantly harping on it and attacking other posters for believing otherwise isn't.

[Rusch33]

Lotta boos for Jacque.

Well deserved. He might be worse than Corey, seriously.

 

 

It's the first week of the season.

 

Corey - 1/6 1 RBI 1 K .167 BA, .167 OBP, .167 SLG, .333 OPS

Jones - 0/12 1 RBI 6 K .000 BA, .077 OBP (not .000 because of INT Walk), .000 SLG, .077 OPS

 

 

Again, it's the first week of the season.

 

Relax.

[gflore34]

Just one time, Jones. One fricking time I'd like to see you hit a fastball on the inner half.

 

We all knew he was and is flat out bad, unfortunately, Hendry missed the Memo.

 

Seriously. who was the scout who recommended Jones? He should be fired.

 

Wasn't Hendry interested in Jones for the past two or three seasons? I don't believe he was going on the recomendation of any Scout.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

Lee's error put the runner in scoring position. Cedeno's error wouldn't have led to a run, and possibly wouldn't have led to Zambrano losing it.

 

 

winners don't make excuses.

 

You're enjoying riling them up...

 

Don't deny it. :wink:

 

True. They just need to take the blinders off for a second and be a little objective. :lol:

If that is true, then I suggest you stop.

 

B/C I disagree with the groupthink opinion on this board?

 

Ah...the groupthink line. I love it when some idiot (not aimed at anyone in particular) uses that one.

 

Don't be an ass. Attack the argument, not the poster, Vance. :roll:

[Guancous]

Over the course of the season, who would you rather have playing SS: Neifi, Nomar, or Ronny C? Nomar is already on the DL for a large sum. Neifi is obviously best as a temporary stopgap. Ronny has offensive skills and it is quite possible that this is the defensive low point of his career. I don't mean the only two error game he'll ever have. I mean that he will become more comfortable and trust his talent. Give him more than four days before you tear him apart.

[badger1679666666]

error by Cedeno = 2 runs for Cards.

 

Defense matters.

 

errors by Cedeno and LEE = 2 runs for the Cards.

 

Let's cut the Bums. Both of em.

 

(Convenient to only single out Ronny).

 

I'm sorry. Has Lee proven that he's an elite defense 1B over the years? Ronny hasn't. Lee's errors are a fluke. Cedeno's are not.

 

true, but his ERROR certainly also led to the 2 runs. We aren't talking about which one is a better defensive player. You singled out one error in that inning and said that led to 2 runs. That's disingenious. BOTH errors led to the two runs. In fact if Lee doesn't make the error, Cedeno's doesn't lead to a run, and the hit doesn't score rolen from 1st.

 

It doesn't matter. Ronny choked with a man in scoring position. He sucks. A possible error yesterday (that scorer is on crack) and 2 today? Awesome D.

 

And I guess Lee choked to put the runner there.

 

Yes. he did. He still didn't give up a run in doing so.

 

Are you really this blind?

 

Lee's FIRST error put Edmonds on 3rd. If that doesn't happen Ronny's error doesn't give up crap, plus they don't score at all.

 

Wow.

 

This isn't even ABOUT whether cedeno is good or not. It's you innacurately attributing the runs to one player, when the other was probably MORE responsiblie for em.

Edited April 8, 2006 by badger

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Corey - 1/6 1 RBI 1 K .167 BA, .167 OBP, .167 SLG, .333 OPS

Jones - 0/12 1 RBI 6 K .000 BA, .077 OBP (not .000 because of INT Walk), .000 SLG, .077 OPS

 

Got the strikeout numbers for each?

 

Look harder.

[mhuber92211]

All these comments about how much Jones sucks and how we wasted signing him are not only a little premature but a LOT premature.

 

Pujols is 0-7 in this series, and he makes more then Jones so his contract must be worse. If Jones goes another week without getting a hit I will change my SN to douchebagJones for the rest of his contract.

 

Its ridiculous to boo Jones after less then 4 full games.