4-7-06 Cubs/Hated Birds, Maddux/Suppan 1:20 WGN

[sethuel1]

and Bagwell is on the list but no Babe Ruth?

 

I just found the actual list. First one was NL-only. this is the full list. Sorry for the mix-up.

RCAA RCAA

1 Babe Ruth 1795

2 Barry Bonds 1502

3 Ted Williams 1475

4 Ty Cobb 1369

5 Lou Gehrig 1247

6 Stan Musial 1204

7 Mickey Mantle 1099

8 Rogers Hornsby 1084

9 Tris Speaker 1053

10 Hank Aaron 1032

 

The bottom ten is the full list of the bottom 10 (since 1900). No one-league-or-the-other there.

[Outshined_One]

So Joe Morgan was great. :shock:

 

Despite his absolute hatred of the sabre crowd, Joe Morgan is one of the players who comes off the best by their measurements and stats. Remember that he was a baseball player who was on the shorter side and was not perceived as a five tool threat. Yet, he put up some great numbers for his era with regards to OBP, OPS, and so on.

[YearofDaCubs]

Seriously, did you guys see Dempster last pitch to Edmonds? Filthy.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Is there a sabermetric stat that measures how many runs he saves (our extra outs he makes) over a season compared to the average fielder? Could you post at least his range factor (or some better estimation stat) compared to Walker's or something if you have it? I seriously doubt he saves enough runs over the average fielder to excuse that RCAA...

 

welcome and great name by the way.

[Omar]

Hah... who better to strike out than Edmonds to strike out to finish off a game?

[CoolHandLuke]

Neifi w/ 3 hits. I thought the Cubs were supposed to lose if he played. At least thatis what you would have thought reading some posts on here.

 

Neifi is not THAT bad people...

 

He is only among the worst hitters in all of major league baseball since 1900. THAT IS BAD.

 

Today he got a bloop single on a ball that was a six inches of the ground and a lucky hop that golden boy Pujols should have stabbed.

 

Neifi sucks, he should never start. Ever.

 

Where did you come up with that stat? Since 1900? This hatred of Perez is just plain silly.

 

A poor decision is a poor decision no matter the outcome. I don't mind an occasional Perez start but batting him second is just plain dumb.

[Jehrico]

Neifi w/ 3 hits. I thought the Cubs were supposed to lose if he played. At least thatis what you would have thought reading some posts on here.

 

Neifi is not THAT bad people...

 

He is only among the worst hitters in all of major league baseball since 1900. THAT IS BAD.

 

Today he got a bloop single on a ball that was a six inches of the ground and a lucky hop that golden boy Pujols should have stabbed.

 

Neifi sucks, he should never start. Ever.

 

Where did you come up with that stat? Since 1900? This hatred of Perez is just plain silly.

* Fewest RCAA since 1900

1 Ski Melillo -355

2 Tommy Thevenow -351

3 Bill Bergen -312

4 Tim Foli -309

5 Larry Bowa -307

6 Alfredo Griffin -306

T7 Don Kessinger -305

T7 Ozzie Guillen -305

9 Neifi Perez -302

10 Ed Brinkman -300

source: Sabermetic Baseball Encyclopedia

 

Definition of RCAA:

1. RCAA (n)

a measure of a batter's ability to contribute runs per outs made as compared to the runs contributed by a theoretical average player.

 

 

Just for kicks, here's the top 10 since 1900:'

EDIT: NL-ONLY. For the top 10 list for both leagues, see my post below.

RCAA

1 Barry Bonds 1502

2 Stan Musial 1204

3 Rogers Hornsby 1081

4 Hank Aaron 1039

5 Willie Mays 1008

6 Mel Ott 989

7 Honus Wagner 938

8 Jeff Bagwell 680

9 Joe Morgan 657

10 Eddie Mathews 652

 

 

 

P.S. Not that i expect you to believe this stat at all. In fact, you'll probably just ignore it and then wait for one of us young whippersnappers to make another statement you find outlandish, which you will reply to with a post like this one:

 

"(Insert partial quoted comment here)! Ha! That's outlandish!"

 

In fact, just cut and paste the above line from now on to save yourself time.

 

Are you sure that top 10 is right for the NL? That's just a wierd distribution curve, namely the drop from Wagner to Bagwell.

[sethuel1]

Neifi w/ 3 hits. I thought the Cubs were supposed to lose if he played. At least thatis what you would have thought reading some posts on here.

 

Neifi is not THAT bad people...

 

He is only among the worst hitters in all of major league baseball since 1900. THAT IS BAD.

 

Today he got a bloop single on a ball that was a six inches of the ground and a lucky hop that golden boy Pujols should have stabbed.

 

Neifi sucks, he should never start. Ever.

 

Where did you come up with that stat? Since 1900? This hatred of Perez is just plain silly.

* Fewest RCAA since 1900

1 Ski Melillo -355

2 Tommy Thevenow -351

3 Bill Bergen -312

4 Tim Foli -309

5 Larry Bowa -307

6 Alfredo Griffin -306

T7 Don Kessinger -305

T7 Ozzie Guillen -305

9 Neifi Perez -302

10 Ed Brinkman -300

source: Sabermetic Baseball Encyclopedia

 

Definition of RCAA:

1. RCAA (n)

a measure of a batter's ability to contribute runs per outs made as compared to the runs contributed by a theoretical average player.

 

 

Just for kicks, here's the top 10 since 1900:'

EDIT: NL-ONLY. For the top 10 list for both leagues, see my post below.

RCAA

1 Barry Bonds 1502

2 Stan Musial 1204

3 Rogers Hornsby 1081

4 Hank Aaron 1039

5 Willie Mays 1008

6 Mel Ott 989

7 Honus Wagner 938

8 Jeff Bagwell 680

9 Joe Morgan 657

10 Eddie Mathews 652

 

 

 

P.S. Not that i expect you to believe this stat at all. In fact, you'll probably just ignore it and then wait for one of us young whippersnappers to make another statement you find outlandish, which you will reply to with a post like this one:

 

"(Insert partial quoted comment here)! Ha! That's outlandish!"

 

In fact, just cut and paste the above line from now on to save yourself time.

 

Are you sure that top 10 is right for the NL? That's just a wierd distribution curve, namely the drop from Wagner to Bagwell.

 

Found it here:

http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=41141

[UBlink]

and Bagwell is on the list but no Babe Ruth?

 

I just found the actual list. First one was NL-only. this is the full list. Sorry for the mix-up.

RCAA RCAA

1 Babe Ruth 1795

2 Barry Bonds 1502

3 Ted Williams 1475

4 Ty Cobb 1369

5 Lou Gehrig 1247

6 Stan Musial 1204

7 Mickey Mantle 1099

8 Rogers Hornsby 1084

9 Tris Speaker 1053

10 Hank Aaron 1032

 

The bottom ten is the full list of the bottom 10 (since 1900). No one-league-or-the-other there.

 

No wonder they could get by without chemistry.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Neifi w/ 3 hits. I thought the Cubs were supposed to lose if he played. At least thatis what you would have thought reading some posts on here.

 

Neifi is not THAT bad people...

 

He is only among the worst hitters in all of major league baseball since 1900. THAT IS BAD.

 

Today he got a bloop single on a ball that was a six inches of the ground and a lucky hop that golden boy Pujols should have stabbed.

 

Neifi sucks, he should never start. Ever.

 

Where did you come up with that stat? Since 1900? This hatred of Perez is just plain silly.

 

A poor decision is a poor decision no matter the outcome. I don't mind an occasional Perez start but batting him second is just plain dumb.

 

Batting order doesn't matter much according to Bill James and statistical analysis.

[Jon]

I didn't see that discussion nor the article, but I'd imagine that's on average. Lee's really good season last year and Neifi's really bad OBP are extremes.

[Omar]

Good to see Jones is pulling a Mark Tiexeira WBC.

[UBlink]

Good to see Jones is pulling a Mark Tiexeira WBC.

 

Well, so far Texeira seems to have recovered somewhat, 400/455/500/955 is a decent line, but no HR's in 22 PA's.

[Zambranos Middle Finger]

Is there a sabermetric stat that measures how many runs he saves (our extra outs he makes) over a season compared to the average fielder? Could you post at least his range factor (or some better estimation stat) compared to Walker's or something if you have it? I seriously doubt he saves enough runs over the average fielder to excuse that RCAA...

 

Welcome!

 

While not flawlessly accurate, BRAA(Batting Runs Above Average) and FRAA(Fielding Runs Above Average) do a decent enough job for what you're looking for.

 

In Neifi's career....

 

Adjusted for Season

BRAA: -221

FRAA: 103

Net: -118

 

Adjusted for All-Time

BRAA: -219

FRAA: 94

Net: -125

 

 

Thanks for the link and the response!

 

So it look like walkers numbers are:

 

BRAA: 39

FRAA:-54

Net: -15

 

It seems like Dusty should always have a compelling reason to start Neifi over Walk like a significantly better average against a certain pitcher. Although it is a little troubling to see that Walker's bat does not seem to make up for his glove either...Would the average 2nd baseman have a net of 0 or only the average player?