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The Miguel trade rumors are still lurking out there, in fact, they resurfaced in at least two news articles in the past couple days:

 

NY Post

 

The most interesting names on the market will be Miguel Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis. The Marlins will decide it is not worthwhile to pay them a combined $15 million in 2007. Instead, they will conclude their fire sale with an eye on adding to what already is one of the majors' best prospect stockpiles.

 

From today's Newsday Article

 

In South Florida, 22-year-old stud Miguel Cabrera doesn't fit with Joe Girardi's hustling Marlins and might emerge as the most likely superstar to hear his name at trade deadline time. "It almost looks like he's trying to get traded," one AL exec speculated. Not that his superstar attitude or slightly out-of-shape physique will discourage anyone. The AL exec said, "I'd take him in a heartbeat." But as another exec pointed out, "It may be hard for Florida to get enough for him."

 

 

All that being said, I would give ALOT to give this guy. The obvious question is, however, do we have enough to get him. What would you guys be willing to give?

 

Murton, Pie, Hill, and Marshall are all fair game as far as i'm concerned.

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If you trade Pie you need to lock up Pierre.Can Murton our Cabrera possibly be serviceable in right?Upgrading left is great but right still looks very average.
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If you trade Pie you need to lock up Pierre.Can Murton our Cabrera possibly be serviceable in right?Upgrading left is great but right still looks very average.

 

If we got Cabrera, that would allow us to focus on right field, and I doubt locking up Pierre would be much of a problem.

 

Cabrera would instantly make out outfield 100 times better.

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Pierre may be a problem.Hendry was saying last week that the price of a leadoff hitter is changing.He refered to Rollins at 8 mil and Furcal.I can't see him paying Pierre 8 mil.,but someone might.
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Pierre may be a problem.Hendry was saying last week that the price of a leadoff hitter is changing.He refered to Rollins at 8 mil and Furcal.I can't see him paying Pierre 8 mil.,but someone might.

 

Hendry also said sosa would be our starting right fielder last year.

 

I believe if hendry wants pierre long term, he'll get him.

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Pierre may be a problem.Hendry was saying last week that the price of a leadoff hitter is changing.He refered to Rollins at 8 mil and Furcal.I can't see him paying Pierre 8 mil.,but someone might.

 

Hendry also said sosa would be our starting right fielder last year.

 

I believe if hendry wants pierre long term, he'll get him.

Alot of people bash Hendry but i'm with you on Pierre.If he really wants Pierre long term,he'll get him.

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We're not going to get Cabrera. There are at least 15 other teams with farm systems deep enough to offer packages better than ours. The Marlins will never get equal value for Cabrera when dealing for prospects, but they're going to ask for a lot more than we can offer in terms of top tier talent.

 

Hill is a fluke. Marshall isn't as ML ready as some of us like to think. Pie is raw, but very talented. Ryu is solid with a mediocre ceiling. Pawelek is a stud in the making and the only Cubs prospect I'd truly miss seeing.

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a couple years ago I might have thought that hendry would go get cabrera if he's available. But I don't think so anymore. Between hendry waiting way too long to take care of glaring problems and MacPhail's cheapness and laughing at the cubs conventions about paying vlad guerrero so much money when he has a bad back, the cubs won't ever make the big moves with those guys still there.
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If you trade Pie you need to lock up Pierre.Can Murton our Cabrera possibly be serviceable in right?Upgrading left is great but right still looks very average.

 

If Aramis walks Cabrera will play third base. He was only put in the outfield in the first place because Hollandsworth was stinking up right field and Lowell was at third.

 

I would love for the Cubs to get him but there are other organizations that can afford to deal away much better, and more prospects than the Cubs.

 

And then there is the "attitude" thing. Hendry spent the 04 off-season ridding the team of malcontents and did his damnedest to get rid of the best second baseman on the team this off-season.

 

BTW> Who wouldn't have a bad attitude with the group of players assembled in Miami this year? If I'm Willis or Caberera I am marking the calendar every day until I leave or the Marlins leave S. Florida.

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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

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i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

Considering Pujols is a veteran of the Spanish-American War, I wouldn't exactly call him "young".

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i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

Considering Pujols is a veteran of the Spanish-American War, I wouldn't exactly call him "young".

Hahaha. Awesome.
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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

What else do the Cards have to offer beyond Reyes? Their farm system is even more shallow than ours is.

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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

What else do the Cards have to offer beyond Reyes? They're farm system is even more shallow than ours is.

 

I'd have to think that the Marlins preference would be to send Miguel to an AL team if packages are equal. That being said, if they Cards (or any other team) offers the farm for him, all bets are off.

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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

What else do the Cards have to offer beyond Reyes? They're farm system is even more shallow than ours is.

 

I'd have to think that the Marlins preference would be to send Miguel to an AL team if packages are equal. That being said, if they Cards (or any other team) offers the farm for him, all bets are off.

 

The Marlins already have a better pitching prospects than Reyes in Anibal Sanchez and Olsen. I doubt Reyes is that tempting, much less the other arms St. Louis has.

 

There's no fear of St. Louis getting Cabrera.

 

A stud catching prospect, 2B, and 3B is more likely what their looking for.

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i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

Considering Pujols is a veteran of the Spanish-American War, I wouldn't exactly call him "young".

"Despicable. Deplorable. Some of the worst apple hurling and stick mashing I've seen. You hit like a bunch of old men who fought in the Spanish-American War...which hasn't even been fought yet!"

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A stud catching prospect, 2B, and 3B is more likely what their looking for.

 

Isn't the rookie catcher they are going to have suppose to be a stud??

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We are not going to get Cabrera. Or at least thats what I think he just to good and they wouldnt give him up for just minor leaguers. We'll see I could be wrong.
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A stud catching prospect, 2B, and 3B is more likely what their looking for.

 

Isn't the rookie catcher they are going to have suppose to be a stud??

 

his D is very below average. he should be very good offensively, but he has lots of troubles throwing out runners and has had knee issues in the past. he'd be a DH in the AL.

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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

What else do the Cards have to offer beyond Reyes? They're farm system is even more shallow than ours is.

We've got some arms and a few really good position prospects. Aside from Reyes and Wainright, all of them are a few years away, but guys like Chris Lambert, Mark McCormick, Colby Rasmus, Tyler Greene, Stuart Pomeranz could be considered potential star prospects. Unfortunately, any trade for Cabrera would almost certainly completely deplete our system which is just now starting to become respectable.

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We are not going to get Cabrera. Or at least thats what I think he just to good and they wouldnt give him up for just minor leaguers. We'll see I could be wrong.

 

They don't want major league talent, because they can't afford it. The only reason for them to trade Cabrera is that he is gonna get real expensive real soon. The best possible trade for them would be to get prospects who will not be real expensive as soon.

 

I am holding out hope that the recent Cubs and Marlins dealings (Clement, Lee, Pierre, Wellemeyer deals) make Florida more willing to deal with the Cubs than other teams.

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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

What else do the Cards have to offer beyond Reyes? They're farm system is even more shallow than ours is.

We've got some arms and a few really good position prospects. Aside from Reyes and Wainright, all of them are a few years away, but guys like Chris Lambert, Mark McCormick, Colby Rasmus, Tyler Greene, Stuart Pomeranz could be considered potential star prospects. Unfortunately, any trade for Cabrera would almost certainly completely deplete our system which is just now starting to become respectable.

 

The Cards have some interesting guys however they don't have the talent to get a guy like Cabrera.

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i've read the cards are offering a package that starts w/ anthony reyes.

 

i'm really hoping thats not true. them w/ pujols and cabrera would be insane. 2 best young bats in baseball. :(

 

What else do the Cards have to offer beyond Reyes? They're farm system is even more shallow than ours is.

We've got some arms and a few really good position prospects. Aside from Reyes and Wainright, all of them are a few years away, but guys like Chris Lambert, Mark McCormick, Colby Rasmus, Tyler Greene, Stuart Pomeranz could be considered potential star prospects. Unfortunately, any trade for Cabrera would almost certainly completely deplete our system which is just now starting to become respectable.

 

The Cardinals have nothing beside Reyes that I think would interest the Marlins. They have 1 prospect in the top 100 (according to BA and every top 100 list I've seen this year) and thats Reyes. Reyes is good but the Cardinals definitely don't have enough to get Cabrera.

 

I think a team like the Angels could make a good run at him if they wanted. Howie Kendrick would be a good start.

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