How Good is Alex Rodriquez?

[CuseCubFan69]

That was pretty stupid of him. But he's still on pace to challenge Aaron. Best player in the game.

 

Yes indeed he is. I wish he were a little tougher mentally but he's the best out there IMO.

 

the knock on him for being a bad postseason player is completely unfounded if you look at the stats (if that is what you are referring to)

 

No it wasn't. I was referring to him compromising too often and trying to please people.

[Derwood]

That was pretty stupid of him. But he's still on pace to challenge Aaron. Best player in the game.

 

Yes indeed he is. I wish he were a little tougher mentally but he's the best out there IMO.

 

the knock on him for being a bad postseason player is completely unfounded if you look at the stats (if that is what you are referring to)

 

No it wasn't. I was referring to him compromising too often and trying to please people.

 

i see. carry on then.

[soccer10k]

There's no way that Jeter is better that Rodriguez. Just because you don't like a player doesn't devalue his ability.

 

I don't like either player. They play for the Yankees.

[soccer10k]

I think it's much harder to find a natural leader like Jeter than a power hitter like A-Rod. I would much rather have Jeter on my team than A-Rod.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think it's much harder to find a natural leader like Jeter than a power hitter like A-Rod. I would much rather have Jeter on my team than A-Rod.

 

It's easier to find the best player in the game than a "natural leader"? You'd rather have someone who's not the best player in the game(is Jeter in the top 15? 30?) instead of the best player in the game?

[samuelperaltasosa]

Pujols>A-Rod

[DiamondMind]

http://images.radcity.net/4183/816779.jpg

 

This picture shows all you need to know about A-Rod. I posted another name before, but that got deleted. So I guess I'll just have to call him A-Rod.

 

Have you ever played sports? If you have, you should know that some decisions you make are literally split-second. There was a play with Virginia Tech where Marcus Vick throat-stomped another player and was dogged in the media for it. No one is advocating either decision, but I can see how in the heat of the moment, you'd do something regrettable, something you'd never do under calm normal circumstances.

[bobbyd20]

This is not meant to be a slam toward Jeter because he's a heck of a player and I'd love to have him playing SS on the northside, but the idea that he is a great post-season player and A-Rod is a bum in the post-season is nothing but a myth. Both players have great offensive numbers during the playoffs.

 

Jeter - .307 BA, .378 OBP, .463 SLG

 

A-Rod - .305 BA, .401 OBP, .534 SLG

 

 

It seems that the idea of A-Rod not playing well in the playoffs has been repeated so many times that people believe it. The numbers just don't back up that notion.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Pujols>A-Rod

 

In an offensive vacuum, maybe. But add in positional scarcity, the running game, and defensive differences, A-Rod comes on top for me.

[rjchapma]

A-ROD is the best player in the game now. As for one of the best of all time if he continues his career the way it's going then he will be one of the best of all time in my eyes. Even moving to third he still is the best SS in the game in my eyes. The only reason he moved to third was because he has a better arm then Jeter and therfore could play another position rather then Jeter who has been there all of his career. Hands down the best player in the game now though.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Pujols>A-Rod

 

I can't agree with that statement. Offensively, maybe. But Arod has produced over a longer period than Pujols. Add to that, Arod's defense at a position of scarcity, then Rodriguez rises above.

[rjchapma]

Three best players in the game AROD 1, Pujols 2, Vlad 3 in my eyes with everything taken into consideration. Because Pujols is no slouch in the field.

[rawaction]

Three best players in the game AROD 1, Pujols 2, Vlad 3 in my eyes with everything taken into consideration. Because Pujols is no slouch in the field.

 

Yeah he is. I heard a ton about how Pujols was a potential gold glover at 1B. He's not nearly that good defensively. I would rate him slightly below average just based on watching him play.

[rjchapma]

I'm not saying he's a gold glover, but you can't take much away from him because of his defense. He's one of the best hitters in the game.

[rawaction]

I'm not saying he's a gold glover, but you can't take much away from him because of his defense. He's one of the best hitters in the game.

 

You can when he's being compared to Arod. Pujols had an .008 advantage in OPS. ARod was the best defensive SS in the game, now is one of the better defensive 3B in the game. The difference between their defense is much greater than the difference in their offense.

[rjchapma]

I'm not comparing him to AROD I said earlier in this thread that AROD is hands down the best player in the majors. Pujols is second, but not even close to AROD.

[rawaction]

I'm not comparing him to AROD I said earlier in this thread that AROD is hands down the best player in the majors. Pujols is second, but not even close to AROD.

 

My bad. You did say that. But you also said Pujols is "no slouch" in the field, when he is in fact, quite slouchy.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I'd take Arod for the next few years however considering Pujols age long term I'd take Pujols.

 

Another thought, if Jeter is such a great team guy why didn't he change positions to accommodate A-Rod who’s a better defender?

 

 

edit - spelling issue

Edited February 27, 2006 by CardsFanInChiTown

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I'm not comparing him to AROD I said earlier in this thread that AROD is hands down the best player in the majors. Pujols is second, but not even close to AROD.

 

My bad. You did say that. But you also said Pujols is "no slouch" in the field, when he is in fact, quite slouchy.

 

I've seen defensive metrics all over the map in regards to Pujols defense. I consider him around average.

[goonys evil twin]

Another thought, if Jeter is such a great team guy why didn't be change positions to accommodate A-Rod who’s a better defender?

 

They weren't going to tarnish the image of Saint Jeter by admitting he's not that good with the glove. And for all the talk of his leadership and "winnerability", the real clubhouse leaders of the Torre era Yankees teams retired years ago. Jeter is more Madison Avenue than ARod, who gets constant blame for being too polished.

[rawaction]

I'm not comparing him to AROD I said earlier in this thread that AROD is hands down the best player in the majors. Pujols is second, but not even close to AROD.

 

My bad. You did say that. But you also said Pujols is "no slouch" in the field, when he is in fact, quite slouchy.

 

I've seen defensive metrics all over the map in regards to Pujols defense. I consider him around average.

 

I'll accept "around" average. If you take the 30 starting 1B in baseball, my guess is Pujols would be around the 13-17th best defensively. Probably not quite a slouch, but he's nowhere near a great fielder.

[reggiemiller rules]

I'm not comparing him to AROD I said earlier in this thread that AROD is hands down the best player in the majors. Pujols is second, but not even close to AROD.

 

My bad. You did say that. But you also said Pujols is "no slouch" in the field, when he is in fact, quite slouchy.

 

John Dewean the CEO of Stats Inc wrote a book about defensive players with help from Bill James and in his book Teixiera, Mientwhatever, and Pujols were the highest rated 1st baseman over the 3 year peroid. I dont think Pujols is one of the top 3 defensive firstbaseman, but he no slouch like you say, and alot of baseball people dont think he is either.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I'm not saying he's a gold glover, but you can't take much away from him because of his defense. He's one of the best hitters in the game.

 

You can when he's being compared to Arod. Pujols had an .008 advantage in OPS. ARod was the best defensive SS in the game, now is one of the better defensive 3B in the game. The difference between their defense is much greater than the difference in their offense.

 

I think you're skewing things slightly by taking only last year's numbers. If you look at their careers, Pujols is easily the better offensive player.

 

Pujols: .332/.416/.621

ARod: .307/.385/.577

 

ARod had an above average season last year and Pujols just had his ho-hum average season and still beat ARod by 8 OPS points. I'll take Pujols offensively.

 

Pujols isn't such a great defensive liability that we should overlook age and the offensive gap between the two players.

[Mark_R]

Pujols>A-Rod

 

In an offensive vacuum, maybe. But add in positional scarcity, the running game, and defensive differences, A-Rod comes on top for me.

 

When you factor in age and contract, Pujols comes out on top for me.

[snoodmonger]

I've never really understood the heat ARod took for knocking the ball away. It was a total instinct move. He got called out. What's the big deal?