Bears Offseason

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Just so you know, a lot of tackles for a corner isn't a good thing.

[Jon]

According to comments made by Angelo at the convention, the Bears are working on a long-term extension for Briggs.

[rawaction]

Just so you know, a lot of tackles for a corner isn't a good thing.

 

It's not necessarily a bad thing either. Tillman is pretty good against the run, probably one of the top 3 CBs in the league in that aspect. And even if you say the tackles were amounted because of the catches he gave up, it's not like he let a bunch of guys score on him. Take weeks 11-12. Yeah, he gave up a lot of catches to Steve Smith and Joey Galloway, but he had 17 tackles in those 2 games, and kept both out of the endzone. He did give up 3 plays over 20 yards to Galloway, but just 1 to Smith.

 

By comparison, Vasher completely shut down both of the #2 guys he faced both days, but TB and Carolina had the least production out of their #2 WRs in the league with a combined 57 catches, and barely 500 yards, from Clayton and Proehl respectively.

 

Not trying to knock Vasher, but he simply didn't play the competition that Tillman did, and these 2 consecutive weeks are the biggest examples of that. Actually, I think this shows that Vasher should move up to the #1 CB and take every team's top WR. And I also think it shows that Peanut would be fine against any team's #2. I don't want a CB to replace Tillman, I just want it for depth and to avoid Chris Thompson with any WR on a whole half of a field.

[UK1679666180]

I still think Tillman did fine last year, he had a bad game vs. Carolina and like almost every other DB in the game, he isn't good enough to cover Smith one on one.

 

I still blame Rivera more than Tillman for Smith smacking around the Bears.

 

They do need a better 3rd DB not that Azumah has proven that the hip injury was worse than everyone hoped for.

 

But, I do think getting a 3rd DB is more important than replacing Hillenmeyer, who is more of a 4th LB rather than a starting one.

[rawaction]

I still think Tillman did fine last year, he had a bad game vs. Carolina and like almost every other DB in the game, he isn't good enough to cover Smith one on one.

 

I still blame Rivera more than Tillman for Smith smacking around the Bears.

 

They do need a better 3rd DB not that Azumah has proven that the hip injury was worse than everyone hoped for.

 

But, I do think getting a 3rd DB is more important than replacing Hillenmeyer, who is more of a 4th LB rather than a starting one.

 

Hunter played like a #2 LB this past season. I agree that he's probably a 4th guy talent wise, but he did very well in 05. A 3rd DB is definitely more important, but I would love to complete the LB corp with 1 more young stud. Joe will be decent if Hillenmeyer isn't back.

[UK1679666180]

Assuming they only get a WR, some former IU QB...

 

I'll do a mock draft...

 

1st TE (Leonard Pope-UGA)

2nd DB (Cedric Griffin-Texas)

3rd OLB (Stanley McGlover-Auburn) played DE can excel at OLB.

4th K (Connor Hughes-UVA)

5th-OG/OT (Kevin Boothe-Bucknell)

6th-FB Garrett Mills-Tulsa or Matt Bernstine-Wisconsin

7th-QB Erik Meyer Eastern Washington

 

They'll need a kick returner that didn't get drafted.

[NCCubFan]

Assuming they only get a WR, some former IU QB...

When did Trent Green switch to WR? :lol:

[CP_414]

Assuming they only get a WR, some former IU QB...

 

I'll do a mock draft...

 

1st TE (Leonard Pope-UGA)

2nd DB (Cedric Griffin-Texas)

3rd OLB (Stanley McGlover-Auburn) played DE can excel at OLB.

4th K (Connor Hughes-UVA)

5th-OG/OT (Kevin Boothe-Bucknell)

6th-FB Garrett Mills-Tulsa or Matt Bernstine-Wisconsin

7th-QB Erik Meyer Eastern Washington

 

They'll need a kick returner that didn't get drafted.

 

Not bad picks. I'm really intrested in Jeremy Bloom as a punt/kick returner in the 4th round (if he is still there). If they get Randel El, there really isn't as much of a need for Bloom, but I think he'll have a productive "Tim Dwight" type of career.

[Magnetic Curses]

isn't there some way we can trade up to take davis? please tell me there is.

[UK1679666180]

They could trade up to get Davis, Angelo would be one of the least likely I'd expect to trade up.

[YearofDaCubs]

They could trade up to get Davis, Angelo would be one of the least likely I'd expect to trade up.

Agreed, I don't see him trading up to get Davis although that would have been nice.

[Chocolate Milk]

Last year he played in 14 games and had 41 tackles, 6 Ints. He's 32.

 

Your stats on Law are incorrect. Law lead the league in interceptions with 10 last year.

 

Law's 2005 stats:

 

Games:16

Tackles: 62

Int:10

TD's:1

[Chocolate Milk]

I still think Tillman did fine last year, he had a bad game vs. Carolina and like almost every other DB in the game, he isn't good enough to cover Smith one on one.

 

I still blame Rivera more than Tillman for Smith smacking around the Bears.

 

They do need a better 3rd DB not that Azumah has proven that the hip injury was worse than everyone hoped for.

 

But, I do think getting a 3rd DB is more important than replacing Hillenmeyer, who is more of a 4th LB rather than a starting one.

 

Rivera Disagrees.

 

 

 

Though the Bears have been widely criticized for not double-covering Smith, Rivera revealed that two and sometimes even three defenders were assigned to the dynamic receiver. That was the case when Smith beat Tillman on Carolina's second play from scrimmage.

 

"What we tried to do in that particular instance was we tried to keep Charles on top and force the ball to be thrown underneath so Charles could make the play on that," Rivera said in response to a fan's question.

 

"What we didn't want was for Charles to 'squat' and have (Smith) run by him. That was not part of the plan. We didn't expect Charles to slip and fall. But I wouldn't change a thing and I'm not going to second-guess myself."

 

Personally, I think Tillman's a pretty good corner. He does have trouble with the speedy guys and heasn't done as well since the contact rules were inforced. There are a lot of good Corners in this draft so I am down with taking one in the first or second round. Azumah might retire and we need a good replacement.

[rjchapma]

I thought Tillman was a good reciever to until I saw him play good WR and get burnt every single time. Believe me he's aight and he'd be a good number 3, but i think we need a veteren corner with vasher playing the number 2 receiver.

[Jon]

Though the Bears have been widely criticized for not double-covering Smith, Rivera revealed that two and sometimes even three defenders were assigned to the dynamic receiver. That was the case when Smith beat Tillman on Carolina's second play from scrimmage.

 

"What we tried to do in that particular instance was we tried to keep Charles on top and force the ball to be thrown underneath so Charles could make the play on that," Rivera said in response to a fan's question.

 

"What we didn't want was for Charles to 'squat' and have (Smith) run by him. That was not part of the plan. We didn't expect Charles to slip and fall. But I wouldn't change a thing and I'm not going to second-guess myself."

That doesn't account for the other handful of times it happened, though.

[goonys evil twin]

I thought Tillman was a good reciever to until I saw him play good WR and get burnt every single time. Believe me he's aight and he'd be a good number 3, but i think we need a veteren corner with vasher playing the number 2 receiver.

 

Why a veteran? I just want a good corner. The best aren't going to be available in free agency. Most of these guys are either past their prime, and/or have similar problems as the Bears guys. I'd love to get a good young corner out of the draft. It's a young man's position anyway, like RB.

[Chocolate Milk]

Though the Bears have been widely criticized for not double-covering Smith, Rivera revealed that two and sometimes even three defenders were assigned to the dynamic receiver. That was the case when Smith beat Tillman on Carolina's second play from scrimmage.

 

"What we tried to do in that particular instance was we tried to keep Charles on top and force the ball to be thrown underneath so Charles could make the play on that," Rivera said in response to a fan's question.

 

"What we didn't want was for Charles to 'squat' and have (Smith) run by him. That was not part of the plan. We didn't expect Charles to slip and fall. But I wouldn't change a thing and I'm not going to second-guess myself."

That doesn't account for the other handful of times it happened, though.

 

On both TD's by Smith the CB fell down. It's pretty hard to scheme for that. Also, I beleive that Tillman had the pick on the other long play, but Harris knocked him and he lost it.

 

I'm not saying Rivera should be without blame, but it's pretty hard to scheme for the things that happened. If Rivera truely had planned for Smith to be doubled most of the time, that is.

 

Tillman is good enough that if he wasn't replaced, I wouldn't be worried going into next season. Saftey may be the better position for him when all is said and done but the Bears secondary was excellent last year and Tillman was the #1 CB. He can't be as bad as everyone is making him out to be.

 

He is also an excellent tackler.

Edited March 6, 2006 by Chocolate Milk

[goonys evil twin]

Does sheme stand for shame or scheme.

[Chocolate Milk]

Does sheme stand for shame or scheme.

 

Fixed.

[UK1679666180]

I still think Tillman did fine last year, he had a bad game vs. Carolina and like almost every other DB in the game, he isn't good enough to cover Smith one on one.

 

I still blame Rivera more than Tillman for Smith smacking around the Bears.

 

They do need a better 3rd DB not that Azumah has proven that the hip injury was worse than everyone hoped for.

 

But, I do think getting a 3rd DB is more important than replacing Hillenmeyer, who is more of a 4th LB rather than a starting one.

 

Rivera Disagrees.

 

 

 

Though the Bears have been widely criticized for not double-covering Smith, Rivera revealed that two and sometimes even three defenders were assigned to the dynamic receiver. That was the case when Smith beat Tillman on Carolina's second play from scrimmage.

 

"What we tried to do in that particular instance was we tried to keep Charles on top and force the ball to be thrown underneath so Charles could make the play on that," Rivera said in response to a fan's question.

 

"What we didn't want was for Charles to 'squat' and have (Smith) run by him. That was not part of the plan. We didn't expect Charles to slip and fall. But I wouldn't change a thing and I'm not going to second-guess myself."

 

Personally, I think Tillman's a pretty good corner. He does have trouble with the speedy guys and heasn't done as well since the contact rules were inforced. There are a lot of good Corners in this draft so I am down with taking one in the first or second round. Azumah might retire and we need a good replacement.

 

I didn't see any double team, they were in the typical Cover 2. There was a clear difference between how Seattle handled Smith and how the Bears did.

[Magnetic Curses]

I thought Tillman was a good reciever to until I saw him play good WR and get burnt every single time. Believe me he's aight and he'd be a good number 3, but i think we need a veteren corner with vasher playing the number 2 receiver.

 

Why a veteran? I just want a good corner. The best aren't going to be available in free agency. Most of these guys are either past their prime, and/or have similar problems as the Bears guys. I'd love to get a good young corner out of the draft. It's a young man's position anyway, like RB.

 

a corner that we get at our pick will probably have to be developed, i'm still a little gun-shy from the walt harris draft.

 

i want a plug-and-play CB.

[goonys evil twin]

a corner that we get at our pick will probably have to be developed, i'm still a little gun-shy from the walt harris draft.

 

i want a plug-and-play CB.

 

The Bears have gotten good CB much later than where they are now. A "plug and play" CB isn't going to be any better than what they have now.

[Chocolate Milk]

I still think Tillman did fine last year, he had a bad game vs. Carolina and like almost every other DB in the game, he isn't good enough to cover Smith one on one.

 

I still blame Rivera more than Tillman for Smith smacking around the Bears.

 

They do need a better 3rd DB not that Azumah has proven that the hip injury was worse than everyone hoped for.

 

But, I do think getting a 3rd DB is more important than replacing Hillenmeyer, who is more of a 4th LB rather than a starting one.

 

Rivera Disagrees.

 

 

 

Though the Bears have been widely criticized for not double-covering Smith, Rivera revealed that two and sometimes even three defenders were assigned to the dynamic receiver. That was the case when Smith beat Tillman on Carolina's second play from scrimmage.

 

"What we tried to do in that particular instance was we tried to keep Charles on top and force the ball to be thrown underneath so Charles could make the play on that," Rivera said in response to a fan's question.

 

"What we didn't want was for Charles to 'squat' and have (Smith) run by him. That was not part of the plan. We didn't expect Charles to slip and fall. But I wouldn't change a thing and I'm not going to second-guess myself."

 

Personally, I think Tillman's a pretty good corner. He does have trouble with the speedy guys and heasn't done as well since the contact rules were inforced. There are a lot of good Corners in this draft so I am down with taking one in the first or second round. Azumah might retire and we need a good replacement.

 

I didn't see any double team, they were in the typical Cover 2. There was a clear difference between how Seattle handled Smith and how the Bears did.

 

Rivera's explanation is reasonable. You may not have seen the double team because when Tillman fell down, Smith changed the route and went deep.

 

You can see Tillman peaking into the backfield on that play and he fell down. It was a particualrly bad play by Tillman against one of the league's best. Not much Rivera can do about that.

 

I'm not saying this is surely the case, but I am giving Rivera the benefit of the doubt. Considering we lost Brown on that play and Thompson was on the field for the other TD, I can't put all the blame on Rivera for Smith's explosion. I think he diserves some blame for the substituions, which were confusing and awful.

[Magnetic Curses]

a corner that we get at our pick will probably have to be developed, i'm still a little gun-shy from the walt harris draft.

 

i want a plug-and-play CB.

 

The Bears have gotten good CB much later than where they are now. A "plug and play" CB isn't going to be any better than what they have now.

 

if the best we can do is johnathan joseph, i'd rather take pope or lewis.

[Chocolate Milk]

a corner that we get at our pick will probably have to be developed, i'm still a little gun-shy from the walt harris draft.

 

i want a plug-and-play CB.

 

The Bears have gotten good CB much later than where they are now. A "plug and play" CB isn't going to be any better than what they have now.

 

I can't find the quote, but I think that Angelo said recently that he has always found CB's in the draft and he thinks that is the best place to find them them. In light of that, I don't think we'll be signing any FA CB's.