Kaplan: Cubs 'Trying Hard' for Tejada, won't budge on Pie

[goonys evil twin]

 

I've never been a big Prior fan gooney....never. I think he is going to be a good pitcher but I've never thought he was the second coming so please don't include me in a group that turns on players.

 

I don't believe I have a "Whipping Boy" thing as you have mentioned. I feel less passionate about certain players but never have I had a "Whipping Boy" Unless you consider Macias an actual baseball player of course.

 

I've never heard you say anything like this about Prior before, or at least I don't remember it.

 

Sorry, I'm just writing about what I'm seeing here, and I have to include your "he's a quitter" commentary into the piling on Prior phenomenon that has been going on here ever since his name was rumored. It seems to me that Andy and Co. have just perfected the "run him out of town" strategy by getting fans to start believing the bogus reports on these guys.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Do we assume Patterson is in this proposed deal, since he's rumored there anyways? I'd really like to know what package the Orioles want Pie added to.

[brinoch]

Unless the deal is ridiculously biased in favor of the Cubs, I do not want to see Prior dealt. I have to disagree with you, Cuse (as well as others who don't see his value)... I think Prior is the real deal and is an Ace, with a capital A. I'm higher on his future than I am with Carlos.

[CuseCubFan69]

 

I've never been a big Prior fan gooney....never. I think he is going to be a good pitcher but I've never thought he was the second coming so please don't include me in a group that turns on players.

 

I don't believe I have a "Whipping Boy" thing as you have mentioned. I feel less passionate about certain players but never have I had a "Whipping Boy" Unless you consider Macias an actual baseball player of course.

 

I've never heard you say anything like this about Prior before, or at least I don't remember it.

 

Sorry, I'm just writing about what I'm seeing here, and I have to include your "he's a quitter" commentary into the piling on Prior phenomenon that has been going on here ever since his name was rumored. It seems to me that Andy and Co. have just perfected the "run him out of town" strategy by getting fans to start believing the bogus reports on these guys.

 

I haven't wrote anything about the quitting thing about Prior and yeah, it's a feeling thing and I may be wrong. I see a lot of young pitchers that have a lot of success and when they do get their butts handed to them they don't react well in a lot of cases. They get used to being dominate and what I like to see is that competitive fire and you're not going to get the best of me attitude. It's something I have to look at as a High School coach and it's part of knowing the person pitching. Granted, I do not know Prior in any way other than what we see but I believe that I can recognize certain aspects of a pitchers motions because I have to do that all the time. I don't like the "It's just not my day" type thinking and it isn't just mechanics that break down. Again it's just my opinion and this is part of the reason I've always been receptive on trading Prior.

 

I have always been open about trading him if the deal helps the Cubs. I don't want him run out of town in any way shape or form as I don't want Patterson to be run out either even though IMO he is.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'm going to agree with BBB here.

 

Considering Philly was looking for a top starter fpr Abreu, they could be the best option if we were inclined to trade Prior. My guess is you could get a top pitching prospect in return as well. Can Gavin Floyd be as good as Bedard? I know he's had his struggles, but I think we could probably get him in a deal.

 

If my choices are Prior + Hill + Pie for Tejada and Bedard or Prior + Wellemeyer (or similar player) for Abreu and Floyd, I'd probably take the deal with the Phillies.

[CuseCubFan69]

Unless the deal is ridiculously biased in favor of the Cubs, I do not want to see Prior dealt. I have to disagree with you, Cuse (as well as others who don't see his value)... I think Prior is the real deal and is an Ace, with a capital A. I'm higher on his future than I am with Carlos.

 

So if the Marlins were to ask you to trade either Prior or Z for Cabrera you would trade Z? I'd trade Prior.

[Mizzou]

Cmon Hendry, you have to give up talent to get talent. If Baltimore wants Pie (along with a package of lesser players... not Prior) then let them have him!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Unless the deal is ridiculously biased in favor of the Cubs, I do not want to see Prior dealt. I have to disagree with you, Cuse (as well as others who don't see his value)... I think Prior is the real deal and is an Ace, with a capital A. I'm higher on his future than I am with Carlos.

 

So if the Marlins were to ask you to trade either Prior or Z for Cabrera you would trade Z? I'd trade Prior.

 

I'd tell 'em to "shut it"...

[nick23]

Unless the deal is ridiculously biased in favor of the Cubs, I do not want to see Prior dealt. I have to disagree with you, Cuse (as well as others who don't see his value)... I think Prior is the real deal and is an Ace, with a capital A. I'm higher on his future than I am with Carlos.

 

So if the Marlins were to ask you to trade either Prior or Z for Cabrera you would trade Z? I'd trade Prior.

 

I'd tell 'em to "shut it"...

I'd tell them to take their pick.

[craig]

Cmon Hendry, you have to give up talent to get talent. If Baltimore wants Pie (along with a package of lesser players... not Prior) then let them have him!

 

Who knows what's really going on. But my impression is that Hendry offered Prior for Tejada/Bedard long ago, but Baltimore demanded more.

 

Rumor had it that Hendry upped it to Prior/Hill for Tejada/Bedard, but Baltimore said no.

 

Would seem reasonable that Baltimore wants either wants Pie in addition to Prior/Hill, or in place of Hill but still in addition to Prior.

 

Tejada/Bedard for Prior/Pie? No thanks.

 

Some will pile on Hendry for even considering any Prior deal, others will pile on for not being willing to trade Prior/Pie for Tejada/Bedard. But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

[goonys evil twin]

But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

 

I for two.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Pie is a very nice prospect but not an elite one - I read BA will rank him somewhere in the top 30-50 MLB prospects. There is no way he would be the centerpiece for Tejada, the O's could do much better. I'm sure it's more of a Prior + Hill + Pie for Tejada + Bedard type deal Kaplan is refering to. Trading Tejada for just prospects just runs counter to everything the O's have stated. Edited January 6, 2006 by CardsFanInChiTown

[Chris]

But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

 

I for two.

 

Me for three.

[JeffH]

But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

 

I for two.

 

Me for three.

 

Four.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

 

I for two.

 

Me for three.

 

Four.

 

Fif! Fif!

[Backtobanks]

It just doesn't make any sense for Hendry to sign Jones for three years, say he wants to keep Pierre long-term, and then refuse to trade Pie away.

 

Then again, it's Hendry.

 

Hendry had to match contract offers for Jones (3 years) to get him. If Pie is ready next year, Jones will be traded. There should be a few teams that want him at $10 million over 2 years since he had better offers than that this year.

[goonys evil twin]

Trading Tejada for just prospects just runs counter to everything the O's have stated.

 

But would still be the smartest thing they could do.

[goonys evil twin]

It just doesn't make any sense for Hendry to sign Jones for three years, say he wants to keep Pierre long-term, and then refuse to trade Pie away.

 

Then again, it's Hendry.

 

Hendry had to match contract offers for Jones (3 years) to get him. If Pie is ready next year, Jones will be traded. There should be a few teams that want him at $10 million over 2 years since he had better offers than that this year.

 

But would a team really risk losing Jones after 1 year since he could demand a trade or free agency if traded?

 

 

But seriously, I think Jones is exactly the type of player Hendry wants, and he gave him that 3 year deal because he wants him here for 3 years.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Trading Tejada for just prospects just runs counter to everything the O's have stated.

 

But would still be the smartest thing they could do.

 

Actually trading for Prior would :wink:

[CuseCubFan69]

Cmon Hendry, you have to give up talent to get talent. If Baltimore wants Pie (along with a package of lesser players... not Prior) then let them have him!

 

Who knows what's really going on. But my impression is that Hendry offered Prior for Tejada/Bedard long ago, but Baltimore demanded more.

 

Rumor had it that Hendry upped it to Prior/Hill for Tejada/Bedard, but Baltimore said no.

 

Would seem reasonable that Baltimore wants either wants Pie in addition to Prior/Hill, or in place of Hill but still in addition to Prior.

 

Tejada/Bedard for Prior/Pie? No thanks.

 

Some will pile on Hendry for even considering any Prior deal, others will pile on for not being willing to trade Prior/Pie for Tejada/Bedard. But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

 

I agree and a big no to that trade.

[CuseCubFan69]

It just doesn't make any sense for Hendry to sign Jones for three years, say he wants to keep Pierre long-term, and then refuse to trade Pie away.

 

Then again, it's Hendry.

 

Hendry had to match contract offers for Jones (3 years) to get him. If Pie is ready next year, Jones will be traded. There should be a few teams that want him at $10 million over 2 years since he had better offers than that this year.

 

But would a team really risk losing Jones after 1 year since he could demand a trade or free agency if traded?

 

 

But seriously, I think Jones is exactly the type of player Hendry wants, and he gave him that 3 year deal because he wants him here for 3 years.

 

I really hope you're wrong because if you're not I hope Mr. Hendry finds work elsewhere.

[goonys evil twin]

Trading Tejada for just prospects just runs counter to everything the O's have stated.

 

But would still be the smartest thing they could do.

 

Actually trading for Prior would :wink:

 

I don't know about that. Trading for Prior would be great if they could keep him for a very long time. But I could easily see Prior walking away from there, as their owner has not shown a willingness to go top dollar on prime guys, or pitchers for that matter. And, in 2006, the O's plus Prior and minus Tejada still aren't any good. That's probably still true in 2007. So they would most likely have to build a solid team around Prior by 2008 to get any value out of the deal (and have less money to pay for it since Prior would be making a heck of a lot more than all the prospects they would get).

 

The smartest thing would be to somehow get Prior and a few prospects for Tejada, but I don't like to think of that possibility.

[CubFanPhilly]

 

Would seem reasonable that Baltimore wants either wants Pie in addition to Prior/Hill, or in place of Hill but still in addition to Prior.

 

Tejada/Bedard for Prior/Pie? No thanks.

 

Some will pile on Hendry for even considering any Prior deal, others will pile on for not being willing to trade Prior/Pie for Tejada/Bedard. But I for one have zero interest in packaging Prior and Pie for Tejada and Bedard.

 

That's certainly plausible (and I'd be against trading Pie and Prior too), but isn't it also possible that Prior and Bedard have been subtracted from the deal and they're now hashing out the prospects?

 

I know the word was that Baltimore wanted a marquee name in return, but maybe they've recognized (as Gooney and others have pointed out) that they'd be much better off in the long run dealing for three or four premium prospects.

 

Somthing like: Pie + Murton + Hill + Patterson + Dopirak for Tejada?

 

That saves the Orioles serious money and should return at least two capable major league players. It wouldn't be a no-brainer for Hendry either IMO.

[Guest]

Trading Tejada for just prospects just runs counter to everything the O's have stated.

 

But would still be the smartest thing they could do.

Yep, and that's probably Tejada's point when he says he'd like to be traded. The O's aren't going to be doing much in the near-term with Boston and New York engaged in payroll Armageddon and Toronto snapping up every FA on the market. It pretty much looks like the only point to Baltimore playing out the 2006 season is to try and avoid the humiliation of finishing behind the Devil Rays. Trading for Prior may help keep them out of the cellar for the next few years, but he'll be a FA by the time they'll have a decent shot at the playoffs again.

 

No way I'd even consider a Prior+Pie+Hill for Tejada+Bedard deal if I was Hendry. I'll go ahead and parrot what others have said and say that I don't deal Prior unless I'm absolutely blown away by what I'm getting in return. If we're dealing with Baltimore, Tejada and Bedard don't do it for me. I just don't see much additional value in a 27 year old pitcher who has only thrown a season and a half's worth of (extremely mediocre) MLB innings.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Somthing like: Pie + Murton + Hill + Patterson + Dopirak for Tejada?

 

Too steep unless the O's include Markakis.