Phil Rogers on Corey Patterson

[HoopsCubs]

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In today's Chicago Tribune, Phil Rogers makes some Corey references in his Sunday column:

 

(1) "He could get one last chance--as a right fielder, hitting low in the order with a green light to swing for the fences. It's not a bad option, really. It's definitely better than giving someone like Jacque Jones a two- or three-year contract."

 

(2) "Texas has been in touch with at least five teams (the Cubs, Dodgers, Padres, Orioles and Blue Jays) about their outfield surplus, which grew when Brad Wilkerson was added in the Alfonso Soriano trade to Washington. The Rangers might swap Wilkerson or Kevin Mench for Patterson, hoping that highly respected hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo can get through to him."

[rawaction]

Please trade Wilkerson to the Cubs for Patterson, Texas. We will even throw in 2 pitching prospects of your choice.

[CuseCubFan69]

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In today's Chicago Tribune, Phil Rogers makes some Corey references in his Sunday column:

 

(1) "He could get one last chance--as a right fielder, hitting low in the order with a green light to swing for the fences. It's not a bad option, really. It's definitely better than giving someone like Jacque Jones a two- or three-year contract."

 

(2) "Texas has been in touch with at least five teams (the Cubs, Dodgers, Padres, Orioles and Blue Jays) about their outfield surplus, which grew when Brad Wilkerson was added in the Alfonso Soriano trade to Washington. The Rangers might swap Wilkerson or Kevin Mench for Patterson, hoping that highly respected hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo can get through to him."

 

Yeah, that's a good idea. Personally I think Patterson is best when he's just allowed to hit and trying to be a lead off hitter or a Homerun hitters is just plain wrong.

[CuseCubFan69]

Please trade Wilkerson to the Cubs for Patterson, Texas. We will even throw in 2 pitching prospects of your choice.

 

Honestly....any 2 prospects?

[Badtz]

If the Rangers have a surplus of outfielders, why would they trade one away for another outfielder in Corey Patterson?

[HoopsCubs]

If the Rangers have a surplus of outfielders, why would they trade one away for another outfielder in Corey Patterson?

 

You figure the Cubs would have to include a pitcher in the deal.

[rawaction]

Please trade Wilkerson to the Cubs for Patterson, Texas. We will even throw in 2 pitching prospects of your choice.

 

Honestly....any 2 prospects?

 

no, not really.

[Gunned]

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In today's Chicago Tribune, Phil Rogers makes some Corey references in his Sunday column:

 

(1) "He could get one last chance--as a right fielder, hitting low in the order with a green light to swing for the fences. It's not a bad option, really. It's definitely better than giving someone like Jacque Jones a two- or three-year contract."

 

(2) "Texas has been in touch with at least five teams (the Cubs, Dodgers, Padres, Orioles and Blue Jays) about their outfield surplus, which grew when Brad Wilkerson was added in the Alfonso Soriano trade to Washington. The Rangers might swap Wilkerson or Kevin Mench for Patterson, hoping that highly respected hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo can get through to him."

 

Yeah, that's a good idea. Personally I think Patterson is best when he's just allowed to hit and trying to be a lead off hitter or a Homerun hitters is just plain wrong.

 

I think Patterson is best when he's running in a straight line and doesn't have to apply actual baseball skills.

[CubbieSouthpaw]

Guys, I hope your right about Wilkerson. If he is who the Cubs get.

Ive looked up his #'s and I'm still not sold on him for right field.

Mench either as far as that goes.

 

I Just a bad feeling about him.

[Jehrico]

I'll be happy (that is happy, not thrilled or overecstatic) if our outfield going into next year is BWilk, JuanP, and Murton. Todd Walker is still on the team. I'm hoping somehow he doesn't get traded and RonnyC starts at SS. That would be a decent lineup going into next year. Definitely good enough to make the postseason if our starting pitching is, for the most part, healthy next year.

[UK1679666180]

Corey needs to take BP with a batting glove under his front armpit and watch pitchers from the delivery to hitting the catcher's glove.

 

If Wilkerson is avail., I'd hope the Cubs would at least inquire about him. I still think Texas would trade Mench before Wilkerson.

[HoopsCubs]

I'll be happy (that is happy, not thrilled or overecstatic) if our outfield going into next year is BWilk, JuanP, and Murton. Todd Walker is still on the team. I'm hoping somehow he doesn't get traded and RonnyC starts at SS. That would be a decent lineup going into next year. Definitely good enough to make the postseason if our starting pitching is, for the most part, healthy next year.

 

I think someone mentioned it already, but you have to figure Texas is more likely to deal Mench than Wilkerson. I'm not sure what Mench would cost - personally I'd rather keep Corey in RF, let him bat 7th and try to build up his value than play Mench.

 

As for Wilkerson, I would think the Rangers would have asked for Jerome Williams and Rich Hill.

[Blueheart05]

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In today's Chicago Tribune, Phil Rogers makes some Corey references in his Sunday column:

 

(1) "He could get one last chance--as a right fielder, hitting low in the order with a green light to swing for the fences. It's not a bad option, really. It's definitely better than giving someone like Jacque Jones a two- or three-year contract."

 

(2) "Texas has been in touch with at least five teams (the Cubs, Dodgers, Padres, Orioles and Blue Jays) about their outfield surplus, which grew when Brad Wilkerson was added in the Alfonso Soriano trade to Washington. The Rangers might swap Wilkerson or Kevin Mench for Patterson, hoping that highly respected hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo can get through to him."

 

 

I wonder about the validity of option 2 in reference to Mench for Patterson. There have been reports that the Rangers already turned down a trade of Patterson for Mench because they expected a top of the rotation pitcher in return. It seems like a long way to drop in the negotiating process for the Rangers.

 

 

 

Even the Texas Rangers are shooting high in what they're seeking for Kevin Mench. They told the Cubs they would need a No. 2 starter, at least, to give him up, even though the Rangers have a surplus of outfielders as they continue their endless pursuit of pitching....if the Rangers lower their expectations and take pitcher Jerome Williams and Patterson in exchange for Mench, the Cubs might be willing to make a deal.

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If the only choices are Patterson or Jones in RF (which I don't believe is the case) then I agree with keeping Corey. However, the Cubs also have a surplus of talent and money that can be used to make a trade. If in fact the Rangers, Mariners, or Team X have lowered their demands it would behoove the Cubs to make a trade for a more dependable RF bat (preferably with a strong throwing arm).

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Even the Texas Rangers are shooting high in what they're seeking for Kevin Mench. They told the Cubs they would need a No. 2 starter, at least, to give him up, even though the Rangers have a surplus of outfielders as they continue their endless pursuit of pitching....if the Rangers lower their expectations and take pitcher Jerome Williams and Patterson in exchange for Mench, the Cubs might be willing to make a deal.

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If the only choices are Patterson or Jones in RF (which I don't believe is the case) then I agree with keeping Corey. However, the Cubs also have a surplus of talent and money that can be used to make a trade. If in fact the Rangers, Mariners, or Team X have lowered their demands it would behoove the Cubs to make a trade for a more dependable RF bat (preferably with a strong throwing arm).

I'm not sure the Cubs could be said to have a surplus of talent at this point. Our only strength to trade from was our stable of young, near-ready arms, and Hendry already tossed most of them at Pierre. We're pretty much left with Guzman, Hill, and Williams at this point, and we'll want at least one, probably two of them around to fill out the rotation in case of injuries and such. In short, I just don't see the Cubs as being in a good position to make a major (and much-needed) upgrade to RF.

 

That upgrade wouldn't be Mench, either. As far as the Rangers' asking price is concerned, they can keep dreaming. Averge-below average coner outfielders aren't exactly rare commodities. When teams are balking at giving up front of the rotation starters for the likes of Abreu, Manny, and Tejada, I seriously doubt that the Rangers are going to unload Mench for anything remotely as useful.

[Blueheart05]

Even the Texas Rangers are shooting high in what they're seeking for Kevin Mench. They told the Cubs they would need a No. 2 starter, at least, to give him up, even though the Rangers have a surplus of outfielders as they continue their endless pursuit of pitching....if the Rangers lower their expectations and take pitcher Jerome Williams and Patterson in exchange for Mench, the Cubs might be willing to make a deal.

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If the only choices are Patterson or Jones in RF (which I don't believe is the case) then I agree with keeping Corey. However, the Cubs also have a surplus of talent and money that can be used to make a trade. If in fact the Rangers, Mariners, or Team X have lowered their demands it would behoove the Cubs to make a trade for a more dependable RF bat (preferably with a strong throwing arm).

I'm not sure the Cubs could be said to have a surplus of talent at this point. Our only strength to trade from was our stable of young, near-ready arms, and Hendry already tossed most of them at Pierre. We're pretty much left with Guzman, Hill, and Williams at this point, and we'll want at least one, probably two of them around to fill out the rotation in case of injuries and such. In short, I just don't see the Cubs as being in a good position to make a major (and much-needed) upgrade to RF.

 

That upgrade wouldn't be Mench, either. As far as the Rangers' asking price is concerned, they can keep dreaming. Averge-below average coner outfielders aren't exactly rare commodities. When teams are balking at giving up front of the rotation starters for the likes of Abreu, Manny, and Tejada, I seriously doubt that the Rangers are going to unload Mench for anything remotely as useful.

 

The surplus I was referring to includes the names you mentioned plus Walker, Patterson, Novoa, Wellymeyer, et al. I still believe Walker will be traded so I expect he will be included in an upcoming deal.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

 

Just let Wilson play right. No need for a platoon if he's going to outproduce the partner.

[UK1679666180]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

 

Just let Wilson play right. No need for a platoon if he's going to outproduce the partner.

 

Or sign the habitual stop-gap (Sanders).

 

At this stage, both Gibbons and Wilson are scheduled to start in RF for both clubs.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

 

Just let Wilson play right. No need for a platoon if he's going to outproduce the partner.

 

Or sign the habitual stop-gap (Sanders).

 

At this stage, both Gibbons and Wilson are scheduled to start in RF for both clubs.

 

If the Cubs really did talk to Baltimore about Tejada would it be possible that they could swing a "Minor" deal involving Gibbons?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

 

Just let Wilson play right. No need for a platoon if he's going to outproduce the partner.

 

Or sign the habitual stop-gap (Sanders).

 

At this stage, both Gibbons and Wilson are scheduled to start in RF for both clubs.

 

Tracy doesn't like Wilson though, he doesn't fit into Tracyball. He probably won't get non-tendered, but I'd be surprised if he wasn't available, or even being shopped.

[ChiCubsFan]

Wow, I think Wilson would actually be a solid option. I thought 2004 was his only good year until I looked up his stats and discovered he was even better than 2004 in 2001 and 2003 and he wasn't too bad in 2002 or 2005 either. I don't think he'd be a bad option at all for a stopgap in RF until we can get an impact FA RF or trade for a real impact bat.

[UK1679666180]

If they're talking with Balt., they should end talks about Tejada and go for the player who's one year away from FA and stick him in the OF.

 

That's Mora.

 

As far as Tracy and Wilson, it's not his style, but unless they find someone on the non-tendered list better, I can't see them not using him as their starting RF'er.

[ChiCubsFan]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

 

Just let Wilson play right. No need for a platoon if he's going to outproduce the partner.

 

Or sign the habitual stop-gap (Sanders).

 

At this stage, both Gibbons and Wilson are scheduled to start in RF for both clubs.

 

If the Cubs really did talk to Baltimore about Tejada would it be possible that they could swing a "Minor" deal involving Gibbons?

 

I don't understand why anyone would want Gibbons. He's got some power but not enough in my eyes to make up for that career .315 OBP.

[UK1679666180]

I don't understand why anyone would want Gibbons. He's got some power but not enough in my eyes to make up for that career .315 OBP.

 

Agreed, he might be a marginal improvement over the J. Jones/P. Wilson's of the FA market, but not someone to pursue beyond a last resort scenario.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'd try to see how cheaply Wilson could be acquired from Pittsburgh and hvae a Wilson/Patterson platoon in right.

 

Just let Wilson play right. No need for a platoon if he's going to outproduce the partner.

 

Or sign the habitual stop-gap (Sanders).

 

At this stage, both Gibbons and Wilson are scheduled to start in RF for both clubs.

 

If the Cubs really did talk to Baltimore about Tejada would it be possible that they could swing a "Minor" deal involving Gibbons?

 

I don't understand why anyone would want Gibbons. He's got some power but not enough in my eyes to make up for that career .315 OBP.

 

I thought he was better than that? Does he hit righties well because I'd just want him as a platoon guy.