New News on Tejada Thread

[BigbadB]

Who are the others? Marmol? Johnson? Petrick or Blasko? You're trading from the depth for sure, but you're completely eliminating it. Tejada isn't worth that, plus the issue of still needing a RF, and now a SP with significantly fewer trading chips, and 12 million fewer dollars.

 

I think you grossly undervalue Tejada. And completely ignore the situation the Cubs face. They are getting a crap RF regardless. It's either Jones/Encarnacion/Wilson + Tejada, or one of those guys without Tejada. If they can get Abreu, great. But I don't see them getting anybody of value for RF. And I don't see them getting any better player via trade with these guys in the future.

 

Don't they have a crap payroll somewhere on their roster we can take off their hands to eliminate one of those prospects from the deal?

 

I really don't want to see Guzman go.

[goonys evil twin]

I hope I'm wrong, but the Cub fan in me sees Pie = Nic Jackson.

 

Looking at these numbers, what did we ever see in Nic? He was a 3rd round draft pick in 2000, put up weak numbers that year in Eugene. Didn't play in 2001 (is that right?). In 2002 (22) he was okay in AA in very limited duty and stunk in 2003. Felix put up far better numbers in AA at 20. And has the benefit of being a CF, while Nic was a corner OF.

[goonys evil twin]

Don't they have a crap payroll somewhere on their roster we can take off their hands to eliminate one of those prospects from the deal?

 

I really don't want to see Guzman go.

 

Ponson or Javy? They did void Ponson's deal, but with the MLBPA, you never know what kind of fight they'll put up. I don't see a fit, unless the Cubs move either to a 3rd team, and only take on some salary. Would Atlanta want Javy back?

[abuck1220]

tejada's probably overrated, but the cubs are at the point where they would almost have to do this given the fact that it seems like it's going to be a jacque-tastic summer at wrigley.

 

jones-pierre-cedeno isn't going to cut it.

jones-pierre-tejada may.

[abuck1220]

Don't they have a crap payroll somewhere on their roster we can take off their hands to eliminate one of those prospects from the deal?

 

I really don't want to see Guzman go.

 

Ponson or Javy? They did void Ponson's deal, but with the MLBPA, you never know what kind of fight they'll put up. I don't see a fit, unless the Cubs move either to a 3rd team, and only take on some salary. Would Atlanta want Javy back?

 

i think they're happy w/ mccann.

[Neuby]

I can't see us shipping them five players and one of them not being Wuertz/Nova with the vaule relivers are given in todays game.

 

Wuertz/Nova

Williams

Patterson

Hill

 

 

Maybe we work out a deal to get Julio for the pen for them more salary relief and gets them some younger relivers.

 

If the Cubs can get Miggy and a decent bat for Field, along with Washburn or Weaver I would be pretty happy with the Cubs offseason.

[CubinNY]

I would love Tejada. I mean kiss Jim Hendry on the mouth love. But all I can think of is the Hershal Walker trade.

 

I wish it weren't for such price.

 

I would do

 

Dope + Williams + Cedeno + Novoa

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Who are the others? Marmol? Johnson? Petrick or Blasko? You're trading from the depth for sure, but you're completely eliminating it. Tejada isn't worth that, plus the issue of still needing a RF, and now a SP with significantly fewer trading chips, and 12 million fewer dollars.

 

I think you grossly undervalue Tejada. And completely ignore the situation the Cubs face. They are getting a crap RF regardless. It's either Jones/Encarnacion/Wilson + Tejada, or one of those guys without Tejada. If they can get Abreu, great. But I don't see them getting anybody of value for RF. And I don't see them getting any better player via trade with these guys in the future.

 

How can you say they are getting a crap RF for sure on December 13?

 

How much would you give up for Cliff Floyd? He's likely going to outproduce Tejada with similar defense at a much cheaper cost(years, dollars, and players) at a position without a cheap alternative. On the other hand, he's 3.5 years older and plays a less scarce position. If we're giving up this much just so that we avoid the worst case scenario for this year, why not give up less to get more production for '06?

[Neuby]

Who are the others? Marmol? Johnson? Petrick or Blasko? You're trading from the depth for sure, but you're completely eliminating it. Tejada isn't worth that, plus the issue of still needing a RF, and now a SP with significantly fewer trading chips, and 12 million fewer dollars.

 

I think you grossly undervalue Tejada. And completely ignore the situation the Cubs face. They are getting a crap RF regardless. It's either Jones/Encarnacion/Wilson + Tejada, or one of those guys without Tejada. If they can get Abreu, great. But I don't see them getting anybody of value for RF. And I don't see them getting any better player via trade with these guys in the future.

 

How can you say they are getting a crap RF for sure on December 13?

 

How much would you give up for Cliff Floyd? He's likely going to outproduce Tejada with similar defense at a much cheaper cost(years, dollars, and players) at a position without a cheap alternative. On the other hand, he's 3.5 years older and plays a less scarce position. If we're giving up this much just so that we avoid the worst case scenario for this year, why not give up less to get more production for '06?

 

If I was to make a bet I would say where likely to to get a crap right fielder since Bradley has been dealt, Cincy doesn't seem to be looking to move any of it's outfielders, Abreau isn't likely to be dealt at this point, Huff will cost a fortune because of Tampa's Gm. Who's left?

The right fielders that are still out there we can get plus Miggy.

 

Pierre

Walker (dreaming he stays)

Lee

Miggy

Ramirez

Wilson

Murton

Barett

 

I could live with Preston Wilson hitting sixth . He'll mash 30 home runs strike out a ton, play an above right field, Strong arm, steal 15 bases. The only thing that lineup lacks is balance.

 

add Washburn or Weaver to his team and we could make a serious run at the cards next year.

[Ram1380]

I'm still holding out hope Hendry can pry Wilkerson away from the Rangers before he officially unpacks his bags.

 

 

Walker+Wuertz+(one of the few pieces remaining from possible tejada deal)

[NCCubFan]

I hope I'm wrong, but the Cub fan in me sees Pie = Nic Jackson.

 

Looking at these numbers, what did we ever see in Nic? He was a 3rd round draft pick in 2000, put up weak numbers that year in Eugene. Didn't play in 2001 (is that right?). In 2002 (22) he was okay in AA in very limited duty and stunk in 2003. Felix put up far better numbers in AA at 20. And has the benefit of being a CF, while Nic was a corner OF.

Your source is not correct, because it omitted 2001, which is the season that established him as a top prospect. I looked him up in one of my Baseball America Prospect Handbooks, and in 2001 he played for Daytona. In 503 ABs he hit .296 with 19 HRs, 85 RBIs, 24 SBs, 96 Ks, and 39 BBs. It looked like he had the combination of hitting for average and power and stealing bases; that's why everybody was so high on him. Omitting that season gives an entirely different picture.

[Ram1380]

I hope I'm wrong, but the Cub fan in me sees Pie = Nic Jackson.

 

Looking at these numbers, what did we ever see in Nic? He was a 3rd round draft pick in 2000, put up weak numbers that year in Eugene. Didn't play in 2001 (is that right?). In 2002 (22) he was okay in AA in very limited duty and stunk in 2003. Felix put up far better numbers in AA at 20. And has the benefit of being a CF, while Nic was a corner OF.

Your source is not correct, because it omitted 2001, which is the season that established him as a top prospect. I looked him up in one of my Baseball America Prospect Handbooks, and in 2001 he played for Daytona. In 503 ABs he hit .296 with 19 HRs, 85 RBIs, 24 SBs, 96 Ks, and 39 BBs. It looked like he had the combination of hitting for average and power and stealing bases; that's why everybody was so high on him. Omitting that season gives an entirely different picture.

 

 

 

 

 

 

He was also considered excellent with the leather as well was he not??

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I hope I'm wrong, but the Cub fan in me sees Pie = Nic Jackson.

 

Looking at these numbers, what did we ever see in Nic? He was a 3rd round draft pick in 2000, put up weak numbers that year in Eugene. Didn't play in 2001 (is that right?). In 2002 (22) he was okay in AA in very limited duty and stunk in 2003. Felix put up far better numbers in AA at 20. And has the benefit of being a CF, while Nic was a corner OF.

Your source is not correct, because it omitted 2001, which is the season that established him as a top prospect. I looked him up in one of my Baseball America Prospect Handbooks, and in 2001 he played for Daytona. In 503 ABs he hit .296 with 19 HRs, 85 RBIs, 24 SBs, 96 Ks, and 39 BBs. It looked like he had the combination of hitting for average and power and stealing bases; that's why everybody was so high on him. Omitting that season gives an entirely different picture.

 

Actually, Nic played a lot of CF with the I-Cubs the last I saw him play in 2003. He was starting to show some of the promise that he had in 2001 again. He didn't post great numbers (253/315/384), but it wasn't bad for a 23 year old at AAA for the first time. Then, of course, the injury bug came and kicked him in the pants again...

[NCCubFan]

Actually, Nic played a lot of CF with the I-Cubs the last I saw him play in 2003. He was starting to show some of the promise that he had in 2001 again. He didn't post great numbers (253/315/384), but it wasn't bad for a 23 year old at AAA for the first time. Then, of course, the injury bug came and kicked him in the pants again...

And it was almost like a two level jump for him, since due to his 2002 injury he had only a little over 100 at-bats above A-ball before 2003.

[YearofDaCubs]

Actually, Nic played a lot of CF with the I-Cubs the last I saw him play in 2003. He was starting to show some of the promise that he had in 2001 again. He didn't post great numbers (253/315/384), but it wasn't bad for a 23 year old at AAA for the first time. Then, of course, the injury bug came and kicked him in the pants again...

And it was almost like a two level jump for him, since due to his 2002 injury he had only a little over 100 at-bats above A-ball before 2003.

Do other organizations have as many injuries to their prospects like the Cubs do? It just seems there are a lot of injuries to our prospects.

[NCCubFan]

Do other organizations have as many injuries to their prospects like the Cubs do? It just seems there are a lot of injuries to our prospects.

The Mets seemed to for a while. At one time they had what was supposed to be the best young pitching trio in the game with Wilson, Isringhausen, and Pulsipher. All of them had their careers derailed by injuries and never lived up to their promise (although Isringhausen has since become a very good closer).

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Actually, Nic played a lot of CF with the I-Cubs the last I saw him play in 2003. He was starting to show some of the promise that he had in 2001 again. He didn't post great numbers (253/315/384), but it wasn't bad for a 23 year old at AAA for the first time. Then, of course, the injury bug came and kicked him in the pants again...

And it was almost like a two level jump for him, since due to his 2002 injury he had only a little over 100 at-bats above A-ball before 2003.

Do other organizations have as many injuries to their prospects like the Cubs do? It just seems there are a lot of injuries to our prospects.

 

I think it's a combination of the following, in no particular order:

 

1. Bad luck

2. Drafting pitchers that are more prone to flaming out with injuries than others

3. Bad system that leads to more injuries than normal

 

I don't know how much each plays into it, but I think all 3 are a factor.

[CubfaninCA]

Maybe the Cubs can get Tejada and Wilkerson in a 3 way deal where Wood is dealt to Texas. :)

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe the Cubs can get Tejada and Wilkerson in a 3 way deal where Wood is dealt to Texas. :)

 

I would like that deal if it didn't include Wilkerson as it would cost the Cubs less prospects.

[soapy]

I would probably do the deal but I'd REALLY like to keep one of Hill or Williams if at all possible. If not, so be it.

 

However, I'd only do this deal if the Cubs are keeping Walker. The reason being, if they don't, I think Neifi is your starting 2B. Hendry will see Tejada as such an upgrade that he'll let the offense at 2B dip. Tejada + Perez + Jones/Encarnacion/etc. will not be good enough IMO. Tejada + Walker + Jones/Encarnacion/etc. is much better.

 

However, I guess if Walker was dealt for Floyd, that could be interesting:

 

Pierre

Murton (will actually be Neifi)

Lee

Ramirez

Tejada

Floyd

Barrett

Neifi (will actually be Murton)

[CubinNY]

I would probably do the deal but I'd REALLY like to keep one of Hill or Williams if at all possible. If not, so be it.

 

However, I'd only do this deal if the Cubs are keeping Walker. The reason being, if they don't, I think Neifi is your starting 2B. Hendry will see Tejada as such an upgrade that he'll let the offense at 2B dip. Tejada + Perez + Jones/Encarnacion/etc. will not be good enough IMO. Tejada + Walker + Jones/Encarnacion/etc. is much better.

 

However, I guess if Walker was dealt for Floyd, that could be interesting:

 

Pierre

Murton (will actually be Neifi)

Lee

Ramirez

Tejada

Floyd

Barrett

Neifi (will actually be Murton)

 

Cliff Floyd was a solution to last year's left field problem. Cliff is a left fielder and not a particularly adept one. If the Cubs get Cliff that will mean Murton goes to the bench. If they also get Ecanarcion/Jones that might not be a bad thing at least until Cliff goes on the DL.

[soapy]

I would probably do the deal but I'd REALLY like to keep one of Hill or Williams if at all possible. If not, so be it.

 

However, I'd only do this deal if the Cubs are keeping Walker. The reason being, if they don't, I think Neifi is your starting 2B. Hendry will see Tejada as such an upgrade that he'll let the offense at 2B dip. Tejada + Perez + Jones/Encarnacion/etc. will not be good enough IMO. Tejada + Walker + Jones/Encarnacion/etc. is much better.

 

However, I guess if Walker was dealt for Floyd, that could be interesting:

 

Pierre

Murton (will actually be Neifi)

Lee

Ramirez

Tejada

Floyd

Barrett

Neifi (will actually be Murton)

 

Cliff Floyd was a solution to last year's left field problem. Cliff is a left fielder and not a particularly adept one. If the Cubs get Cliff that will mean Murton goes to the bench. If they also get Ecanarcion/Jones that might not be a bad thing at least until Cliff goes on the DL.

 

You may be right. I know Floyd's primarily a LFer. I guess I just keep trying to convince myself that he or Murton can handle RF. Not likely. I think the best bet is probably to hold onto Walker (which won't happen).

[The Voice of Reason]

Baltimore writer suggests dealing Tejada for prospects (read not Prior or Z). Hope he's right.

 

 

Now, barring an extremely public olive branch from a superstar who wasn't in the wrong, there's only one way to end this saga.

 

Trade Tejada for top prospects, take your lumps, proceed as a faceless organization and hope that a young, legitimate recruiter eventually emerges.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com:/sports/baseball/bal-sp.connolly13dec13,1,240601.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball

Edited December 14, 2005 by The Voice of Reason

[RynoRules]

Baltimore writer suggests dealing Tejada for prospects (read not Prior or Z). Hope he right.

 

 

Now, barring an extremely public olive branch from a superstar who wasn't in the wrong, there's only one way to end this saga.

 

Trade Tejada for top prospects, take your lumps, proceed as a faceless organization and hope that a young, legitimate recruiter eventually emerges.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com:/sports/baseball/bal-sp.connolly13dec13,1,240601.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball

 

Hope that memo reached Mike Flanagan's desk (he's still in charge of baseball ops, right?).

[ThePenguin11]

Dammit, the Mets got Tejada AND Ramirez:

 

 

Juan "Don't-call-me-Miguel" Tejeda - 1B - Mets

 

Mets signed first baseman Juan Tejeda to a minor league contract.

Despite a .289/.362/.516 season for Double-A Erie in 2004, Tejeda wasn't moved up by the Tigers last season, as the team wanted Chris Shelton to play first base for Triple-A Toledo. Later, Carlos Pena was the choice. Tejeda slipped to .291/.354/.447 and the Tigers allowed him to become a minor league free agent after the season. Tejeda is just turning 24 in January, so he remains rather intriguing. Since he doesn't figure to add a lot of power and he's shaky defensively, he's unlikely to become a major league regular. Still, he might get a look from some team someday. Dec. 14 - 4:14 pm

 

 

Julio Ramirez - OF - Mets

 

Mets signed outfielder Julio Ramirez to a minor league contract.

Back in the majors for the first time since 2003, the 28-year-old Ramirez went 1-for-4 for the Giants in September after hitting .241/.286/.459 in 386 AB for Triple-A Fresno. He'll likely be a regular for Triple-A Norfolk. Dec. 14 - 4:09 pm et