New News on Tejada Thread

[YearofDaCubs]

I would do it if we can keep Cedeno and play him at 2B.

[goonys evil twin]

*Insert Rant about Tejada not worth selling the farm over, and leaving us with no trading chips here*

 

It does feel sort of like we are emptying the shelves, doesn't it?

 

Only of the oldest prospects. Cedeno is expendable if you are trading for a stud SS. I'd like to keep one of either Hill or Williams, because I see them contributing to the team this year. Guzman's best value to the team might be in a trade for stud, going to a team that wants a guy with huge upside. This would open up several 40 man spots for the next wave of young prospects coming through, and it also keeps all of the youngest prospects, like Pie, Harvey, Pawelek. The only good bat leaving is Cedeno, and they would still be left with lots of arms in the system. I might try and get them to take a combo of Ryu and somebody else instead of one of the arms, but, it's still intriguing.

 

You would have to get another starting pitcher, somehow.

[The Voice of Reason]

BUMP

 

Bruce Levine on ESPN Radio says that the Tejada talk is very real and that the Cubs are ready to go. I won't mention, however, what he says the Cubs might be willing to give up...

 

:ohnoes:

 

 

Any mention of the clause in Tejada's contract that says he can be a free agent one year after being traded?

[Magnetic Curses]

remember when our stable of arms included

 

haggerty

jones

sisco

nolasco

pinto

guzman

 

?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If I'm Hendry, here's how I outline a package for Tejada.

 

Pie is in the deal.

 

Pick one of Williams/Hill/Guzman. If you pick Williams, then a lower level prospect finishes the deal. If you pick Hill, pick between Harvey/Dope/EPatt. If you pick Guzman, Cedeno is the 3rd player.

 

So, they have Pie, Williams, lower prospect, or Pie, Hill, Harvey/Dope/EPatt or Pie, Guzman, Cedeno.

 

EDIT: If they are interested in Patterson, try to substitute him in as necessary, starting by substituting for Pie and on down until you reach a deal.

Edited December 13, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[JeffH]

They can have Patterson, Williams, Hill, Novoa and EITHER Cedeno OR Guzman.

 

Not both.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

remember when our stable of arms included

 

haggerty

jones

sisco

nolasco

pinto

guzman

 

?

 

A "Where Are They Now?" would actually not be pretty with that group...

[Transmogrified Tiger]

*Insert Rant about Tejada not worth selling the farm over, and leaving us with no trading chips here*

 

It does feel sort of like we are emptying the shelves, doesn't it?

 

Only of the oldest prospects. Cedeno is expendable if you are trading for a stud SS. I'd like to keep one of either Hill or Williams, because I see them contributing to the team this year. Guzman's best value to the team might be in a trade for stud, going to a team that wants a guy with huge upside. This would open up several 40 man spots for the next wave of young prospects coming through, and it also keeps all of the youngest prospects, like Pie, Harvey, Pawelek. The only good bat leaving is Cedeno, and they would still be left with lots of arms in the system. I might try and get them to take a combo of Ryu and somebody else instead of one of the arms, but, it's still intriguing.

 

You would have to get another starting pitcher, somehow.

 

If you make that deal, there is no next wave of prospects coming through on the 40 man. Maybe Marshall, Marmol, or Ryu, but when you trade away Pinto, Nolasco, Mitre, Hill, Williams, Cedeno, and Guzman, there isn't a lot coming up.

Edited December 13, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[goonys evil twin]

I'd love to see Miggy on the Cubs next season, but giving up all those prospects really leaves us strapped for additional moves.

 

It leaves them strapped for additional moves, this year. But they are already in desperation mode for this year, and have to improve somewhere. And they would still have a boatload of young prospects to take over these guys roles next season. They don't have the luxury of wating for something better to come along. At this point it might come down to seeing which team wants to deal first, Philly with Abreu (keeping Cedeno at SS) or Baltimore with Tejada (signing a 3rd tier RF).

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

well, it would open up room on the 40 man. :roll:

[goonys evil twin]

If you make that deal, there is no next wave of prospects coming through on the 40 man. Maybe Marshall or Ryu, but when you trade away Pinto, Nolasco, Mitre, Hill, Williams, Cedeno, and Guzman away, there isn't a lot coming up.

 

Only Nolasco and Guzman on that list has a difficult to replace upside, and Nolasco is already gone. Marshall, Gallagher, Ryu and others are down there waiting to climb the list. EPatt could be rostered as early as 2007.

 

None of these guys is a can't miss prospect, or an extremely highly rated prospect. They are all very similar to somebody else in the system maybe a year behind. The Pierre trade was more painful, considering they gave up a similar package just without the bat, and it was for a much less impactful player. The Cubs don't have a star studded system, they have a depth filled system. The best way to use prospect depth is by trading it, before you lose them to Rule 5, before they crap out, and before Dusty gets to run them out of town. The top 2 prospects would still be here, as would be the rest of the top hitting prospects, and several arms.

[CuseCubFan69]

well, it would open up room on the 40 man. :roll:

 

That's right! Imagine how easy the Rule 5 draft will be next year for the Cubs...no worries about losing any players.

 

Don't forget all...the Cubs have about 143 PTBNL still coming to them.

[RynoRules]

well, it would open up room on the 40 man. :roll:

 

That's right! Imagine how easy the Rule 5 draft will be next year for the Cubs...no worries about losing any players.

 

Don't forget all...the Cubs have about 143 PTBNL still coming to them.

 

Good point.

[NCCubFan]

Any mention of the clause in Tejada's contract that says he can be a free agent one year after being traded?

There is no such thing. There is a general rule for players traded in the middle of a long-term contract (nothing in Tejada's contract specifically, but a rule that applies to all players). The rule is that, if a player is traded in the middle of a long-term contract, they then have the right to demand a trade at the end of the season and if not traded can become a free agent. There's an entire thread devoted to this issue, but my feeling is that Hendry should insist on Tejada's waiving that clause as a condition of making the trade. My feeling is that he would agree to that (possibly with a monetary incentive added as an inducement to do that, as I believe Bruce Miles said might happen). I think Tejada might be agreeable since he's the one that wants a trade in the first place, and he'd be more tradeable if a team knows they'd have him for the rest of his contract. This is similar to Sosa's waiving his option a year ago to become more tradeable.

[Ram1380]

If I am Hendry, I do everything in my power to try and keep Cedeno and Williams out of any deal. Try and overwhelm with quanity (dope/Harvey etc..) while including Pie. They could move Mora to Short and use some of the excess prospects in a deal to Toronto for Hinske.

 

 

We are going to need Williams I am afraid this season and I want nothing to do with Neifi at 2nd on a daily basis, if Hendry is indeed hell bent on getting rid of Walker.

 

 

Pie+Hill+Guzman+Ryu+Patterson+Dope?

[goonys evil twin]

If I am Hendry, I do everything in my power to try and keep Cedeno and Williams out of any deal. Try and overwhelm with quanity (dope/Harvey etc..) while including Pie. They could move Mora to Short and use some of the excess prospects in a deal to Toronto for Hinske.

 

 

We are going to need Williams I am afraid this season and I want nothing to do with Neifi at 2nd on a daily basis, if Hendry is indeed hell bent on getting rid of Walker.

 

 

Pie+Hill+Guzman+Ryu+Patterson+Dope?

 

I would try the same thing with Harvey, Dope, Moore, and others. I'd like to keep either Hill or Williams, and I would like to keep Cedeno. But they would not be deal breakers in my mind.

[JeffH]

Trade Felix Pie instead of Jerome Williams?

 

"Kidding, he must be," said Yoda.

[CuseCubFan69]

If I am Hendry, I do everything in my power to try and keep Cedeno and Williams out of any deal. Try and overwhelm with quanity (dope/Harvey etc..) while including Pie. They could move Mora to Short and use some of the excess prospects in a deal to Toronto for Hinske.

 

 

We are going to need Williams I am afraid this season and I want nothing to do with Neifi at 2nd on a daily basis, if Hendry is indeed hell bent on getting rid of Walker.

 

 

Pie+Hill+Guzman+Ryu+Patterson+Dope?

 

The O's will need a SS and Cedeno is ready. I don't think the Cubs have a choice on this one unless the O's want Theriot.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If I am Hendry, I do everything in my power to try and keep Cedeno and Williams out of any deal. Try and overwhelm with quanity (dope/Harvey etc..) while including Pie. They could move Mora to Short and use some of the excess prospects in a deal to Toronto for Hinske.

 

 

We are going to need Williams I am afraid this season and I want nothing to do with Neifi at 2nd on a daily basis, if Hendry is indeed hell bent on getting rid of Walker.

 

 

Pie+Hill+Guzman+Ryu+Patterson+Dope?

 

I would try the same thing with Harvey, Dope, Moore, and others. I'd like to keep either Hill or Williams, and I would like to keep Cedeno. But they would not be deal breakers in my mind.

 

My thoughts too. I'd like to keep one of Hill or Williams. Trading Cedeno isn't a deal breaker since I'll have Tejada for four years. Cedeno has less value as a secondsacker.

 

If I could get the deal done for Patterson, Hill, Cedeno, Guzman, and someone other than Williams I'd feel much better about it.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

well, it would open up room on the 40 man. :roll:

 

That's right! Imagine how easy the Rule 5 draft will be next year for the Cubs...no worries about losing any players.

 

Don't forget all...the Cubs have about 143 PTBNL still coming to them.

 

Good point.

 

What? PTBNL typically suck. why would they deserve to be on the 40 man? it's not like we're actually going to have trouble with finding 40 warm bodies to put on there, just quality players that deserve to be there.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If you make that deal, there is no next wave of prospects coming through on the 40 man. Maybe Marshall or Ryu, but when you trade away Pinto, Nolasco, Mitre, Hill, Williams, Cedeno, and Guzman away, there isn't a lot coming up.

 

Only Nolasco and Guzman on that list has a difficult to replace upside, and Nolasco is already gone. Marshall, Gallagher, Ryu and others are down there waiting to climb the list. EPatt could be rostered as early as 2007.

 

None of these guys is a can't miss prospect, or an extremely highly rated prospect. They are all very similar to somebody else in the system maybe a year behind. The Pierre trade was more painful, considering they gave up a similar package just without the bat, and it was for a much less impactful player. The Cubs don't have a star studded system, they have a depth filled system. The best way to use prospect depth is by trading it, before you lose them to Rule 5, before they crap out, and before Dusty gets to run them out of town. The top 2 prospects would still be here, as would be the rest of the top hitting prospects, and several arms.

 

Who are the others? Marmol? Johnson? Petrick or Blasko? You're trading from the depth for sure, but you're completely eliminating it. Tejada isn't worth that, plus the issue of still needing a RF, and now a SP with significantly fewer trading chips, and 12 million fewer dollars.

Edited December 13, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[BigbadB]

Does this deal have legs?

 

Or is all of this just speculation?

[Ram1380]

Trade Felix Pie instead of Jerome Williams?

 

"Kidding, he must be," said Yoda.

 

 

Thinking more on the lines of being able to keep Cedeno+Williams instead of just Pie.

 

 

Just my preference, Williams has proven to be adequate (at a min.) as a big league starter, he is young and cheap.

 

 

 

If we do deal Cedeno, Hendry has GOT to get off Dusty's ridiculous hard-on for Walker and keep him around.

[Coach.]

I hope I'm wrong, but the Cub fan in me sees Pie = Nic Jackson.

[goonys evil twin]

Who are the others? Marmol? Johnson? Petrick or Blasko? You're trading from the depth for sure, but you're completely eliminating it. Tejada isn't worth that, plus the issue of still needing a RF, and now a SP with significantly fewer trading chips, and 12 million fewer dollars.

 

I think you grossly undervalue Tejada. And completely ignore the situation the Cubs face. They are getting a crap RF regardless. It's either Jones/Encarnacion/Wilson + Tejada, or one of those guys without Tejada. If they can get Abreu, great. But I don't see them getting anybody of value for RF. And I don't see them getting any better player via trade with these guys in the future.