Tejada wants to be traded

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

I doubt Manny would go to Balt. Everything that has been reported, mentions Manny out west. Namely LA Angels.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

I'd much rather use a bunch of prospects for Abreu, who consistently bests Tejada in OBP by 50-60 points. But for just about any one player, that type of package is not going to help you because of the state of the franchise as it is. We'd get the star, but he's not going to overcome the deficiencies you've created in acquiring him, and that holds especially true for Tejada considering his contract, age, and production.

[CuseCubFan69]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

[tspain]

I am always amazed at what people think our players are worth on this board. Such as thinking we can get a great shortstop for Williams and Cedeno or something close to it. I believe it would take Prior to get him.

 

I would be willing to trade Prior for Dunn or Tejada either one. After all, I realize you have to give up something to get something.

 

While I like Cedeno and Murton, and pray Pie and Hill become something great, I don't see us landing a big fish with any or all of them conbined. It just takes more.

 

I take the realistic approach. And if Hendry can land another deal such as the Aramis Ramirez deal or the Derrek Lee deal, which were steals, then so much the better. But steals don't happen every day.

 

Pastor Tom Spain

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

[XZero771679666304]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

I was just surprised to see that Tejada has never had an OPS over .900. HIs OPS last year was .864.

[oldcubsfan]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

What? You think Walker produces anything near Tejada? That really makes me scratch my head wondering if I look at different numbers and evaluation of talent.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

My early prediction: He ends up on the Red Sox in a 3-way deal for Manny.

 

With the Red Sox in the market for a SS, I'm not sure a 3-way is even needed. Send Manny to the Orioles and Tejada to the Red Sox.

[Productive Outs]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

career OPS:

 

Walker: .789

Tejada: .815

[CardsFanInChiTown]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Walker also gets favorable platoon match ups. And yes I know for the first time in his career last year he hit leftys well but still this should be considered.

Edited December 9, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[Sarcastic]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

His line last year was .305/.349/.515. His OBP was worse than Walker's by a bit, and his power was significantly, but not immensely, higher. I'd say that saying Tejada was slightly better than Walker isn't too far off base.

 

In any case, a player with a .864 OPS probably isn't worth three or four good prospects, especially if that player is turning 30 and has a large contract.

Edited December 9, 2005 by Sarcastic

[Jon]

I was just surprised to see that Tejada has never had an OPS over .900. HIs OPS last year was .864.

That was the first thing that jumped out at me when I looked up his stats, as well.

Edited December 9, 2005 by Jon

[CuseCubFan69]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

I was just surprised to see that Tejada has never had an OPS over .900. HIs OPS last year was .864.

 

My point is this:

 

Tejada and Mench > Cedeno and Abreu

[oldcubsfan]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

[Sarcastic]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

What? You think Walker produces anything near Tejada? That really makes me scratch my head wondering if I look at different numbers and evaluation of talent.

 

Check their stats pages, or the stats posted on this board. They are not that far apart.

[CuseCubFan69]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

His line last year was .305/.349/.515. His OBP was worse than Walker's by a bit, and his power was significantly, but not immensely, higher. I'd say that saying Tejada was slightly better than Walker isn't too far off base.

 

In any case, a player with a .864 OPS probably isn't worth three or four good prospects, especially if that player is turning 30 and has a large contract.

 

Unless you include fielding as part of the game. Let me also add he shows up for work everyday unlike the often hurt Walker.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

I was just surprised to see that Tejada has never had an OPS over .900. HIs OPS last year was .864.

 

My point is this:

 

Tejada and Mench > Cedeno and Abreu

 

Who's left to trade for Mench? Let's assume the Rangers take a bunch of prospects further away like Dopirak, Harvey, EPatt, Gallagher, whatever. The real comparison is:

 

Tejada+Mench+Rusch+inability to make any moves in the near future vs. Cedeno+Abreu+Williams+not ravaging your farm system

[Geech]

My point is this:

 

Tejada and Mench > Cedeno and Abreu

 

That's far from certain. Abreu's career OPS is almost as good as Tejada's best, and the team almost certainly takes an overall OBP hit with Tejada/Mench as compared to Abreu/Cedeno.

Edited December 9, 2005 by Geech

[oldcubsfan]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Walker also get favorable platoon match ups. And yes I know for the first time in his career last year he hit leftys well but still this should be considered.

 

If people on this board truly believe Todd Walker is a better ballplayer than Tejada, well then.....

[Productive Outs]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

i can guarantee that if walker played a full season batting third he would have 100 rbis and 20 home runs. home runs aren't everything, their SLG should tell you that

Edited December 9, 2005 by Productive Outs

[Transmogrified Tiger]

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Tejada last year: 304/.349/.515/.864

Walker last year: .305/.355/.474/.829

 

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

Selective use of numbers? Seriously? I'm not saying they are equals, I'm using Walker to prove the point that Tejada isn't worth giving away half the valuable commodities in the system.

[Outshined_One]

Try RBI's and HR's. Selective use of numbers is meaningless. NO ONE in baseball would try to equate Todd Walker being the equal to Tejada.

 

HRs I can dig. But RBIs? There's too much stuff that RBIs depend upon to make me see them as a legitimate stat in objectively evaluating a player.

 

Tejada's better than Walker by a fair margin, though.

[stitchface]

you overvalue prospects. if any of the three or four has a better year than tejada ever, it would be an upset.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If people on this board truly believe Todd Walker is a better ballplayer than Tejada, well then.....

 

NO ONE IS SAYING THIS

[Productive Outs]

He's 2 years younger than Abreu and plays a more important postion IMO and does it well. Why isn't he worth 3 or 4 prospects?

 

Because he isn't really that great of an offensive player. We got slightly less production from Walker last year that we would probably get from Tejada this year. Just because he plays a positon were offense is scarce doesn't mean we should overpay for him, especially if it is possible to upgrade more cheaply at another position.

 

What were his numbers last year? No way is he comparable to Walker.

 

Walker also get favorable platoon match ups. And yes I know for the first time in his career last year he hit leftys well but still this should be considered.

 

If people on this board truly believe Todd Walker is a better ballplayer than Tejada, well then.....

 

i don't think anyone is trying to say that.