Damaso Marte trade to Pirates for Rob Mackowiak

[E.J.]

Levine just reported on ESPN 1000 that the White Sox have traded Marte to the Pirates for Mackowiak.

[da bears]

Well, at least Mackowiak can only kill the Cubs six times a year, as opposed to however many times it was with the Pirates.

[ThePenguin11]

Well, at least Mackowiak can only kill the Cubs six times a year, as opposed to however many times it was with the Pirates.

 

I would have loved to have him as a utility OF/IF. I thought it would have taken more than Marte to get him.

[TheDude]

I am much more worried that the Cubs now have to face Marte, though he is really a lefty specialist and the Cubs aren't exactly lefty gifted.

 

Still, fastball-slider relievers are always problematic for the free-swinging Cubs.

[mg420]

I am much more worried that the Cubs now have to face Marte, though he is really a lefty specialist and the Cubs aren't exactly lefty gifted.

 

Still, fastball-slider relievers are always problematic for the free-swinging Cubs.

 

just dont swing at his pitches. he tends to walk in the winning runs that way.

[TheDude]

I am much more worried that the Cubs now have to face Marte, though he is really a lefty specialist and the Cubs aren't exactly lefty gifted.

 

Still, fastball-slider relievers are always problematic for the free-swinging Cubs.

 

just dont swing at his pitches. he tends to walk in the winning runs that way.

 

If I were the one with a bat in my hands, that wouldn't be a problem.

[Blueheart05]

Levine just reported on ESPN 1000 that the White Sox have traded Marte to the Pirates for Mackowiak.

 

Steve Stone's contribution to this on the Murph show: "He's a good pickup and he usually does kill the Cubs." :roll:

 

He's a bitter man.

[Andy]

Naturally, since the Cardinals are having their first bad offseason in about a decade, the White Sox are running around plugging in good players for total crap.

 

Marte is not a good pitcher at all. Good job by the Sox to cash in on him having his first-ever half decent year.

 

OT: Remember Marte walking Walker with the bases loaded to complete a Cubs sweep of the Sox at Wrigley in 04? :D

[Priorknowledge]

Marte is not a good pitcher at all. Good job by the Sox to cash in on him having his first-ever half decent year.

 

Um, if anything, this was his worst year in four years. Check out his ERAs since 02:

 

2002 2.83

2003 1.58

2004 3.42

2005 3.77

[Andy]

Marte is not a good pitcher at all. Good job by the Sox to cash in on him having his first-ever half decent year.

 

Um, if anything, this was his worst year in four years. Check out his ERAs since 02:

 

2002 2.83

2003 1.58

2004 3.42

2005 3.77

I'll shut up. :lol:

[TheDude]

Marte is a very solid late reliever. He struggled the times he was asked to close, but as a set-up man he flourished. A career MLB ERA of 3.20, with .226 BAA and over 9 K's per inning is pretty solid.

[Bobson Dugnutt]

That leaves the Sox with only one LHP in the bullpen now, though. Filled one hole, but created another. But Mackowiak is a good player and I'm sure finding a second lefty option won't be hard.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Good move for the Pirates. It's a shame that their offense is an abomination outside of Bay and now Casey, they have some good young pitching.

[bc2k]

Marte is a headcase. He looked like he was afraid to throw strikes in the playoffs. Against Boston in the ALDS, he faced three batters and let all three reach base through hit or walk. That's when El Duque came in from the bullpen with no outs and didn't let one runner score.

 

Marte also had that Bizarre AWOL situation during the regular season that I don't really know the details about. He left the team for some reason, possibly because he thought he was hurt.

 

The Sox are lucky to get rid of this headcase and his salary.

 

Though if he pitches like he did in 2003, the Sox will definately regret trading him.

[Jehrico]

Great trade for the Sox. If Marte rebounds at all this year, then it's a good trade for both teams. I think Pitt is taking more of a risk here though than the Sox.

[UK1679666180]

As rare as it is for me to compliment the work of KW, he has done a couple of very good things this off-season.

[Bote McBoteface]

I was at a Cubs at Pirates game once, and the pirates fans sitting next to me would always scream "Ranger Rob Makowiac!" Then he made an error that let a run score and all the Cubs fans screamed it. I will forever remember him because of that.

 

That being said, I thought he sucked? maybe I was mistaken though.

[bc2k]

As rare as it is for me to compliment the work of KW, he has done a couple of very good things this off-season.

 

I think he's done a good job so far this offseason, but he did an even better job last year. He went against the grain and traded Lee for Podsednik and Vizcaino, then used the money saved in that trade to acquire AJ Pierzynski, Dustin Hermanson and Tadahito Iguchi.

 

He chose not to re-sign Magglio Ordonez.

 

He signed the World Series MVP Jermaine Dye, made a midseason trade for Jeff Blum who hit the game-winning home run in game 3 of the World Series, and most overlooked, picked up Bobby Jenks and turned him into a reliever.

 

He also gave a chance in ST to nobodies like Pablo Ozuna and Chris Widger who contributed much yet accounted for very little payroll.

 

And he won without having to trade his best pitching prospect, Brandon McCarthy, or his best position playing prospect, Brian Anderson.

 

All on a $75 million payroll. You watching Hendry?

[nilodnayr]

As rare as it is for me to compliment the work of KW, he has done a couple of very good things this off-season.

 

I think he's done a good job so far this offseason, but he did an even better job last year. He went against the grain and traded Lee for Podsednik and Vizcaino, then used the money saved in that trade to acquire AJ Pierzynski, Dustin Hermanson and Tadahito Iguchi.

 

He chose not to re-sign Magglio Ordonez.

 

He signed the World Series MVP Jermaine Dye, made a midseason trade for Jeff Blum who hit the game-winning home run in game 3 of the World Series, and most overlooked, picked up Bobby Jenks and turned him into a reliever.

 

He also gave a chance in ST to nobodies like Pablo Ozuna and Chris Widger who contributed much yet accounted for very little payroll.

 

And he won without having to trade his best pitching prospect, Brandon McCarthy, or his best position playing prospect, Brian Anderson.

 

All on a $75 million payroll. You watching Hendry?

 

Ohh how hindsight is twenty-twenty

[bc2k]

As rare as it is for me to compliment the work of KW, he has done a couple of very good things this off-season.

 

I think he's done a good job so far this offseason, but he did an even better job last year. He went against the grain and traded Lee for Podsednik and Vizcaino, then used the money saved in that trade to acquire AJ Pierzynski, Dustin Hermanson and Tadahito Iguchi.

 

He chose not to re-sign Magglio Ordonez.

 

He signed the World Series MVP Jermaine Dye, made a midseason trade for Jeff Blum who hit the game-winning home run in game 3 of the World Series, and most overlooked, picked up Bobby Jenks and turned him into a reliever.

 

He also gave a chance in ST to nobodies like Pablo Ozuna and Chris Widger who contributed much yet accounted for very little payroll.

 

And he won without having to trade his best pitching prospect, Brandon McCarthy, or his best position playing prospect, Brian Anderson.

 

All on a $75 million payroll. You watching Hendry?

 

Ohh how hindsight is twenty-twenty

 

:?:

 

Kenny Williams deserves compliment for making those moves because he didn't have hindsight knowledge of how his acquisitions would turn out.

[Andy]

As rare as it is for me to compliment the work of KW, he has done a couple of very good things this off-season.

 

I think he's done a good job so far this offseason, but he did an even better job last year. He went against the grain and traded Lee for Podsednik and Vizcaino, then used the money saved in that trade to acquire AJ Pierzynski, Dustin Hermanson and Tadahito Iguchi.

 

He chose not to re-sign Magglio Ordonez.

 

He signed the World Series MVP Jermaine Dye, made a midseason trade for Jeff Blum who hit the game-winning home run in game 3 of the World Series, and most overlooked, picked up Bobby Jenks and turned him into a reliever.

 

He also gave a chance in ST to nobodies like Pablo Ozuna and Chris Widger who contributed much yet accounted for very little payroll.

 

And he won without having to trade his best pitching prospect, Brandon McCarthy, or his best position playing prospect, Brian Anderson.

 

All on a $75 million payroll. You watching Hendry?

 

Ohh how hindsight is twenty-twenty

 

:?:

 

Kenny Williams deserves compliment for making those moves because he didn't have hindsight knowledge of how his acquisitions would turn out.

You could also say that he got rid of someone who had more 2005 RBIs than DLee for a mediocre leadoff hitter, then used the money saved to acquire a clubhouse cancer, an over the hill reliever, and an unknown quantity Japanese player. You could say he picked up an injury-prone, strikeout-prone OF in Dye, he gave a chance in ST to guys most teams realized are not good, made a midseason trade for another guy who wasn't good, and held on to his best prospects like most intelligent GMs would do unless bowled over with an offer.

 

Those moves worked out, but they could just as easily have ended up being terrible moves.

[bc2k]

As rare as it is for me to compliment the work of KW, he has done a couple of very good things this off-season.

 

I think he's done a good job so far this offseason, but he did an even better job last year. He went against the grain and traded Lee for Podsednik and Vizcaino, then used the money saved in that trade to acquire AJ Pierzynski, Dustin Hermanson and Tadahito Iguchi.

 

He chose not to re-sign Magglio Ordonez.

 

He signed the World Series MVP Jermaine Dye, made a midseason trade for Jeff Blum who hit the game-winning home run in game 3 of the World Series, and most overlooked, picked up Bobby Jenks and turned him into a reliever.

 

He also gave a chance in ST to nobodies like Pablo Ozuna and Chris Widger who contributed much yet accounted for very little payroll.

 

And he won without having to trade his best pitching prospect, Brandon McCarthy, or his best position playing prospect, Brian Anderson.

 

All on a $75 million payroll. You watching Hendry?

 

Ohh how hindsight is twenty-twenty

 

:?:

 

Kenny Williams deserves compliment for making those moves because he didn't have hindsight knowledge of how his acquisitions would turn out.

You could also say that he got rid of someone who had more 2005 RBIs than DLee for a mediocre leadoff hitter, then used the money saved to acquire a clubhouse cancer, an over the hill reliever, and an unknown quantity Japanese player. You could say he picked up an injury-prone, strikeout-prone OF in Dye, he gave a chance in ST to guys most teams realized are not good, made a midseason trade for another guy who wasn't good, and held on to his best prospects like most intelligent GMs would do unless bowled over with an offer.

Those moves worked out, but they could just as easily have ended up being terrible moves.

 

But they didn't; thus, they were great moves.

 

Above anything else, a GM is a talent evaluator. So you must give Kenny Williams credit for seeing something nobody else saw in those players.

Edited December 9, 2005 by bc2k

[woodprior04]

I don't understand why people are saying this is a good deal for the White Sox. Marte may be a bit of a headcase, but he has certainly proved he can be a very good reliever. Mackowiak looks like an average bench player to me. What's the deal?

[bc2k]

I don't understand why people are saying this is a good deal for the White Sox. Marte may be a bit of a headcase, but he has certainly proved he can be a very good reliever. Mackowiak looks like an average bench player to me. What's the deal?

 

Browsing the White Sox MLB boards, they have been saying that Mackowiak fills a couple important roles as utility man. They said if center fielder Brian Anderson fails, Mackowiak can fill in. Or, if Joe Crede has to go back on the DL because of his bad back, Mackowiak can fill in there.

 

Also, as you'd expect, there's a certain South Side chest-beating about how successful Mack has been against the Cubs and how he is from Oak Lawn, a Southwest suburb.

 

A lot of Sox fans were fed up with Marte's 2005 season and yearly regression. The fact that Mack costs less than Marte is an added bonus. Some said they were happy to have a left-handed bat off the bench.

[Backtobanks]

I don't understand why people are saying this is a good deal for the White Sox. Marte may be a bit of a headcase, but he has certainly proved he can be a very good reliever. Mackowiak looks like an average bench player to me. What's the deal?

 

Browsing the White Sox MLB boards, they have been saying that Mackowiak fills a couple important roles as utility man. They said if center fielder Brian Anderson fails, Mackowiak can fill in. Or, if Joe Crede has to go back on the DL because of his bad back, Mackowiak can fill in there.

 

Also, as you'd expect, there's a certain South Side chest-beating about how successful Mack has been against the Cubs and how he is from Oak Lawn, a Southwest suburb.

 

Mackowiak is a good addition to the WS, but if Marte returns to the form he showed before last year, The Pirates got the best of this deal.

 

A lot of Sox fans were fed up with Marte's 2005 season and yearly regression. The fact that Mack costs less than Marte is an added bonus. Some said they were happy to have a left-handed bat off the bench.