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Looks like a possibility. Yes I know it depends on who we give up but assume Pie and Hill stay, all other prospects are available and Walker or Cedeno goes. Like everybody else, I want Dunn and Abreu but assume that's not feasible (i.e, Abreu for Prior). Discuss. It kills time while waiting to hear something.

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I doubt that's good enough to overcome the Brewers and Cards. Maybe good enough to get over the Astros if they don't get Clemens.
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meh. at least we wouldn't give up 2-3 arms for Pierre.

 

i like wilkerson. i don't really see the need for Lugo with Wilky on board. I'd rather save the prospects and play Cedeno.

 

I'd like to see some combo of Bradley, Wilkerson, Kearns, and Dunn (dream world). Forget Abreu.

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in my honest opinion, the offense underachieved with the injuries last year. A full year of Dempster means about 10 less blown saves, and the signings of eyre and howry take about 10 losses from the bullepn away since we wont see mitre, welleymeyer , koronka lose games. This team is already 5-10 games better in my opinion, just because of the pitching.
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I would be satisfied with those players as long as Neifi isn't starting over Cedeno or Walker. Although some better trades could be made to improve the team a little better I would call it a successful offseason if we ended up with those players.
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Looks like a possibility. Yes I know it depends on who we give up but assume Pie and Hill stay, all other prospects are available and Walker or Cedeno goes. Like everybody else, I want Dunn and Abreu but assume that's not feasible (i.e, Abreu for Prior). Discuss. It kills time while waiting to hear something.

 

I would be very happy(and suprised) if we do that well this offseason and I think it would be good enough for us to contend for the division. If we trade Cedeno we need to keep Walker though.

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I wouldn't be thrilled but with the pitching the Cubs have that team would be competitive. I want more than that but I can think of far worse outcomes this offseason.
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I guess I would be satisfied as long as we don't sign any of them to long term untradeable contracts. I don't think it would be enough to make us a force in the NL Central, but there's always the "if" that Wood, Zambrano and Prior stay healthy all year and pitch like we know they can - a couple other hitters step up and have above average years and we could be right in the mix.

 

If we signed them to short term/tradeable contracts, play Murton and Cedeno and find out just how good or bad they are, we might have the money to hit the FA market hard in the 2006 offseason and really put together a contender for 2007 and beyond.

 

Alot of if's, but I don't see much other choice right now.

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I would be satisfied with those players. It wouldn't be a huge improvement, but at least it would be a step in the right direction in terms of improving the offense.

 

I'd see if you could throw Bradley in there if you can't land Wilkerson or Huff.

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I would be very happy with that. I don't know how someone could be dissapointed with that.

 

Lugo - close to Furcal #'s, gives us a base threat, carreer .340 OBP

Wilkerson - lots of doubles, some power, carreer .365 OBP

Huff - doesn't stike out alot, good for 20-30 HR, carreer .342 OBP

 

Those are exactly the kind of guys we need to compliment Lee, Ramirez, Barret, Murton, ect. .

 

Good average to above average guys, with good OBP, some power and speed divided among those guys, not a whole lot of strike outs, good contact, pretty patient hitters, not swinging at the 1st pitch all the time.

 

That is why I'd be suprised if we got them, it would be too good if we got them, so we won't.

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in my honest opinion, the offense underachieved with the injuries last year. A full year of Dempster means about 10 less blown saves, and the signings of eyre and howry take about 10 losses from the bullepn away since we wont see mitre, welleymeyer , koronka lose games. This team is already 5-10 games better in my opinion, just because of the pitching.

 

I totally agree with you. I'm getting tired of all of the naysayers on December 6th. If Hendry gets Lugo, Huff, and Wilkerson or Bradley, this team is easily 10 games better. As you said, we start out with a closer, 2 experienced set-up men, a much better top of the lineup (hopefully Perez isn't part of it), an everyday LF, and a stronger bench (where Macias isn't the 1st bat off the bench). The two things that could stop this team from showing that much improvement are injuries and Dusty Baker. If Baker insists on playing Perez or not giving Cedeno and Murton enough playing time, then we will be in trouble.

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I would be very happy with that. I don't know how someone could be dissapointed with that.

 

Lugo - close to Furcal #'s, gives us a base threat, carreer .340 OBP

Wilkerson - lots of doubles, some power, carreer .365 OBP

Huff - doesn't stike out alot, good for 20-30 HR, carreer .342 OBP

 

Those are exactly the kind of guys we need to compliment Lee, Ramirez, Barret, Murton, ect. .

 

Good average to above average guys, with good OBP, some power and speed divided among those guys, not a whole lot of strike outs, good contact, pretty patient hitters, not swinging at the 1st pitch all the time.

 

That is why I'd be suprised if we got them, it would be too good if we got them, so we won't.

 

Agreed. people need to remember that, if you take Lee out of last year's lineup, the combined OBP for the Cubs was ~.308

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I would be very happy with that. I don't know how someone could be dissapointed with that.

 

Lugo - close to Furcal #'s, gives us a base threat, carreer .340 OBP

Wilkerson - lots of doubles, some power, carreer .365 OBP

Huff - doesn't stike out alot, good for 20-30 HR, carreer .342 OBP

 

Those are exactly the kind of guys we need to compliment Lee, Ramirez, Barret, Murton, ect. .

 

Good average to above average guys, with good OBP, some power and speed divided among those guys, not a whole lot of strike outs, good contact, pretty patient hitters, not swinging at the 1st pitch all the time.

 

That is why I'd be suprised if we got them, it would be too good if we got them, so we won't.

 

Agreed. people need to remember that, if you take Lee out of last year's lineup, the combined OBP for the Cubs was ~.308

 

AAAAAH! Don't scare me like that.

 

I had never seen that before. That's atrocious.

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I would be very happy with that. I don't know how someone could be dissapointed with that.

 

Lugo - close to Furcal #'s, gives us a base threat, carreer .340 OBP

Wilkerson - lots of doubles, some power, carreer .365 OBP

Huff - doesn't stike out alot, good for 20-30 HR, carreer .342 OBP

 

Those are exactly the kind of guys we need to compliment Lee, Ramirez, Barret, Murton, ect. .

 

Good average to above average guys, with good OBP, some power and speed divided among those guys, not a whole lot of strike outs, good contact, pretty patient hitters, not swinging at the 1st pitch all the time.

 

That is why I'd be suprised if we got them, it would be too good if we got them, so we won't.

 

Agreed. people need to remember that, if you take Lee out of last year's lineup, the combined OBP for the Cubs was ~.308

 

Yes. And with these guys added and replacing Burintz, Patterson, and Neifi (gulp). . The combined OBP of the team could jump somewhere close to .330

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Oh. And yes, I'd be pretty ecstatic if we were able to get all that. That would be a MAJOR upgrade to the offense (No, it's not Dunn or Abreu, but it is good), as Lugo would be an upgrade at SS, Wilkerson would be an upgrade at CF, and Huff, at his worst, puts up stuff like Burnitz did for us last year. If he reverts to old form (and everything I've heard suggests that a big part of the reason for his underachievement has a lot to do with his being highly dissatisfied in Tampa), which he very well might, he can be a big-time bat. That on top of the bullpen improvements we've made (even if the contracts are a bit high) should put us right in contention, especially since we'd still have payroll left over to fill whatever holes are left, or make a big midseason acquisition.
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Can Huff even play RF?

 

No, not really. He's best at 1B or DH. If the Cubs acquired him we'd have to home that the friendly confines are just that... He's not good defensively.

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The Cubs, pushing hard for Marlins center fielder Juan Pierre, might be willing to part with right-handed pitching prospect Angel Guzman, but a number of other clubs are in the Pierre mix. The Nationals' Brad Wilkerson and Devil Rays' Aubrey Huff also are drawing interest from the Cubs. Nationals G.M. Jim Bowden has long been intrigued by Cubs center fielder Corey Patterson, and the Cubs have a number of young pitchers who might appeal to the Nationals.

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The main problem with our offense last year wasnt how good our best players were it was how good our middle and bottem players were. A better way to say it is the Cardinals had a better offense not because Pujols and Edmonds were better than Lee and Aram but because Eckstein and Nunez were better than Perez and Patterson.

 

So by adding Lugo, Wilkerson, and Huff and going the whole season with Murton. Aslo having Mabry take Arams off days at 3rd instead of Macias we would have a greatly improved offense. A offense that is definatly able to compete. That with hopefully improved bullpen and either Wood or Prior returning to high level will get us in the playoffs.

 

If we dont get the improved pitching than we will have to score more runs but I dont think that is going to happen without interferring with our ability to resign lee prior zam aram and possibly wood

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I think people don't realize that we already have the two big bats in the middle of the order that all good offensive teams have. All we need now are complimentary players to fit around them. Just look at teams like the Cardinals and Red Sox. Each of those teams are filled with guys like Eckstein, Grudzilanek, Mueller, Trot Nixon, and Kevin Millar.

 

We already have some of the pieces in Walker, Murton, Cedeno, and Barrett. We are very close in my opinion. We are two pieces away from having a good lineup. Those can easily be added through free agency or trade. If you can get one of these three through trade Bradley, Wilkerson, and Huff and then sign either Lofton, Jacque Jones, or Juan Encarnacion I think we can compete.

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It sounds like you would be satisfied with another losing season....Give me a break people....

Don't some of you at least actually want to win...Not Just 83 games either...Actually win....

 

I'm Sorry but losing out on Furcal and being happy with Lugo. That sounds like a losing season to me....

 

Lets just all be happy by bringing in average playes after we lose out on real impact players.....

 

Just Sad...

 

Kearns or HUff or Wilkerson = Hope for Lightning in bottle =2007

 

 

I would be very happy with that. I don't know how someone could be dissapointed with that.

 

Lugo - close to Furcal #'s, gives us a base threat, carreer .340 OBP

Wilkerson - lots of doubles, some power, carreer .365 OBP

Huff - doesn't stike out alot, good for 20-30 HR, carreer .342 OBP

 

Those are exactly the kind of guys we need to compliment Lee, Ramirez, Barret, Murton, ect. .

 

Good average to above average guys, with good OBP, some power and speed divided among those guys, not a whole lot of strike outs, good contact, pretty patient hitters, not swinging at the 1st pitch all the time.

 

That is why I'd be suprised if we got them, it would be too good if we got them, so we won't.

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It sounds like you would be satisfied with another losing season....Give me a break people....

Don't some of you at least actually want to win...Not Just 83 games either...Actually win....

 

I'm Sorry but losing out on Furcal and being happy with Lugo. That sounds like a losing season to me....

 

Lets just all be happy by bringing in average playes after we lose out on real impact players.....

 

Just Sad...

 

Kearns or HUff or Wilkerson = Hope for Lightning in bottle =2007

 

 

I would be very happy with that. I don't know how someone could be dissapointed with that.

 

Lugo - close to Furcal #'s, gives us a base threat, carreer .340 OBP

Wilkerson - lots of doubles, some power, carreer .365 OBP

Huff - doesn't stike out alot, good for 20-30 HR, carreer .342 OBP

 

Those are exactly the kind of guys we need to compliment Lee, Ramirez, Barret, Murton, ect. .

 

Good average to above average guys, with good OBP, some power and speed divided among those guys, not a whole lot of strike outs, good contact, pretty patient hitters, not swinging at the 1st pitch all the time.

 

That is why I'd be suprised if we got them, it would be too good if we got them, so we won't.

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