Trading Derrek Lee

[Mark_R]

As we go into the 2006 Season, Derrek Lee is coming off his best season and a year away from free agency.

 

Now is the time to capitalize on his maximum value. Talks for Lee's next deal will likely start out with Paul Konerko's 5/60 deal. That's a lot of money and years for a guy who will finish that contract at age 36.

 

Obviously dealing Derrek Lee would be like waving a white flag for 2006, but could save us loads of money for keeping Z, Prior, and putting other (younger players) around this ballclub. Hendry has seemingly shot the squad in the foot for 06 as it stands right now, so why not try and deal Lee while his value is at its pinnacle?

 

I realize this isn't a new idea, but I'd love to see who people think we should try and target while trying to move Derrek Lee.

[cjbucks]

We have a $100 million payroll - you can't wave a white flag with that kind of payroll. I don't see the squad as shot in the foot for 2006 - it's the 2nd of December 2005 :? Edited December 3, 2005 by cjbucks

[Bote McBoteface]

right, lets trade our best player so that we can sign some of our other players. Nevermind the fact that we would totally suck without Derrek and the other players that we are trying to save money to keep wouldn't want to be here when we finish in last place. Nevermind that little fact.

 

My god, why is it that every time somebody has success somebody wants to trade him so that we can get "max value" out of him. Thats stupid.

[B]

Albert Pujols :wink:

[Outshined_One]

I realize this isn't a new idea, but I'd love to see who people think we should try and target while trying to move Derrek Lee.

 

After the season he had, the Cubs should be demanding players on the level of Miguel Cabrera, Vlad Guerrero, or Felix Hernandez for him. We're talking either young talent that could turn into really good players down the road, or players who are established top guys in their prime with a few years left before they go downhill.

 

Even if his numbers still take a bit of a dip next season, he has the potential to be a Top 5 offensive player for the next few years along with being the best defensive first baseman in the game. I understand that first basemen are much easier to come by than other positions in terms of talent, but Lee is a special player.

[Mark_R]

I think Lee is a great player, but I don't think he'll post another season like this again. I'm honestly shocked that Lee's agent isn't posturing with Jim Hendry right now for a Paul Konerko starting point extension. That's the part that scares me. If Lee was two years younger, you wouldn't see this out of me.

[mg420]

I think Lee is a great player, but I don't think he'll post another season like this again. I'm honestly shocked that Lee's agent isn't posturing with Jim Hendry right now for a Paul Konerko starting point extension. That's the part that scares me. If Lee was two years younger, you wouldn't see this out of me.

 

he might not have another season like 05 but who cares? if he hits .300 with 35 hr's and plays a gold glove 1b he will still be worth keeping. the buy low sell high mentality doesnt always work out in favor of the seller. besides, who plays 1b if lee is traded?

[Outshined_One]

Konerko's career numbers: .279/.349/.488/.837

 

Lee's career numbers: .276/.363/.501/.864

 

Yeah, I'd say Konerko money is about where Lee should be looking. He's a couple of months older than Konerko, but he's a more productive player career-wise.

[Andy]

This is ridiculous. Are the Cards talking about trading Pujols? Are the Marlins talking about trading Cabrera? Are the Angels talking about trading Vlad?

 

Why are we talking about trading our franchise player?

[NewUserName]

I also dont think he will repeat last years success. That being said if we would trade him it better be good. For some reason I dont think we would be able to get what he is worth, so we might as well leave it alone. If by the trade deadline we are out of it we might want to consider moving him though.

[mg420]

This is ridiculous. Are the Cards talking about trading Pujols? Are the Marlins talking about trading Cabrera? Are the Angels talking about trading Vlad?

 

Why are we talking about trading our franchise player?

 

because alot of people are getting nervous because there have been no big moves yet. the winter meetings haven't even started yet! wait until the end of spring training before you start to panic!

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

no

[imb]

I dont think trading Lee would work. It's not like we're on to some secret here. He's almost 30, has a year left on his contract, and will probably never approach what he did last year.

 

A guy like that isnt going to get someone like Miggy, or Vlad or something like that, and those are the only type of guys it would make sense to trade him for.

[Mark_R]

This is ridiculous. Are the Cards talking about trading Pujols? Are the Marlins talking about trading Cabrera? Are the Angels talking about trading Vlad?

 

Why are we talking about trading our franchise player?

 

Is Pujols 30? Is Cabrera 30? Is Vlad 30 (well he almost is)?

 

Pujols is baseball's best player and is only 25 years old. Cabrera hasn't even hit arbitration yet. Vlad is in the middle of a contract that he signed when was 27 years old.

 

The situations have more factors than just on field performance.

 

Let me say, if we DO keep Derrek Lee, I will not be unhappy. I'd just like to see Hendry explore what we could get for him. And if its a package loaded with great talent, it'd be a move he should consider.

[Productive Outs]

This is ridiculous. Are the Cards talking about trading Pujols? Are the Marlins talking about trading Cabrera? Are the Angels talking about trading Vlad?

 

Why are we talking about trading our franchise player?

 

each one of those players has significantly better career numbers than derrek lee.

[USSoccer]

Konerko's career numbers: .279/.349/.488/.837

 

Lee's career numbers: .276/.363/.501/.864

 

Yeah, I'd say Konerko money is about where Lee should be looking. He's a couple of months older than Konerko, but he's a more productive player career-wise.

 

Which is why you absolutely consider moving him in the right deal. Like a deal similar to:

 

Manny/Youkilis/$6m/yr of Manny's deal

 

ARod and cash

 

I think any Lee extension will be vastly overpriced until he proves that 2005 was not a fluke.

[imb]

This is ridiculous. Are the Cards talking about trading Pujols? Are the Marlins talking about trading Cabrera? Are the Angels talking about trading Vlad?

 

Why are we talking about trading our franchise player?

 

Those are totally different scenarios. Pujols is like 25, he's the best hitter in the game, and he's signed long term.

 

Miggy is 22 and hasnt even signed his first contract.

 

Vlad is two years removed from signing his contract and has a long history of sustained success.

[USSoccer]

This is ridiculous. Are the Cards talking about trading Pujols? Are the Marlins talking about trading Cabrera? Are the Angels talking about trading Vlad?

 

Why are we talking about trading our franchise player?

 

I would argue that Z, Prior and Ramirez are better qualified to be franchise players due to their age, contract stati, and career production.

[Outshined_One]

Pujols is baseball's best player and is only 25 years old.

 

I have a bridge connecting two burroughs of New York City available for sale if you actually believe he is 25.

[Mark_R]

Pujols is baseball's best player and is only 25 years old.

 

I have a bridge connecting two burroughs of New York City available for sale if you actually believe he is 25.

 

Even if he's 28 or whatever, he's still baseball's best player.

 

If he's 40 or something, that's a different story.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

When you've gone a century w/o winning the Series, no scenario should be dismissed out of hand. I love Lee, he solves a need and has his head screwed on right. But who knows what kind of deal could surface at some point? What if Seattle decided they wanted him, and offered Felix Hernandez and Ichiro? Or Pittsburgh offers Jason Bay and Zach Duke? Or Minnesota offers Johan Santana?

 

Possibilities should always be considered at least. No one player is untouchable.

[Andy]

When you've gone a century w/o winning the Series, no scenario should be dismissed out of hand. I love Lee, he solves a need and has his head screwed on right. But who knows what kind of deal could surface at some point? What if Seattle decided they wanted him, and offered Felix Hernandez and Ichiro? Or Pittsburgh offers Jason Bay and Zach Duke? Or Minnesota offers Johan Santana?

 

Possibilities should always be considered at least. No one player is untouchable.

Well, obviously those deals would be enticing, but show me a team that will offer us all that for a guy with only one great year on his resume and I'll show you a team that's not liable to be sniffing the postseason.

[mg420]

Pujols is baseball's best player and is only 25 years old.

 

I have a bridge connecting two burroughs of New York City available for sale if you actually believe he is 25.

 

Even if he's 28 or whatever, he's still baseball's best player.

 

If he's 40 or something, that's a different story.

 

i would have to give that to arod ahead of albert. when he's play ss his defense gives him the edge over pujols imo.

[Outshined_One]

Even if he's 28 or whatever, he's still baseball's best player.

 

That I can agree with...unless Bonds comes back next season and tears the cover off the ball (again).

 

Personally, I think Pujols is closer to 30 than 25, but still under 30.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Outshined_One

[USSoccer]

When you've gone a century w/o winning the Series, no scenario should be dismissed out of hand. I love Lee, he solves a need and has his head screwed on right. But who knows what kind of deal could surface at some point? What if Seattle decided they wanted him, and offered Felix Hernandez and Ichiro? Or Pittsburgh offers Jason Bay and Zach Duke? Or Minnesota offers Johan Santana?

 

Possibilities should always be considered at least. No one player is untouchable.

Well, obviously those deals would be enticing, but show me a team that will offer us all that for a guy with only one great year on his resume and I'll show you a team that's not liable to be sniffing the postseason.

 

I guarantee you if you offered Lee and Williams to Boston for Manny Ramirez, cash and Youkilis, they'd think long and hard about making that deal.