Cards Offer Burnett 4/40

[CubRock2]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

[mul21]

Somebody on their message board at the post dispatch is saying espnews is reporting the burnett to cardinals deal is close to done.

[ManEatingTarp]

Yes, the Cards #1 negotiating tactic is the lure of Mullets. Not that we're making any broad sweeping generalizations about the population of an entire city or anything...

Playing for a winning team that is offering fair market value has nothing to do with it. Of course they only win because they're "lucky".

[SouthSideRyan]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

[Magnetic Curses]

Yes, the Cards #1 negotiating tactic is the lure of Mullets. Not that we're making any broad sweeping generalizations about the population of an entire city or anything...

Playing for a winning team that is offering fair market value has nothing to do with it. Of course they only win because they're "lucky".

 

i don't think that there's any doubt that the cards win because they're good, but you can't deny that all of thier fans are basically hillbillies. :P

[Magnetic Curses]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

 

i must come to burnett's defense here, he's only had one injury. although i'd take a healthy wood over him any day.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

Yes, the Cards #1 negotiating tactic is the lure of Mullets. Not that we're making any broad sweeping generalizations about the population of an entire city or anything...

Playing for a winning team that is offering fair market value has nothing to do with it. Of course they only win because they're "lucky".

 

i don't think that there's any doubt that the cards win because they're good, but you can't deny that all of thier fans are basically hillbillies. :P

 

Get a brain moran.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

 

i must come to burnett's defense here, he's only had one injury. although i'd take a healthy wood over him any day.

 

I thought I read that Burnett had 2 TJS's?

 

2001: 173.1 IP

2002: 204.1 IP

2003: 23 IP

2004: 120 IP

2005: 209 IP

[Blueheart05]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

 

BINGO!

 

I've been saying that all along (it has nothing to do with the Cardinals interest in Burnett). The contract offers to him are way out of step with his durability. Frankly, 3 years guaranteed might be a stretch and rumor has it he was 5 years.

:lol:

[Blueheart05]

Oh yeah, for all the Wood bashers that say he's no good because he's never won more than 14 games, Burnett has never won more than 12 games in his career.

[Magnetic Curses]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

 

i must come to burnett's defense here, he's only had one injury. although i'd take a healthy wood over him any day.

 

I thought I read that Burnett had 2 TJS's?

 

2001: 173.1 IP

2002: 204.1 IP

2003: 23 IP

2004: 120 IP

2005: 209 IP

 

these numbers only leave room for one surgery.

[Blueheart05]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

 

i must come to burnett's defense here, he's only had one injury. although i'd take a healthy wood over him any day.

 

I thought I read that Burnett had 2 TJS's?

 

2001: 173.1 IP

2002: 204.1 IP

2003: 23 IP

2004: 120 IP

2005: 209 IP

 

Yes I believe in 2000 & 2003

Edited December 2, 2005 by Blueheart05

[Magnetic Curses]

Yes, the Cards #1 negotiating tactic is the lure of Mullets. Not that we're making any broad sweeping generalizations about the population of an entire city or anything...

Playing for a winning team that is offering fair market value has nothing to do with it. Of course they only win because they're "lucky".

 

i don't think that there's any doubt that the cards win because they're good, but you can't deny that all of thier fans are basically hillbillies. :P

 

Get a brain moran.

 

:lol: :lol:

[CubRock2]

Sorry Tarp... just being a little silly/jealous.

 

The $$ AJ's bound to get is ridiculous. But I think the Cards are infatuated with the idea of front-line pitching, and since the market is thin elsewhere, overpaying for Burnett isn't exactly the worst thing. I can't imagine people want to work with Walt Jocketty as easily as in the past (he's really hosed some people, in retrospect), so trading may not be easy right now either. Plus, who wants to make a team that's won 205 games in the last 2 years better?

 

If the Cards are going to overpay, it makes sense to do it in pitching. A Rotation of (if healthy and at peak performance - two BIG ifs) Carpenter, Mulder, Burnett, Suppan, and Anthony Reyes could be very, very sick. Not that I think they'll all stay healthy, or will it last beyond this year, but STL would only have about $30 mil spent on a real good rotation, even with the Burnett signing (if it happens).

[Blueheart05]

It didn't dawn on me until late last night how insane the Burnett contract offers are. Can you imagine the outrage next year if the Cubs signed Wood to a 4/40 deal? Wood has the better historical #s and Burnett isn't exactly Cal Ripken when it comes to health.

 

i must come to burnett's defense here, he's only had one injury. although i'd take a healthy wood over him any day.

 

I thought I read that Burnett had 2 TJS's?

 

2001: 173.1 IP

2002: 204.1 IP

2003: 23 IP

2004: 120 IP

2005: 209 IP

 

these numbers only leave room for one surgery.

 

In 2000:

Suffered a complete rupture of his ulnar collateral ligament in his right thumb during pitcher's fielding practice on Tuesday, March 14 in Melbourne, FL... surgery was performed on March 21 by Dr. Brian Fingado at Holy Cross Hospital in Fort Lauderdale.

 

Link

 

In 2003:

 

Saw his season end after four starts and an 0-2 record (4.70 ERA) as he underwent Tommy John surgery on his right elbow on April 29... the surgery to repair the torn elbow ligament was performed in a 90-minute procedure by Dr. James Andrews in Birmingham, Alabama... estimated recovery and rehabilitation time is approximately 12-18 months for Tommy John patients.

 

Link

[nick23]

I think I read somewhere that he's been put on the DL 5 times between 2002 and 2005. He may have had only 1 surgery but he's sure not the picture of durability.

[snoodmonger]

Sounds like a pretty big gamble. I didn't realize he'd had two TJs.

[Inthecards]

I think I read somewhere that he's been put on the DL 5 times between 2002 and 2005. He may have had only 1 surgery but he's sure not the picture of durability.

 

just asking how many times has kerry been on the dl?

[PieOnMyHands]

The free agent market right now is a joke. Let's take a look...

 

- Kevin Millwood got a 1 year, $7 million deal after having a 4.85 ERA in 2004.

- Matt Morris is on the verge of signing for 3 years at $8 million.

- Esteban Loiaza just got 3 years at nearly $7 million.

- Eric Milton is set to make $8.5 million in 2006...

- Russ Ortiz made over $7 million in 2005.

 

See where I'm going with this? Look at what Eyre and Howry got.

 

Fact is that if you get your pitching through free agency, you inevitably overpay. That's just the way things are. Burnett at $10 million is bad, right? But is it really horrendous, when Matt Morris is getting $8 million? Or when Eric Milton is getting $8.5 million? I'll spend a couple extra million, because Burnett has the potential to be significantly better than those two, and everyone on that list up above, for that matter.

 

I think the Cardinals are in a unique situation. They're going into a new stadium and have got some extra money floating around. Great attendance in 2005... While Bill DeWitt (Cardinals owner) said payroll will remain the same, I think that's a bit of a smokescreen. If the right guy comes around, he'll open his wallet and allow us to make the move, even if it means us going over the "salary cap." Apparently Jocketty and La Russa have convinced him that Burnett is that caliber player.

 

I don't know what to think about Burnett. I certainly like the idea of him blowing his heat by hitters in St. Louis, though. Is he an injury risk? Yeah, he is. Am a little scared he could be the Cardinals version of Kerry Wood? Of course. But this is almost like playing with free money here, and it's worth the risk.

 

I've heard the deal could be three years, and barring those seasons are ravaged by severe injuries, he'll easily get automated options picked up. I've also heard something like 750 IP over 4 season results in a 5th year being picked up. Who knows? It's all speculation.

 

I hope Burnett takes a "home town discount" and signs in St. Louis. Carpenter, Mulder, Burnett is one hell of a 1-2-3...

 

I'm optimistic.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I think I read somewhere that he's been put on the DL 5 times between 2002 and 2005. He may have had only 1 surgery but he's sure not the picture of durability.

 

just asking how many times has kerry been on the dl?

 

That's relevant.

[Inthecards]

The free agent market right now is a joke. Let's take a look...

 

- Kevin Millwood got a 1 year, $7 million deal after having a 4.85 ERA in 2004.

- Matt Morris is on the verge of signing for 3 years at $8 million.

- Esteban Loiaza just got 3 years at nearly $7 million.

- Eric Milton is set to make $8.5 million in 2006...

- Russ Ortiz made over $7 million in 2005.

 

See where I'm going with this? Look at what Eyre and Howry got.

 

Fact is that if you get your pitching through free agency, you inevitably overpay. That's just the way things are. Burnett at $10 million is bad, right? But is it really horrendous, when Matt Morris is getting $8 million? Or when Eric Milton is getting $8.5 million? I'll spend a couple extra million, because Burnett has the potential to be significantly better than those two, and everyone on that list up above, for that matter.

 

I think the Cardinals are in a unique situation. They're going into a new stadium and have got some extra money floating around. Great attendance in 2005... While Bill DeWitt (Cardinals owner) said payroll will remain the same, I think that's a bit of a smokescreen. If the right guy comes around, he'll open his wallet and allow us to make the move, even if it means us going over the "salary cap." Apparently Jocketty and La Russa have convinced him that Burnett is that caliber player.

 

I don't know what to think about Burnett. I certainly like the idea of him blowing his heat by hitters in St. Louis, though. Is he an injury risk? Yeah, he is. Am a little scared he could be the Cardinals version of Kerry Wood? Of course. But this is almost like playing with free money here, and it's worth the risk.

 

I've heard the deal could be three years, and barring those seasons are ravaged by severe injuries, he'll easily get automated options picked up. I've also heard something like 750 IP over 4 season results in a 5th year being picked up. Who knows? It's all speculation.

 

I hope Burnett takes a "home town discount" and signs in St. Louis. Carpenter, Mulder, Burnett is one hell of a 1-2-3...

 

I'm optimistic.

 

 

this is what I am afraid of but like you said..(to make it relevant)...supply drives the price of demand in everything.

 

OT do you think and extension for mulder will follow IF and IF we sign AJ?

Edited December 2, 2005 by Inthecards

[The Voice of Reason]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers

 

 

before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

 

 

Apparently the Cards threw in a Tractor and a House with a Cement Pond to seal the deal.

[CubinNY]

Apparently, dude grew up a Cards fan in Arkansas. It apprears that the Cards are hoping the mullet memories are so strong, he'll take a little less to be a hillbilly again.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/stories.nsf/cardinals/story/E742A5F5027284D1862570CB001F9F6F?OpenDocument

 

The Cardinals officially have placed themselves in contention for free-agent pitcher A.J. Burnett by breaking precedent with a four-year offer worth almost $10 million per season, sources confirmed Thursday night.

 

Burnett, the centerpiece of the Cardinals' offseason planning so far, is considered the most attractive talent within a relatively thin free-agent pool. The Arkansas native is expected to decide among several offers

 

 

before Major League Baseball's winter meetings convene Monday in Dallas.

 

If the Cards expect that Monday "deadline" to be a promise, they're really, really dumb. Setting a deadline the day Winter Meetings begin is a pretty obvious negotiation move.

 

 

Apparently the Cards threw in a Tractor and a House with a Cement Pond to seal the deal.

 

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Blueheart05]

I think I read somewhere that he's been put on the DL 5 times between 2002 and 2005. He may have had only 1 surgery but he's sure not the picture of durability.

 

just asking how many times has kerry been on the dl?

 

Kerry isn't a FA and not in question. :wink:

[goonys evil twin]

The free agent market right now is a joke. Let's take a look...

 

- Kevin Millwood got a 1 year, $7 million deal after having a 4.85 ERA in 2004.

- Matt Morris is on the verge of signing for 3 years at $8 million.

- Esteban Loiaza just got 3 years at nearly $7 million.

- Eric Milton is set to make $8.5 million in 2006...

- Russ Ortiz made over $7 million in 2005.

 

See where I'm going with this? Look at what Eyre and Howry got.

 

Fact is that if you get your pitching through free agency, you inevitably overpay. That's just the way things are. Burnett at $10 million is bad, right? But is it really horrendous, when Matt Morris is getting $8 million? Or when Eric Milton is getting $8.5 million? I'll spend a couple extra million, because Burnett has the potential to be significantly better than those two, and everyone on that list up above, for that matter.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with a 1/$10m deal for Burnett. The problem is the rumors are for 4 or 5 years, which is absurd. Wood signed what was basically a 3/30 extension a couple years ago. Last year's free agent market pretty much set the price for pitching at 3/27. Only Pedro and Pavano got 4 years, going to crazy free spending big market teams, one of which was about to launch a new cable channel to compete with YES. But he's Pedro has been a great pitcher for years. Burnett has upside, and he's had 2 very good seasons, he's never been dominant for a full season, he's had his limited success in a strong pitcher's park, he's had a couple major surgeries, and he's been on the DL a lot. 4 years is extremely risky for him.