Giles Re-Signs in San Diego @ 3/30

[Drew Doughty]

The ever rare quintuple post...very nice, CubinNY! :lol:

 

The board is on the DL :)

 

Kerry Wood'D?

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I liked Giles but his age really scared me. He was going to be 35 and getting at least 3 years. That's a scary territory.

 

Even if Giles is 70% as effective he still is only making 10 mill/year. In three years that probably won't be that much for a putting up those numbers.

 

He was the perfect fit. I understand if he wasn't interested in leaving the WC. Maybe Hendry knew and that is why he didn't persue, who knows.

I agree, Giles would have been a perfect fit. However, as the BJ's found out, you can't force someone to take your offer, even if it was almost twice the amount the Pads offered. My guess is that Giles was never really considering leaving SD.

[E.J.]

I liked Giles but his age really scared me. He was going to be 35 and getting at least 3 years. That's a scary territory.

 

Even if Giles is 70% as effective he still is only making 10 mill/year. In three years that probably won't be that much for a putting up those numbers.

 

He was the perfect fit. I understand if he wasn't interested in leaving the WC. Maybe Hendry knew and that is why he didn't persue, who knows.

I agree, Giles would have been a perfect fit. However, as the BJ's found out, you can't force someone to take your offer, even if it was almost twice the amount the Pads offered. My guess is that Giles was never really considering leaving SD.

 

Jay's GM vehemently denied that he offered 5 years and $50 million to Giles.

[WrigleyField 22]

It is a month more then they've paid Tim for the privilage of posting that nonsense here.

 

I'm sure you didn't mean anything by that comment, but I find it sort of offensive. The way its states makes it seem like you're saying non-premium members are somehow less important, or don't care as much. If I had the money I would gladly pay for Premium, it's a great site.

 

I have posted here a while, since 2003. Eventually maybe I'll be able to fork over the money for Premium, but for the time being, I'm just a 'regular' member. Hopefully its okay for guys like me to 'post nonsense' here.

[WrigleyField 22]

Can all the "Hendry is so stupid" comments stop now? It was clear he wanted to stay in San Diego for less years and less money. I know it's an amazing stretch, but Hendry *might* be more in the know than NSBB.com posters.

 

I for one am glad Hendry was looking working on other options. Hopefully we get Furcal and trade for a RF.

 

great post. i agree 100%. of course some know-it-alls on this board said no way giles doesnt go to the highest because its all about $ but apparently they were incorrect.

 

When the board starts working better I'd appreciate it if either of you to coould produce even one post where anyone here said any of the things I've bolded.

 

If you can find even one post I will pay for each of you to have a months worth of premium membership.

 

=; you big spender :)

 

It is a month more then they've paid Tim for the privilage of posting that nonsense here.

[RynoRules]

I liked Giles but his age really scared me. He was going to be 35 and getting at least 3 years. That's a scary territory.

 

Even if Giles is 70% as effective he still is only making 10 mill/year. In three years that probably won't be that much for a putting up those numbers.

He was the perfect fit. I understand if he wasn't interested in leaving the WC. Maybe Hendry knew and that is why he didn't persue, who knows.

 

Hope you are wrong about that; that would be a record amount of inflation.

 

Its too bad that we were not able to get him, but I also hope that those of you who have been killing Hendry for not participating (even though none of us know whether he did or did not) will reconsider in light of Giles decision.

[CubinNY]

It is a month more then they've paid Tim for the privilage of posting that nonsense here.

 

I'm sure you didn't mean anything by that comment, but I find it sort of offensive. The way its states makes it seem like you're saying non-premium members are somehow less important, or don't care as much. If I had the money I would gladly pay for Premium, it's a great site.

 

I have posted here a while, since 2003. Eventually maybe I'll be able to fork over the money for Premium, but for the time being, I'm just a 'regular' member. Hopefully its okay for guys like me to 'post nonsense' here.

 

I don't think you should take it personally. It was an attack on the posts that those two made.

 

It really didn't have much to do with non-premium members vs. premium members. It had to do with inflamitory posts that had little basis in reality.

[Blueheart05]

The only thing I can say about Giles is the idea that any team would have given him 5 years, at his age, is ridiculous. The speculation about his "worth," in the FA market, was way out of step with reality. Also, I don't think he wanted to leave Padres.

[WrigleyField 22]

It is a month more then they've paid Tim for the privilage of posting that nonsense here.

 

I'm sure you didn't mean anything by that comment, but I find it sort of offensive. The way its states makes it seem like you're saying non-premium members are somehow less important, or don't care as much. If I had the money I would gladly pay for Premium, it's a great site.

 

I have posted here a while, since 2003. Eventually maybe I'll be able to fork over the money for Premium, but for the time being, I'm just a 'regular' member. Hopefully its okay for guys like me to 'post nonsense' here.

 

I don't think you should take it personally. It was an attack on the posts that those two made.

 

It really didn't have much to do with non-premium members vs. premium members. It had to do with inflamitory posts that had little basis in reality.

 

Its what I figured, but when you attack someone/thing and also mention non-premium, it sure looks like a generalized accusation of non-premium members not contributing to the board as much.

[CubfaninCA]

Gee not a surprise whatsoever that Giles stays in SoCal.

 

All that fussing and ripping for nothing. :o

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Gee not a surprise whatsoever that Giles stays in SoCal.

 

All that fussing and ripping for nothing. :o

 

how's that? if hendry would have showed interest it would have changed the market for Giles.

 

i believe certain people were advocating the acquistion of Marcus Giles from Atlanta to pry him away from SD. this wasn't unexpected.

[BigbadB]

Gee not a surprise whatsoever that Giles stays in SoCal.

 

All that fussing and ripping for nothing. :o

 

So, the Cubs should have never even bothered looking at a free agent because of his desire to stay where he's at?

 

How many stories have I read now that Furcal wants to stay in Atlanta because he's in love with Bobby Cox?

 

Should Hendry have never even hinted that he was interested in Furcal, just the same way he never hinted he had any interest in Giles?

 

I mean, both have made it known they would prefer to stay where their at.

 

Giles really blew my doors off. I was pretty convinced he wouldn't come back to San Diego. With the way management treated him, Hoffman and Ramon Hernandez, I'm not sure why he would. Right now, I'm penciling San Diego in for 4th place next year even with the announcement that Giles is coming back. The Dodgers will be better. The Giants will be better. Arizona will be better. Take away a few of those game that they won in a row in the heart of summer, and this team is under .500 for the season. They have 15m rapped up in Woody Williams and Chan Ho Park for 2006.

 

I'll readily admit that I was wrong in commenting that Giles would not be back in San Diego. But, I don't need you rubbing mine or anyone else's noses in it.

 

If the Cubs were in negotiations to get him and he wouldn't come anyway, then I could live with it. The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

With guys like Bradley, Pierre, Wilkerson and Lugo available for potential lead off hitters, finding a lead off hitter was not going to be nearly as difficult as finding someone who could even remotely come close to Brian Giles production.

 

"I told you so's" have nothing to do with "baseball discussion". Brag to your family if you must.

[RynoRules]

I don't think he/she was attempting to rub anyone's nose in it. CubFanIn CA feels as I did and do that Giles was never realistically going to consider Chi., otherwise Hendry might have gotten involved. In other words, the apparent (note that I used a qualifier) fact that Hendry did not get involved indicates to me that JH had info which lead him to believe that either:

1) Giles had no intention of leaving SoCal; or

2) To get him to leave, you'd have to offer a ridiculous amount of years and money.

 

I like Giles very much, but I was never counting on getting him.

[TarzanJoeWallis]

The ever rare quintuple post...very nice, CubinNY! :lol:

 

The board is on the DL :)

 

Does this mean the board will soon be pitching in a simulated game?

[BigbadB]

I don't think he/she was attempting to rub anyone's nose in it. CubFanIn CA feels as I did and do that Giles was never realistically going to consider Chi., otherwise Hendry might have gotten involved. In other words, the apparent (note that I used a qualifier) fact that Hendry did not get involved indicates to me that JH had info which lead him to believe that either:

1) Giles had no intention of leaving SoCal; or

2) To get him to leave, you'd have to offer a ridiculous amount of years and money.

 

I like Giles very much, but I was never counting on getting him.

 

Furcal loves Atlanta. Giles loves San Diego.

 

Hendry has aggressively pursued Furcal. Hendry has not even remotely pursued Giles.

 

What would have been the harm if Hendry aggresively pursued Giles? Was he afraid he might lure Giles away from San Diego? Oh, the horror. Or did he have some particular reason to not, at minimum, help drive up Giles price even more. The Giles offer from Toronto can't be used as an excuse in any way. It's another league, another country and a team that will probably never be much of a pennant threat as long as they share a division with the Yankees and Boston.

 

I don't disrespect your opinion in anyway. But what I take offense to is "all that fussing and ripping for nothing" comment. It isn't needed. It isn't welcome.

 

If Hendry out of the blue signed Giles to big money, I wouldn't be on here saying "I told you so" or "Giles fans can shut up now" or whatever the hidden agenda message he was attempting to relay. There are other message boards for that.

 

If someone is tired of listening to me clamor for a Giles signing, ignore me. I've been waiting for a Cubs World Series for 42 years and I've seen a lot of bad baseball in that span. With 100m to spend on a team, I see no reason why they couldn't offer up 12-14m of that for the most obvious, glaring hole this team has had since Ron Santo left. I'm sorry if you don't agree that Brian Giles should have been the most sought after player this offseason. But save the "all that fussing and ripping for nothing" holier than thou crap. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

I think the Cubs can still win without landing Giles. But, I think it becomes harder to do. I certainly won't be calling anyone out if we don't make the playoffs with Furcal, whereas we might have with Giles. I'll just be that much madder at Cubs management for not aggressively pursuing the players that could help this team win the most.

 

Interestingly enough, we now have Dusty commenting that this team will not be able to win with two rookies in the line up. Huh. Murton is a given. Apparently, Neifi Perez will assume 2nd base when Walker gets traded.

 

Pardon me, while I go finish losing my mind.

[CUBZ99]

Is Murton still a rookie?

[Bruno7481]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

Honestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

[USSoccer]

Is Murton still a rookie?

 

As far as Dusty thinks, yeah, probably. I think Murton gets more rope than the Choi's and Dubois's got when they were here, given how well he performed in his 150AB's, but Dusty is still Dusty, so I see a scenario where Murton sits against tough RHP unless he's absolutely tearing it up.

 

I see no reason why Murton can't put up a .280/15/65 line while putting up a .350+ OBP.

[DougDascenzo]

I don't think he/she was attempting to rub anyone's nose in it. CubFanIn CA feels as I did and do that Giles was never realistically going to consider Chi., otherwise Hendry might have gotten involved. In other words, the apparent (note that I used a qualifier) fact that Hendry did not get involved indicates to me that JH had info which lead him to believe that either:

1) Giles had no intention of leaving SoCal; or

2) To get him to leave, you'd have to offer a ridiculous amount of years and money.

 

I like Giles very much, but I was never counting on getting him.

 

Furcal loves Atlanta. Giles loves San Diego.

 

Hendry has aggressively pursued Furcal. Hendry has not even remotely pursued Giles.

 

What would have been the harm if Hendry aggresively pursued Giles? Was he afraid he might lure Giles away from San Diego? Oh, the horror. Or did he have some particular reason to not, at minimum, help drive up Giles price even more. The Giles offer from Toronto can't be used as an excuse in any way. It's another league, another country and a team that will probably never be much of a pennant threat as long as they share a division with the Yankees and Boston.

 

.

 

Perhaps it would have sent the wrong message to Furcal, that being: You're not our only #1 interest this offseason

 

this combined with any possible info Hendry had about the unlikelihood of Giles actually signing in Chicago is surely what lead to the aggresive pursuit of Furcal

 

 

In other words: not pursuing Giles made Furcal feel more wanted, thus maximizing the possibility of getting at least 1 of the two....

 

If he goes after both, maybe he gets neither...

 

Just a theory i cooked up

[badger1679666666]

I don't think he/she was attempting to rub anyone's nose in it. CubFanIn CA feels as I did and do that Giles was never realistically going to consider Chi., otherwise Hendry might have gotten involved. In other words, the apparent (note that I used a qualifier) fact that Hendry did not get involved indicates to me that JH had info which lead him to believe that either:

1) Giles had no intention of leaving SoCal; or

2) To get him to leave, you'd have to offer a ridiculous amount of years and money.

 

I like Giles very much, but I was never counting on getting him.

 

Furcal loves Atlanta. Giles loves San Diego.

 

Hendry has aggressively pursued Furcal. Hendry has not even remotely pursued Giles.

 

What would have been the harm if Hendry aggresively pursued Giles? Was he afraid he might lure Giles away from San Diego? Oh, the horror. Or did he have some particular reason to not, at minimum, help drive up Giles price even more. The Giles offer from Toronto can't be used as an excuse in any way. It's another league, another country and a team that will probably never be much of a pennant threat as long as they share a division with the Yankees and Boston.

 

I don't disrespect your opinion in anyway. But what I take offense to is "all that fussing and ripping for nothing" comment. It isn't needed. It isn't welcome.

 

If Hendry out of the blue signed Giles to big money, I wouldn't be on here saying "I told you so" or "Giles fans can shut up now" or whatever the hidden agenda message he was attempting to relay. There are other message boards for that.

 

If someone is tired of listening to me clamor for a Giles signing, ignore me. I've been waiting for a Cubs World Series for 42 years and I've seen a lot of bad baseball in that span. With 100m to spend on a team, I see no reason why they couldn't offer up 12-14m of that for the most obvious, glaring hole this team has had since Ron Santo left. I'm sorry if you don't agree that Brian Giles should have been the most sought after player this offseason. But save the "all that fussing and ripping for nothing" holier than thou crap. That's all I'm trying to say.

 

I think the Cubs can still win without landing Giles. But, I think it becomes harder to do. I certainly won't be calling anyone out if we don't make the playoffs with Furcal, whereas we might have with Giles. I'll just be that much madder at Cubs management for not aggressively pursuing the players that could help this team win the most.

 

Interestingly enough, we now have Dusty commenting that this team will not be able to win with two rookies in the line up. Huh. Murton is a given. Apparently, Neifi Perez will assume 2nd base when Walker gets traded.

 

Pardon me, while I go finish losing my mind.

 

Maybe he knew something the general managers at NSBB.com didn't know. The fact that he had a much better shot at Furcal than Giles, which appears to be the point. I'd rather him go gung ho for a guy we have a chance at, than waste time for a guy who we don't. I'm sure Hendry felt the same way.

[SCCubbieFAN]

I think it is safe to say that no one who posts on this board, including Hoops and Bruce Miles, has the precise inside information as to why or why not the Cubs/Hendry appeared to show no interest at all in Giles. We fans don't know exactly what goes on behind the scenes/what goes on beyond what is reported in the media. We do know that several teams have been showing interest in Furcal, we know the perameters his agent has set, we know some teams Furcal might be interested in going to/staying with, yet it was recently reported that no team has made a formal offer yet. Using that as an example, can we assume/speculate that Hendry early on made an inquiry into whether Giles might be willing to move to the midwest and for a reasonable sum and contract length? Is it reasonable to assume Hendry's underlings had enough inside info that lead Hendry to conclude pursuing Giles at any price was a waste of time?

 

We can get mad at Hendry and the Cubs for not even trying to get Giles but the reality is we will probably never know what, if anything, Hendry/the Cubs did behind the scenes that kept them away from any public display of affection for Giles.

[badger1679666666]

Gee not a surprise whatsoever that Giles stays in SoCal.

 

All that fussing and ripping for nothing. :o

 

I don't think you should take it personally. It was an attack on the posts that those two made.

 

It really didn't have much to do with non-premium members vs. premium members. It had to do with inflamitory posts that had little basis in reality.

 

Whatever. I guess you'll pay for CubfaninCA's month of premium too? I know I've read posts alluding to the fact that Hendry was a moron/idiot/stupid for not going after giles. IF you really want that bet, fine with me. I'll take a free month of premium. Even if those specific words weren't used, there were significant allusions to Hendry going after crappy mid-level medicore pen help instead of Giles and that being stupid(and even Furcal though this was much much much more rare).

 

All I'm saying (if a regular non-premium, lower caste member of NSBB.com is allowed to) is that people that jumped all over Hendry might have acted too soon. It's entirely probable that he knew somehow, someway, that it would be more of a waste of time to try for a guy that was 95% set on staying SD than Furcal who had friends in Chicago and had some overtures with the Chicago ballclub indicating *some* interest. Further, it's probably that Hendry knows more than we do, and he isn't an idiot, moron, or stupid - though he might be unsucessful at times and make questionable movies.

[Careless]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

[bHonestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? [/b]If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

Because we were watching carefully. If he had shown it, we would have seen it.

[badger1679666666]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

[bHonestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? [/b]If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

Because we were watching carefully. If he had shown it, we would have seen it.

 

I really don't think you know everything Hendry does, or hear everything Hendry heres, or are privy to all the knowledge of ongoings that Hendry is. Maybe you are poster with real connections, but otherwise you really don't know unless Hendry makes it obvious.

[Careless]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

[bHonestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? [/b]If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

Because we were watching carefully. If he had shown it, we would have seen it.

 

I really don't think you know everything Hendry does, or hear everything Hendry heres, or are privy to all the knowledge of ongoings that Hendry is. Maybe you are poster with real connections, but otherwise you really don't know unless Hendry makes it obvious.

"show" is 4 letters long. 1 syllable. It's one of the first few hundred words most english speakers learn. Why don't you understand it?