Giles Re-Signs in San Diego @ 3/30

[CubfaninCA]

Gee not a surprise whatsoever that Giles remains in SoCal.

 

So much for all the fussing and griping.

[badger1679666666]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

[bHonestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? [/b]If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

Because we were watching carefully. If he had shown it, we would have seen it.

 

I really don't think you know everything Hendry does, or hear everything Hendry heres, or are privy to all the knowledge of ongoings that Hendry is. Maybe you are poster with real connections, but otherwise you really don't know unless Hendry makes it obvious.

"show" is 4 letters long. 1 syllable. It's one of the first few hundred words most english speakers learn. Why don't you understand it?

 

I understand it, I just didn't read the first post Bruno had. No need to be an ass about it. And clearly if you read my post, you'd realize I don't know the english language very well. :shock:

[brinoch]

All I'm saying (if a regular non-premium, lower caste member of NSBB.com is allowed to)...

 

I've seen two or three threads with this sort of statement in it recently, and I really don't want to see such posts again. A person's premium/non-premium status has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to post, make statements or otherwise influence NSBB. And it never will. There is no "caste system" here, nor will there be one. There are many benefits of Premium membership, but it does not "buy" credibility, nor does it "buy" status. Tim, as I'm sure you might imagine, understands that NSBB members come from all walks of life, and from many different economic situations. We have students, retirees, attorneys, journalists, government workers, teachers, techies, soldiers, baseball players and a host of other professions as members on this board.

 

One's reputation is made on the strength of their words, as well as the depth of their knowledge. So, if you aren't a premium member, don't worry. Respect is earned, not purchased.

 

On another note, the tone of this thread has gone way downhill. I recognize that people are a little contentious and perhaps frustrated right now. However, I suggest that people stop with the nastiness. No more calling people out. No more poking people. No more generalizations.

 

Stop it. Now.

 

The negative atmosphere and the negative attitudes are becoming too much, and are driving people away.

[CubfaninCA]

Gee not a surprise whatsoever that Giles stays in SoCal.

 

All that fussing and ripping for nothing. :o

 

So, the Cubs should have never even bothered looking at a free agent because of his desire to stay where he's at?

 

How many stories have I read now that Furcal wants to stay in Atlanta because he's in love with Bobby Cox?

 

Should Hendry have never even hinted that he was interested in Furcal, just the same way he never hinted he had any interest in Giles?

 

I mean, both have made it known they would prefer to stay where their at.

 

Giles really blew my doors off. I was pretty convinced he wouldn't come back to San Diego. With the way management treated him, Hoffman and Ramon Hernandez, I'm not sure why he would. Right now, I'm penciling San Diego in for 4th place next year even with the announcement that Giles is coming back. The Dodgers will be better. The Giants will be better. Arizona will be better. Take away a few of those game that they won in a row in the heart of summer, and this team is under .500 for the season. They have 15m rapped up in Woody Williams and Chan Ho Park for 2006.

 

I'll readily admit that I was wrong in commenting that Giles would not be back in San Diego. But, I don't need you rubbing mine or anyone else's noses in it.

 

If the Cubs were in negotiations to get him and he wouldn't come anyway, then I could live with it. The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

With guys like Bradley, Pierre, Wilkerson and Lugo available for potential lead off hitters, finding a lead off hitter was not going to be nearly as difficult as finding someone who could even remotely come close to Brian Giles production.

 

"I told you so's" have nothing to do with "baseball discussion". Brag to your family if you must.

 

You're WAY to sensitive man.

[CubfaninCA]

I tried to edit the last two posts. Didn't realize my post made it earlier. Not trying to hurt anyone's feeling here.

[CubfaninCA]

There were a lot more teams in the horse race for Giles. Why should Hendry spend his time "driving up the market" when there's such a small chance of getting Giles? I see no reason to drive up the price just for the helluva it.

 

Again you guys are creating strawmen...

[BigbadB]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

Honestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

 

I don't know. But, since we hear just about every little tidbit of this or that, I don't know why we wouldn't have at least heard that Hendry would be slightly interested. Maybe I'm way off base. Rumor Central on ESPN never listed the Cubs next to Brian Giles name as an interested party.

 

If I was Brian Giles, would I want to come to the Cubs? Maybe not. They've already got their token playoff appearance this decade. But at the same time, Giles will be hurting his own lifetime stats playing at Petco, and I'm not sure San Diego will see a pennant again this decade.

 

We hear that Hendry is interested in Mench, Soriano, Bradley, Pierre, Furcal, Eyre, Howry and just about every other free agent, but nary a word about Brian Giles. We know Brian Giles is a base clogger. We know he can't catch the ball as good as Neifi or Bradley or Furcal. We also heard Hendry say that he didn't want to get into a bidding war for Giles, yet he's in the middle of a bidding war for Furcal for more years and now possibly more money.

 

Giles has always killed the ball in Wrigley. He'd get to do that 81 times a year, and when he isn't home, he's spending most of his time hitting in GAP, PNC, Minute Maid, Miller and the new Busch. Offense city. And he would have gotten to hit right between Lee and Aramis. Maybe he didn't have fond memories of playing with Aramis.

 

I'm not against a Furcal signing by any means. I would have loved to have both, but money probably wasn't there for both. In that case, make offers for both players. Go as high as you can for each one and the one who signs first is who you get.

 

I don't know that Giles didn't want to come here and I don't know that Hendry didn't want him here. I do know that when a team wants a guy, you usually hear about it somewhere.

 

The Cubs may be getting played in this whole Furcal fiasco. He may end up driving up Atlanta's price so he can go back home. All that time and effort for a guy who had no intentions of coming here. All I was asking was for the same attention to Giles. If neither came, so be it. At least we knew he tried.

[BigbadB]

You're WAY to sensitive man.

 

And there you go again. Sensitivity is not a baseball discussion. I certainly don't need you to tell me what I am or am not.

 

I'm not sensitive. I'm angry. I'm angry that you know the rules for posting on this site, yet you ignore them. When you ignore them, the guy next to you thinks it's okay to ignore them, and his fifty friends then think it's okay to ignore them, next thing you know, there is chaos.

 

Chaos belongs on that "other" site. People at this site came here to get away from that. Some even pay money to not have to listen to bickering, name calling, and general non baseball related material.

 

What I'm saying is stop with the insults. I came back from my holiday trip and every thread I opened had personal attacks and insults, and I'm tired of it.

 

I happen to respect you as a poster here. I can respect differing opinions. I can respect that you stick to your guns. But, what I don't respect are jabs and insults simply because someone doesn't agree with your line of thinking. I was extremely angry at your comment a week ago about "daily whining". A direct attack at those who don't agree with you.

 

Keep it baseball. Further attacks on a poster or a group of posters will likely result in penalty.

[cjbucks]

The fact Hendry showed no interest whatsoever doesn't make you right at all. It just shows Hendry is so much more interested in a lead off hitter than a good heart of the order hitter, that he ignored the one player who would have given the Cubs the most improvement in offensive production.

 

 

Honestly, how do we know Hendry showed no interest in Giles? If this was reported, or Hendry commented I apologize, this is an honest question.

 

Just because it was written about doesn't mean he wasn't interested. Hendry could have called Giles and Giles could have simply said, "Hey, I appreciate the offer but I'm not interested in moving to Chicago."

 

I don't know. But, since we hear just about every little tidbit of this or that, I don't know why we wouldn't have at least heard that Hendry would be slightly interested. Maybe I'm way off base. Rumor Central on ESPN never listed the Cubs next to Brian Giles name as an interested party.

 

If I was Brian Giles, would I want to come to the Cubs? Maybe not. They've already got their token playoff appearance this decade. But at the same time, Giles will be hurting his own lifetime stats playing at Petco, and I'm not sure San Diego will see a pennant again this decade.

 

We hear that Hendry is interested in Mench, Soriano, Bradley, Pierre, Furcal, Eyre, Howry and just about every other free agent, but nary a word about Brian Giles. We know Brian Giles is a base clogger. We know he can't catch the ball as good as Neifi or Bradley or Furcal. We also heard Hendry say that he didn't want to get into a bidding war for Giles, yet he's in the middle of a bidding war for Furcal for more years and now possibly more money.

 

Giles has always killed the ball in Wrigley. He'd get to do that 81 times a year, and when he isn't home, he's spending most of his time hitting in GAP, PNC, Minute Maid, Miller and the new Busch. Offense city. And he would have gotten to hit right between Lee and Aramis. Maybe he didn't have fond memories of playing with Aramis.

 

I'm not against a Furcal signing by any means. I would have loved to have both, but money probably wasn't there for both. In that case, make offers for both players. Go as high as you can for each one and the one who signs first is who you get.

 

I don't know that Giles didn't want to come here and I don't know that Hendry didn't want him here. I do know that when a team wants a guy, you usually hear about it somewhere.

 

The Cubs may be getting played in this whole Furcal fiasco. He may end up driving up Atlanta's price so he can go back home. All that time and effort for a guy who had no intentions of coming here. All I was asking was for the same attention to Giles. If neither came, so be it. At least we knew he tried.

 

Please tell me we aren't really basing this whole debate on Rumour Central from ESPN.com. Also an honest question.

[BigbadB]

I used it as a sample. But, Rumor Central takes their information from newspaper articles all over the country. Every link that ever gets provided here can be found on ESPN Insider.

 

Sure, some of it is rumor, some is fact, and some is just wishful thinking.

 

Rumor Central is where you can find that the Cubs are very interested in Furcal. Where did they get that information? The same place you would find information about the Cubs having interest in Giles.....

 

 

If they had interest in Giles.

 

The feelings don't always have to be mutual. When the Marlins came along a few years ago and threw 10m on the table for Pudge, how much interest would he have had in being a Marlin prior to that moment they blew every other offer out of the water?

 

Read my entire post. Don't just look for one thing and assume that I live and die by what is said in Rumor Central.

[cjbucks]

I used it as a sample. But, Rumor Central takes their information from newspaper articles all over the country. Every link that ever gets provided here can be found on ESPN Insider.

 

Sure, some of it is rumor, some is fact, and some is just wishful thinking.

 

Rumor Central is where you can find that the Cubs are very interested in Furcal. Where did they get that information? The same place you would find information about the Cubs having interest in Giles.....

 

 

If they had interest in Giles.

 

The feelings don't always have to be mutual. When the Marlins came along a few years ago and threw 10m on the table for Pudge, how much interest would he have had in being a Marlin prior to that moment they blew every other offer out of the water?

 

Read my entire post. Don't just look for one thing and assume that I live and die by what is said in Rumor Central.

 

Sorry.............read the entire post..........that's the only source you sited..........never mentioned anything about living and dying.

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Now we can cook up more Dunn trade proposals since Giles is out of the picture!

[Blueheart05]

Giles tidbits from Rotoworld:

 

Brian Giles gets full no-trade protection for next year under the terms of the deal he agreed to this week. He'll be able to block trades to eight teams in the subsequent two years.

If Giles is traded, his salary would rise by $2 million per season. Dec. 2 - 2:43 pm et

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Giles tidbits from Rotoworld:

 

Brian Giles gets full no-trade protection for next year under the terms of the deal he agreed to this week. He'll be able to block trades to eight teams in the subsequent two years.

If Giles is traded, his salary would rise by $2 million per season. Dec. 2 - 2:43 pm et

Source: San Diego Union-Tribune

 

Basically Giles assures himself if he's traded, the other team gets him without the discount.

[BigbadB]

More fun stuff for San Diego fans.......

 

The Padres lowballed David Wells (native San Diegan) after the 2004 season, a season in which he was their most effective starter. A season in which Wells gave San Diego a home town discount. Wells, angrily took a two year offer from Boston.

 

The Padres then proceeded to sign Woody Williams to take Wells place. Woody was horrible. Nothing like the Woody Williams they "gave" to St. Louis for a delapidated, broken down, overpaid Ray Lankford.

 

Williams was horrible last year. A 4.85 ERA in a pitcher's park is not good at all. Williams makes more than Wells.

 

Wells is now in the last year of his contract and he not only wants to go back to San Diego, but San Diego now wants him back. To get him, it will cost San Diego Mark Loretta AND one of Dave Roberts or Aki Otsuka. Oh, and San Diego will have to pay the price Boston paid to get Wells in the first place, which might have been a million dollar difference per year at most.

 

Of course, Dave Roberts is where the "fun stuff" all originated. Los Angeles traded Roberts to Boston for an unheard of minor leaguer, who is still unheard of today. Boston proceeds to trade Roberts to San Diego after winning the World Series for a veteran middle infielder (Ramon Vazquez), a decent 4th outfielder (Jay Payton), a minor league prospect AND 2.5m in cash.

 

If San Diego makes that deal, Towers deserves some sort of award for this. But, not an award that he would want to proudly display on any mantle.

 

Meanwhile, San Diego will be getting closer to being older than the San Francisco Giants with the likes of Vinny Castilla, Ryan Klesko, Brian Giles, Eric Young, Woody Williams, David Wells, Chan Ho Park and a closer (Hoffman) who might yet return.