Bradley........no thanks

[Bluescale]

You sound like a law student who seems to know the basics, but companies don't have to tell you why you aren't hired. They just choose the other candidate. Most jobs create numerous applicants and it is very easy to screen out those you aren't comfortable with.

 

That doesn't make it any more legal.

[RynoRules]

I am a lawyer, and I practice labor and employment law for a living.

 

Whether you may screen an applicant's criminal background is an issue addrssed by the States. In IL, you may screen for convictions and base hiring/firing decisions on convictions only.

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If anyone should have been charged with assault in the Bradley incident, it was Mrs. Bradley. There was a reason Mr. Bradley wasn't charged with a crime and it had nothing to do with his job. The evidence didn't warrant a charge, much less a conviction of Milton Bradley.

 

You can't legally deny someone employment based on an allegation. On a conviction you can, but not an allegation.

You can use background info to help decide who to hire. Most companies feel character counts.

 

the laws governing background info in the hiring process are strictly defined. allegations from newspapers are not valid reasons for denying unemployment. convictions are.

 

how would you like it if someone accused you wrongly of spousal abuse and you were no longer allowed to hold any job other than a cook at McDonalds? after all, character counts.

 

You sound like a law student who seems to know the basics, but companies don't have to tell you why you aren't hired. They just choose the other candidate. Most jobs create numerous applicants and it is very easy to screen out those you aren't comfortable with.

 

Yup. I was going to say the Cubs could go that route, but the whole debate arose from people saying we shouldn't acquire players like Bradley, who have haven't been convicted of a crime. If Chicago didn't want to hire Bradley, they wouldn't even have to show an interest, much less give a reason for passing him up. I was just saying that, legally, you can't deny someone employment based on allegations alone (this would obviously have to be provable in any legal action), since posters seemed to be unfairly labeling Mr. Bradley as a spouse abuser.

 

It would be easy for Chicago to get rid of Bradley should he become a problem. I don't see the logic in avoiding him b/c of a "moral stance" on spouse abuse. It doesn't improve the world one bit denying him a spot in Wrigley. He's going to make his money somewhere and is going to abuse his spouse (worst case scenario) wherever he lives.

 

He does have injury concerns and that is a very valid reason not to want him in Wrigley. I don't think it is moral (lol) to punish someone for alleged misconduct.

[CubinNY]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Didn't Sosa have a run-in with his wife and the police as well?

[RynoRules]

In response to Meat's post above, I deplore this sort of behavior and thus would not have him on my team. Obviously, you all are entitled to your opinions. If it does not bother you, so be it. It will be interesting - if the Cubs do acquire him - to see how I deal with it. As of now, I have some serious reservations and strong objections.

[RynoRules]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

 

Good for you. Preganant woman vs. muscular professional athlete. I'd say we are in for a Super Bowl XX-like match up.

[oldcubsfan]

If anyone should have been charged with assault in the Bradley incident, it was Mrs. Bradley. There was a reason Mr. Bradley wasn't charged with a crime and it had nothing to do with his job. The evidence didn't warrant a charge, much less a conviction of Milton Bradley.

 

You can't legally deny someone employment based on an allegation. On a conviction you can, but not an allegation.

You can use background info to help decide who to hire. Most companies feel character counts.

 

the laws governing background info in the hiring process are strictly defined. allegations from newspapers are not valid reasons for denying unemployment. convictions are.

 

how would you like it if someone accused you wrongly of spousal abuse and you were no longer allowed to hold any job other than a cook at McDonalds? after all, character counts.

 

You sound like a law student who seems to know the basics, but companies don't have to tell you why you aren't hired. They just choose the other candidate. Most jobs create numerous applicants and it is very easy to screen out those you aren't comfortable with.

 

Yup. I was going to say the Cubs could go that route, but the whole debate arose from people saying we shouldn't acquire players like Bradley, who have haven't been convicted of a crime. If Chicago didn't want to hire Bradley, they wouldn't even have to show an interest, much less give a reason for passing him up. I was just saying that, legally, you can't deny someone employment based on allegations alone (this would obviously have to be provable in any legal action), since posters seemed to be unfairly labeling Mr. Bradley as a spouse abuser.

 

It would be easy for Chicago to get rid of Bradley should he become a problem. I don't see the logic in avoiding him b/c of a "moral stance" on spouse abuse. It doesn't improve the world one bit denying him a spot in Wrigley. He's going to make his money somewhere and is going to abuse his spouse (worst case scenario) wherever he lives.

 

He does have injury concerns and that is a very valid reason not to want him in Wrigley. I don't think it is moral (lol) to punish someone for alleged misconduct.

 

I agree with you. The main reasons to pass on him has been his disruptive past with two other clubs.

[CUBZ99]

In response to Meat's post above, I deplore this sort of behavior and thus would not have him on my team. Obviously, you all are entitled to your opinions. If it does not bother you, so be it. It will be interesting - if the Cubs do acquire him - to see how I deal with it. As of now, I have some serious reservations and strong objections.

 

I am in complete agreement with you.

[Radar3454]

I also deplore that type of behavior but since no charges were filed it really raises questions on what really happenned.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

I also deplore that type of behavior but since no charges were filed it really raises questions on what really happenned

 

Exactly. As trustworthy as the American media has been throughout history (heh heh heh), they've been known to twist things around towards their biases once in a while (again, heh heh heh).

 

The way the report is written it almost sounds like he was more trying to push her away and keep her off of him.

 

Everything I've heard of Bradley from people who've actually met him says he is one of the quiest, most intelligent people they've had the pleasure of meeting. A vague report on an incident between an appearantly slightly disfunctional couple just does not do it for me.

 

Appearantly through all this, Bradley is one of the Dodgers most popular players among fans. And many praise his desire to win, his fire, his intelligence, and his...shyness?

[Blizzau]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

 

Good for you. Preganant woman vs. muscular professional athlete. I'd say we are in for a Super Bowl XX-like match up.

 

=D>

[RockTheIvy]

FWIW, the MLBTRADERUMORs guys, (who pegged the Cameron for Nady deal) say Hendry's backup plan for Pierre is Bradley. It also says that the White Sox and the Rangers are interested in Pierre, which probably ups our chances of getting Bradley.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

FWIW, the MLBTRADERUMORs guys, (who pegged the Cameron for Nady deal) say Hendry's backup plan for Pierre is Bradley. It also says that the White Sox and the Rangers are interested in Pierre, which probably ups our chances of getting Bradley.

 

I hope they're right this time. I'd love for the Cubs to tire on waiting for the Marlins to pee or get off the pot with Pierre and move on to what would be the better acquisition.

[soapy]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

 

Good for you. Preganant woman vs. muscular professional athlete. I'd say we are in for a Super Bowl XX-like match up.

 

Nice logic. I guess no muscular professional athlete can ever be victimized by someone who is smaller/weaker then them.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying I'm cool with what Bradley (allegedly) did here. But let's not act like he can't be a victim just because the person (again, allegedly) assaulting him his weaker.

[Jehrico]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

 

Good for you. Preganant woman vs. muscular professional athlete. I'd say we are in for a Super Bowl XX-like match up.

 

Nice logic. I guess no muscular professional athlete can ever be victimized by someone who is smaller/weaker then them.

 

Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm not saying I'm cool with what Bradley (allegedly) did here. But let's not act like he can't be a victim just because the person (again, allegedly) assaulting him his weaker.

 

My experience with stuff like this is that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. I'm sure there is some fault that lies on both him and his wife. That said, if the offense wasn't serious enough to warrant an arrest (assuming the officers on the scene weren't giving him far more of the benefit of the doubt than the situation warranted due to who he is, and I'm nto sure if that's a fair assumption or not), I'm not about to label him as a wife beater and put him out of consideration for acquisition based on that either.

[RynoRules]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

 

Good for you. Preganant woman vs. muscular professional athlete. I'd say we are in for a Super Bowl XX-like match up.

 

Nice logic. I guess no muscular professional athlete can ever be victimized by someone who is smaller/weaker then them.

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No, but they are highly unlikely to be physically victimized by a pregnant woman.

 

I will say that those of us who have lived with them understand that anyone - no matter their physical size - can be mentally victimized by a pregnant woman.

[mg420]

not too long ago wasnt the 6'6" chuck finley assaluted by his very hot but psycho wife tawny kitean? the difference between the to incidents is that bradley has a long history of violent behavior and physical temper tantrums. even without the questionable assault on his wife, bradley rap sheet is long enough that i hope the cubs stay away from him.

[soapy]

 

That said, if you think Bradley was some victim in all of this you are kidding yourself.

 

As far as I am concerend he is just as much a victim as his wife.

 

Good for you. Preganant woman vs. muscular professional athlete. I'd say we are in for a Super Bowl XX-like match up.

 

Nice logic. I guess no muscular professional athlete can ever be victimized by someone who is smaller/weaker then them.

quote]

 

No, but they are highly unlikely to be physically victimized by a pregnant woman.

 

I will say that those of us who have lived with them understand that anyone - no matter their physical size - can be mentally victimized by a pregnant woman.

 

Yeah, I have a daughter. I hear you.

[BigbadB]

FWIW, the MLBTRADERUMORs guys, (who pegged the Cameron for Nady deal) say Hendry's backup plan for Pierre is Bradley. It also says that the White Sox and the Rangers are interested in Pierre, which probably ups our chances of getting Bradley.

 

I'd also prefer Bradley as the back up plan to getting Giles in RF. To me, that makes Bradley a necessity rather than a "back up plan". If the Cubs ended up with Pierre, Giles AND Bradley, then they have some really nice depth in the outfield. Bradley can platoon with Pierre and/or Murton. If one of Giles or Pierre doesn't come here, then Bradley can play either position.

[soapy]

FWIW, the MLBTRADERUMORs guys, (who pegged the Cameron for Nady deal) say Hendry's backup plan for Pierre is Bradley. It also says that the White Sox and the Rangers are interested in Pierre, which probably ups our chances of getting Bradley.

 

I'd also prefer Bradley as the back up plan to getting Giles in RF. To me, that makes Bradley a necessity rather than a "back up plan". If the Cubs ended up with Pierre, Giles AND Bradley, then they have some really nice depth in the outfield. Bradley can platoon with Pierre and/or Murton. If one of Giles or Pierre doesn't come here, then Bradley can play either position.

 

I wouldn't be real excited about an OF of Murton/Pierre/Bradley though it would be a nice upgrade from last season. I wouldn't mind a OF of Murton/Bradley/Wilkerson but I don't know if the Cubs have the trade bait to acquire both Wilkerson and Bradley. If that did happen, they would need to get Furcal to lead-off or acquire a different lead-off hitter. I'd be fine with Walker or Wilkerson leading off, but I don't see Dusty doing it. I could live with this:

 

Furcal

Murton/Wilkerson

Lee

Ramirez

Bradley

Barrett

Wilkerson/Murton

Cedeno (2B)

 

Has Cedeno even played any 2B in winter ball? Last I heard, he had not. I'm assuming that Walker would be traded to get either Bradley or Wilkerson.

[UBlink]

Has Cedeno even played any 2B in winter ball? Last I heard, he had not. I'm assuming that Walker would be traded to get either Bradley or Wilkerson.

 

I've been watching Cedeno fairly closely in Venezuela and I believe he has played SS exclusively.

[soapy]

Has Cedeno even played any 2B in winter ball? Last I heard, he had not. I'm assuming that Walker would be traded to get either Bradley or Wilkerson.

 

I've been watching Cedeno fairly closely in Venezuela and I believe he has played SS exclusively.

 

Well in that case, I can't wait to see Neifi as the everyday 2B next year. :puker:

[CuseCubFan69]

Has Cedeno even played any 2B in winter ball? Last I heard, he had not. I'm assuming that Walker would be traded to get either Bradley or Wilkerson.

 

I've been watching Cedeno fairly closely in Venezuela and I believe he has played SS exclusively.

 

Well in that case, I can't wait to see Neifi as the everyday 2B next year. :puker:

 

IMO Perez was re-signed to be a starter and will cover the position that the Cubs don't aquire a starter for.

[Chocolate Milk]

I think I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the pregnant woman over the baseball player with a history of psychotic violent outbursts.

 

That's just me though.