Contest: Predict Baseball America's Cubs Top Ten List

[Laura]

Baseball America will be releasing its list of the Top Ten Cubs prospects on Monday, November 28.

 

This is a mini-predictions contest -- predict who those top ten prospects will be.

 

Winner gets bragging rights -- WOO HOO! -- and, since it's football season, winner also gets a 2003 Playoff Memorabilia Ed McCaffrey game-worn jersey swatch holder with a nice etched glass image of McCaffrey. This was graciously donated by DJAXXFAN as part of his overall contributions to the Predictions Contest.

 

Here's the deal:

 

--list a numbered top ten list (remember, this isn't your personal list -- there will be plenty of discussion on those in the offseason -- this is your prediction on BA's list).

 

--every name you match to BA's list = 10 points

 

--every name + number slot you match = 10 points

one slot off = 8 points

two slots off = 7 points

three slots off = 6 points

four slots off = 5 points

five slots off = 4 points

six slots off = 3 points

seven slots off = 2 points

eight slots off = 1 points

 

--tie goes to the person who posted his/her entry first.

 

--post entries through 10pm Central Sunday night, November 27. You can edit as much you'd like up to the deadline.

 

--BA doesn't use the "45 days on the big league roster" as one of their requirements like MLB does for rookies. Cedeno only had 80 ABs, which is less than the requirement for a rookie, so he should still be eligible for the list. Murton is not. Hill threw 23.2 innings, so he's still considered eligible as a prospect by BA (thanks to burnt_out for clarifying BA's rules).

 

This contest is open to all members (premium + non-premium)

 

If you want to list your predictions for the "best tools" list, feel free -- it won't count for the contest, but have at it.

Edited November 29, 2005 by Laura

[Laura]

Last year's BA Top Ten

 

1. Brian Dopirak, 1b

2. Felix Pie, of

3. Ryan Harvey, of

4. Angel Guzman, rhp

5. Billy Petrick, rhp

6. Renyel Pinto, lhp

7. Sean Marshall, lhp

8. John Leicester, rhp

9. Grant Johnson, rhp

10. Jason Dubois, of/1b

 

 

BEST TOOLS

Best Hitter for Average Matt Murton

Best Power Hitter Brian Dopirak

Best Strike-Zone Discipline Matt Murton

Fastest Baserunner Dwaine Bacon

Best Athlete Felix Pie

Best Fastball Angel Guzman

Best Curveball Rich Hill

Best Slider Will Ohman

Best Changeup Jon Connolly

Best Control Bobby Brownlie

Best Defensive Catcher Geovany Soto

Best Defensive Infielder Carlos Rojas

Best Infield Arm Ronny Cedeno

Best Defensive Outfielder Felix Pie

Best Outfield Arm Felix Pie

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Is Hill eligible?

[Laura]

Is Hill eligible?

 

I just asked that very question in the mod forum -- I'm not sure. I think he is; he pitched 23.2 innings. If anyone knows, please post!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Rich threw 23.2 IP last season, which means he's still eligible according to BA.

 

I do wonder about is how BA determines a reliever is no longer a rookie since they ignore time on the big league roster.

 

EDIT: Reading some old chat transcripts from BA, it looks like they go by a case by case situation and they probably will determine Hill is still a prospect. Consider him eligible unless something else comes up.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

1. Felix Pie + 10 + 10

2. Rich Hill + 10 + 6

3. Ronny Cedeno + 10 + 10

4. Mark Pawelek + 10 + 7

5. Renyel Pinto

6. Sean Gallagher

7. Eric Patterson + 10 + 6

8. Sean Marshall + 10 + 8

9. Ricky Nolasco + 10 + 8

10. Ryan Harvey + 10 + 7

 

If Cedeno and/or Hill aren't eligible, everyone else slides up one and

 

11. Angel Guzman

12. Brian Dopirak

 

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Edited November 25, 2005 by Transmogrified Tiger

[Geech]

1. Felix Pie

2. Rich Hill

3. Ronny Cedeno

4. Sean Gallagher

5. Renyel Pinto

6. Sean Gallagher

7. Eric Patterson

8. Sean Marshall

9. Ricky Nolasco

10. Ryan Harvey

 

If Cedeno and/or Hill aren't eligible, everyone else slides up one and

 

11. Angel Guzman

12. Brian Dopirak

[Transmogrified Tiger]

haha, good thing cause I completely forgot about Pawelek

[imb]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Rich Hill +10 +6

3. Mark Pawelek +10 +8

4. Ronny Cedeno +10 +8

5. Renyel Pinto

6. Sean Gallagher

7. Sean Marshall +10 +8

8. Eric Patterson +10 +7

9. Ricky Nolasco +10 +7

10. Ryan Harvey +10 +7

 

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[rawaction]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Rich Hill +10 +6

3. Ronny Cedeno +10 +10

4. Mark Pawelek +10 +7

5. Ryan Harvey +10 +6

6. Sean Gallagher

7. Eric Patterson +10 +6

8. Brian Dopirak +10 +7

9. Renyel Pinto

10. Ricky Nolasco +10 +6

 

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[CaliforniaRaisin]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Mark Pawelek +10 +10

3. Rich Hill +10 +7

4. Ronny Cedeno +10 +8

5. Ryan Harvey +10 +6

6. Renyel Pinto

7. Brian Dopirak +10 +7

8. Ricky Nolasco +10 +8

9. Sean Gallagher

10. Sean Marshall +10 +5

 

I don't think BA likes EPatt or Gallagher much. It was tough to drop out Guzman because BA is slower in dropping top prospects due to injury or poor performance than others.

 

EDIT: Bumped Marshall down 2 spots to 10.

 

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Edited November 25, 2005 by CaliforniaRaisin

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Rich threw 23.2 IP last season, which means he's still eligible according to BA.

 

I do wonder about is how BA determines a reliever is no longer a rookie since they ignore time on the big league roster.

 

EDIT: Reading some old chat transcripts from BA, it looks like they go by a case by case situation and they probably will determine Hill is still a prospect. Consider him eligible unless something else comes up.

I'm pretty sure it's 50 IP or 150 ABs.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Rich threw 23.2 IP last season, which means he's still eligible according to BA.

 

I do wonder about is how BA determines a reliever is no longer a rookie since they ignore time on the big league roster.

 

EDIT: Reading some old chat transcripts from BA, it looks like they go by a case by case situation and they probably will determine Hill is still a prospect. Consider him eligible unless something else comes up.

I'm pretty sure it's 50 IP or 150 ABs.

 

It's 130 ABs, 50 IP or 45 days on an MLB roster.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

--BA doesn't use the "45 days on the big league roster" as one of their requirements like MLB does for rookies. Cedeno only had 80 ABs, which is less than the requirement for a rookie, so he should still be eligible for the list. Murton is not. Hill threw 23.2 innings, so he's still considered eligible as a prospect by BA.

:P

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Rich Hill +10 +6

3. Mark Pawlek +10 +8

4. Ronny Cedeno +10 +8

5. Ryan Harvey +10 +6

6. Sean Gallagher

7. Renyel Pinto

8. Eric Patterson +10 +7

9. Angel Guzman +10 +4

10. Sean Marshall +10 +5

 

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[CaliforniaRaisin]

--BA doesn't use the "45 days on the big league roster" as one of their requirements like MLB does for rookies. Cedeno only had 80 ABs, which is less than the requirement for a rookie, so he should still be eligible for the list. Murton is not. Hill threw 23.2 innings, so he's still considered eligible as a prospect by BA.

:P

 

I was talking about the MLB's rules in regards to rookies.

 

P.S. I posted that Serena quote first in the mod forum. :P

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I look like an idiot. :)

[Laura]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Rich Hill +10 +6

3. Mark Pawelek +10 +8

4. Ronny Cedeno +10 +8

5. Renyel Pinto

6. Sean Marshall +10 +10

7. Sean Gallagher

8. Eric Patterson +10 +7

9. Ryan Harvey +10 +8

10. Ricky Nolasco +10 +6

 

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Edited November 28, 2005 by Laura

[Laura]

--BA doesn't use the "45 days on the big league roster" as one of their requirements like MLB does for rookies. Cedeno only had 80 ABs, which is less than the requirement for a rookie, so he should still be eligible for the list. Murton is not. Hill threw 23.2 innings, so he's still considered eligible as a prospect by BA.

:P

 

I was talking about the MLB's rules in regards to rookies.

 

P.S. I posted that Serena quote first in the mod forum. :P

 

We slapped this together pretty quickly since they're anouncing the list on Monday. Many thanks to Raisin for tracking down the BA info -- it wouldn't have been done otherwise! :)

[treebird]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Rich Hill +10 +6

3. Mark Pawelek +10 +8

4. Sean Marshall +10 +7

5. Ronny Cedeno +10 +7

6. Renyel Pinto

7. Sean Gallagher

8. Brian Dopirak +10 +8

9. Eric Patterson +10 +8

10. Angel Guzman +10 +3

 

im sure thats completely wrong

 

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[B]

1. Felix Pie +10 +10

2. Rich Hill +10 +6

3. Mark Pawelek +10 +8

4. Brian Dopirak +10 +4

5. Sean Marshall +10 +8

6. Renyel Pinto

7. Ronny Cedeno +10 +5

8. Sean Gallagher

9. Eric Patterson +10 +8

10. Angel Guzman +10 +3

 

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[CoolHandLuke]

1 Felix Pie +10 +10

2 Rich Hill +10 +6

3 Ryan Harvey +10 +4

4 Sean Marshall +10 +7

5 Mark Pawalek +10 +6

6 Renyal Pinto

7 Brian Dopirak +10 +7

8 Ricky Nolasco +10 +8

9 Ronny Cedeno +10 +3

10 Donald Veal

 

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Edited November 27, 2005 by CoolHandLuke

[Outshined_One]

Wish I had seen this sooner...

 

1) Felix Pie +10 +10

2) Mark Pawelek +10 +10

3) Rich Hill +10 +7

4) Ryan Harvey +10 +5

5) Angel Guzman +10 +8

6) Ronny Cedeno +10 +6

7) Ricky Nolasco +10 +10

8) Donald Veal

9) Brian Dopirak +10 +10

10) Sean Marshall +10 +5

 

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[Outshined_One]

And, since I'm bored...

 

BEST TOOLS

Best Hitter for Average Eric Patterson

Best Power Hitter Brian Dopirak

Best Strike-Zone Discipline Brandon Sing

Fastest Baserunner Chris Walker

Best Athlete Felix Pie

Best Fastball Mark Pawelek

Best Curveball Rich Hill

Best Slider Renyel Pinto

Best Changeup Jon Connolly

Best Control Ricky Nolasco

Best Defensive Catcher Jake Muyco

Best Defensive Infielder Casey McGehee

Best Infield Arm Ronny Cedeno

Best Defensive Outfielder Felix Pie

Best Outfield Arm Felix Pie

[CoolHandLuke]

Wish I had seen this sooner...

 

1) Felix Pie

2) Mark Pawelek

3) Rich Hill

4) Ryan Harvey

5) Angel Guzman

6) Ronny Cedeno

7) Ricky Nolasco

8) Donald Veal

9) Brian Dopirak

10) Sean Marshall

 

dangit, I was going to put Veal in the bottom of my list but I forgot. It seems that BA really has a thing for recent high round draftees and with the numbers he put up I think it would be no surpise to see him between 8-10