Cubs Interested In Eyre, But Is Marte Better?

[craig]

Keeper's complaint is that Eyre has a career 5 ERA, so Banana you want to get Affeld instead, who's been 5's last two seasons? If you can trade Pigs or Aardsma or Coats or vasquez for Aafeldt, by all means I'd like that. But I don't think you can get a decent young lefty arm for these guys that aren't good enough to crack our 40-man. Guys who aren't 40-man worthy aren't too hot, IMO. I don't think it's that easy.

 

On Eyre, Keeper suggested he's had one effective year, and that it was probably fluke lucky. Perhaps so. However, if you look in Baseball Reference, his *ERA+'s for the past 5 seasons have been 157, 108, 129, 98, and 138. May not be that much of a reach to think he might be above average again?

[JeffH]

We have guys who are getting ready to be exposed to rule 5.

 

We do?

 

Yes. A whole bunch from what I understand.

 

JK Ryu

Ricky Nolasco

Carlos Marmol

Jon Connolly

Ryan O'Malley

Carmen Pignatiello

Rich Hill

Jason Wylie

Hagerty

Carlos Vazquez

 

Buck Coats

Matt Craig

Micah Hoffpauir

Adam Greenberg

Dwaine Bacon

Brandon Sing

 

Bobby Brownlie

Chadd Blasko

Sean Marshall

Billy Petrick

 

Felix Pie

Brian Dopirak

Jake Fox

Matt Murton

 

This was compiled quite a while back, so there are a few that can be removed and a few that can be added as Rule 5 eligible. A few have already been added as well. Look at the pitchers alone: I'd hate to see any of these pitchers get picked up: Marmol, Petrick, Nolasco, Blasko, Marshall, Connolly, Ryu and Brownlie.

 

Murton, Hill, and Greenberg are already rostered.

 

The Cubs have 4 spots on the 40-man open right now, so that'll take care of Pie, Nolasco, and two of Marmol/Marshall/Ryu.

 

The rest of the guys on that list rank anywhere from "garbage" to "damaged goods" to "mildly interesting".

 

It would be nice if they cleared another spot for the third of the Marmol/Marshall/Ryu group. Other than that, the other clubs can go crazy in the Rule 5 draft, as far as I'm concerned.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Keeper's complaint is that Eyre has a career 5 ERA, so Banana you want to get Affeld instead, who's been 5's last two seasons? If you can trade Pigs or Aardsma or Coats or vasquez for Aafeldt, by all means I'd like that. But I don't think you can get a decent young lefty arm for these guys that aren't good enough to crack our 40-man. Guys who aren't 40-man worthy aren't too hot, IMO. I don't think it's that easy.

 

On Eyre, Keeper suggested he's had one effective year, and that it was probably fluke lucky. Perhaps so. However, if you look in Baseball Reference, his *ERA+'s for the past 5 seasons have been 157, 108, 129, 98, and 138. May not be that much of a reach to think he might be above average again?

 

BK was referencing fielding independent ERA. Anyways, normal ERA for relief pitchers is deceiving, given the smaller samples and inherited runners. I'm more inclined to look at WHIP, K/9, BAA, K/BB, etc. first for relievers(which also show Affeldt to be a pretty terrible target).

[Guest]

Keeper's complaint is that Eyre has a career 5 ERA, so Banana you want to get Affeld instead, who's been 5's last two seasons? If you can trade Pigs or Aardsma or Coats or vasquez for Aafeldt, by all means I'd like that. But I don't think you can get a decent young lefty arm for these guys that aren't good enough to crack our 40-man. Guys who aren't 40-man worthy aren't too hot, IMO. I don't think it's that easy.

 

On Eyre, Keeper suggested he's had one effective year, and that it was probably fluke lucky. Perhaps so. However, if you look in Baseball Reference, his *ERA+'s for the past 5 seasons have been 157, 108, 129, 98, and 138. May not be that much of a reach to think he might be above average again?

As CP20 said, I was referring to his fielding-independent ERA, not traditional ERA. (Which is a somewhat more palatable 4.45.) Eyre has put up some respectable (though never stellar) ERA totals in recent years, but his K/BB ratio and HR allowed rate have never been better than average. (And were usually pretty bad.) These numbers are better predictors of future performance than traditional ERA for the reasons CPatt mentioned, leading to my wariness in Eyre.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Is Eyre really any better than Will Ohman?

[mg420]

Is Eyre really any better than Will Ohman?

 

since they will both be in the pen next year if the cubs sign eyre, what does it matter who is better between the 2?

[Guest]

Is Eyre really any better than Will Ohman?

 

since they will both be in the pen next year if the cubs sign eyre, what does it matter who is better between the 2?

If they're both capable of filling the same role equally well, one could say that spending $10 million on a redundancy is an inefficient use of resources.

[craig]

Keeper's complaint is that Eyre has a career 5 ERA, so Banana you want to get Affeld instead, who's been 5's last two seasons? If you can trade Pigs or Aardsma or Coats or vasquez for Aafeldt, by all means I'd like that. But I don't think you can get a decent young lefty arm for these guys that aren't good enough to crack our 40-man. Guys who aren't 40-man worthy aren't too hot, IMO. I don't think it's that easy.

 

On Eyre, Keeper suggested he's had one effective year, and that it was probably fluke lucky. Perhaps so. However, if you look in Baseball Reference, his *ERA+'s for the past 5 seasons have been 157, 108, 129, 98, and 138. May not be that much of a reach to think he might be above average again?

As CP20 said, I was referring to his fielding-independent ERA, not traditional ERA. (Which is a somewhat more palatable 4.45.) Eyre has put up some respectable (though never stellar) ERA totals in recent years, but his K/BB ratio and HR allowed rate have never been better than average. (And were usually pretty bad.) These numbers are better predictors of future performance than traditional ERA for the reasons CPatt mentioned, leading to my wariness in Eyre.

 

Good points. Over last three years (the best of his career), Eyre's WHIP is 1.29 and 15HR/175 innings. Entirely mediocre. The ERA's look deceptively good because of coming in with one or two outs in many occassions, I presume. Sounds like a mediocre, slightly below-average pitcher during his zenith years. With money, pressure, and age, likely be less than average over next three years.

 

I would guess less than likely to be as good as Ohman.

[Keener98]

Please tell me that his splits aren't like Remlingers at least? I dont understand the point of this signing when we already have Ohman. Also does this pretty much guarantee that Rusch is starting because I highly doubt we carry 3 lefties in the bullpen. Money wasted if you ask me. Edited November 17, 2005 by Keener98

[Guest]

Please tell me that his splits are like Remlingers at least? I dont understand the point of this signing when we already have Ohman. Also does this pretty much guarantee that Rusch is starting because I highly doubt we carry 3 lefties in the bullpen. Money wasted if you ask me.

Nope, Eyre actually pitches like a LOOGY, holding lefties to just a .565 OPS from 2002-2004, while letting righties hit .718.

 

Redundancies with Ohman aside, that's good news if the Cubs actually sign this guy. At least Baker will probably use him in the right situations, unlike Jonny B's use of Remmy.