ESPN1K says Cubs trying to finish a deal for Pierre

[ctcf]

Hey everyone. What's the story lately?

[oldschool]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

 

If it's done, who have we given up?

[BCVM22]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office.

 

I thought only deals in which a cash amount of $1 million or larger was included had to be approved by the league?

[snoodmonger]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

 

where'd you hear this?

[adamb0719]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

 

where'd you hear this?

 

I just read on a Marlins board that it will be announced tomorrow, but it didn't name who we were sending. Not reliable but I thought I would throw it out there.

[da bears]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

 

Yeah, where have you heard this? I'm gonna be kinda upset tomorrow if I find out nothing happens.

[Balsa]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

 

where'd you hear this?

 

I just read on a Marlins board that it will be announced tomorrow, but it didn't name who we were sending. Not reliable but I thought I would throw it out there.

 

I bet its Sing and Nolasco.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

This rumor did come from Bruce Levine, so take it for what it's worth.

[CubinNY]

I've heard the deal is done and just waiting to be ran by the league office. This is a great pick-up for you guys, if you could sign Furcal as well thats a lot of speed in front of Lee and Ramirez.

 

where'd you hear this?

 

I just read on a Marlins board that it will be announced tomorrow, but it didn't name who we were sending. Not reliable but I thought I would throw it out there.

 

I bet its Sing and Nolasco.

 

Sing and Nolasco are a fair trade for Slappy. I think Nolasco will end up in the bullpen. Sing is a back up Major Leaguer.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If we get Pierre for Sing and Nolasco, I'll be pleased, and I'm not that big a fan of Pierre.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If we get Pierre for Sing and Nolasco, I'll be pleased, and I'm not that big a fan of Pierre.

 

Pierre is an impending Free Agent coming off a sub 700 OPS season. Nolasco, Pinto, Marshall, Guzman, Ryu should not be involved. If Hendry really is pursuing this hard for Pierre, it's disheartening. Jim, Juan isn't all that great at catching the ball.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If we get Pierre for Sing and Nolasco, I'll be pleased, and I'm not that big a fan of Pierre.

 

Pierre is an impending Free Agent coming off a sub 700 OPS season. Nolasco, Pinto, Marshall, Guzman, Ryu should not be involved. If Hendry really is pursuing this hard for Pierre, it's disheartening. Jim, Juan isn't all that great at catching the ball.

 

I'm really hoping this rumor is bogus. I don't think I'm going to like the outcome.

[Guest]

Semi-interesting Pierre stat o' the moment:

 

Pierre's line (OBP/SLG/OPS) in 2004 when getting the ball out of the infield: .614/.812/1.426. That's the good news. The bad news is that he only got the ball past the infielders in 37% of his PA. The moral of the story: Pierre's production is more or less completely dependent on ground balls finding holes in the defense.

[RockTheIvy]

I wouldn't mind having Pierre. The idea of having a .350+ OBP guy in front of Lee is appealing. That being said I don't think the Cubs should have to give up significant prospects (like Sing) for Pierre. The Marlins are in a salary cutting mode, and Pierre has one year left before free agency. Sing, for instance, hit .276/.404/.538 last year at West Tenn, with 26 HRs and 91 walks! I know it's AA, but come on, Pierre isn't worth trading that kind of potential, especially from a team that is so OBP starved.

[RynoRules]

I wouldn't mind having Pierre. The idea of having a .350+ OBP guy in front of Lee is appealing. That being said I don't think the Cubs should have to give up significant prospects (like Sing) for Pierre. The Marlins are in a salary cutting mode, and Pierre has one year left before free agency. Sing, for instance, hit .276/.404/.538 last year at West Tenn, with 26 HRs and 91 walks! I know it's AA, but come on, Pierre isn't worth trading that kind of potential, especially from a team that is so OBP starved.

 

Is Sing still playing 1B? He might be a nice chip in a deal for Dunn (as Casey's successor). Hill, Sing and CPatt and lets make a deal? (did I just hijack this thread?)

[Balsa]

Rock the Ivy: To put it bluntly, we don't have much time left until our pitchers start to become less 'cheap' and more 'insanely priced'.

 

We've really got see if we can make it this year or next year. I think maybe an unproven AA guy for a proven leadoff hitter that can help now is a fair trade.

[Diffusion]

Semi-interesting Pierre stat o' the moment:

 

Pierre's line (OBP/SLG/OPS) in 2004 when getting the ball out of the infield: .614/.812/1.426. That's the good news. The bad news is that he only got the ball past the infielders in 37% of his PA. The moral of the story: Pierre's production is more or less completely dependent on ground balls finding holes in the defense.

 

Just out of interest, what are your inputs for working that out? Or what's your source if you didn't do it yourself?

[E.J.]

So, is this going to be like Levine's last rumor where he says something is coming really soon and then he doesn't say a word about it ever again?

[cheapseats]

So, is this going to be like Levine's last rumor where he says something is coming really soon and then he doesn't say a word about it ever again?

 

Are you referring to the supposed big trade at the end of May?

 

The Cubs did indeed talk with the Mets and the Marlins about a big trade that would have involved Latroy and other Cubs for an outfielder and a reliever.

 

The Cubs ended up just dealing Latroy to the Giants in a smaller deal.

 

If you're referring to something else, I'd like to know about it. Levine is more trustworthy than anyone else in Chicago sports radio.

[Guest]

Semi-interesting Pierre stat o' the moment:

 

Pierre's line (OBP/SLG/OPS) in 2004 when getting the ball out of the infield: .614/.812/1.426. That's the good news. The bad news is that he only got the ball past the infielders in 37% of his PA. The moral of the story: Pierre's production is more or less completely dependent on ground balls finding holes in the defense.

 

Just out of interest, what are your inputs for working that out? Or what's your source if you didn't do it yourself?

I did it myself using the PBP event files from retrosheet. Basically I just separated his PAs by balls that were fielded by an infielder, balls that were fielded by an outfielder, and balls that weren't put into the field of play. (I was also going to filter the results by batted ball type, but it appears that data is less than complete.) The line seems high, but I'm guessing that it would be similarly high for most if not all players as the vast majority of all balls touched by an infielder result in outs. Without looking at other players, though, I'd guess that a Pierre-type player who hits a lot of ground balls/soft line drives would create fewer outfield outs than a player with some pop who hits more fly balls. (At the expense of getting far fewer balls to the outfield.)

[Wheelimus]

There must be a lot of us looking for more info, marlinsbaseball.com's forums have 184 visitors :lol:

 

By the way, I love that blue kool-aid comes in other colors as well, hehe, at the start of their thread, they're hoping to get Murton and Pie for Pierre

 

:lol:

Edited November 15, 2005 by Wheelimus

[YearofDaCubs]

Levine on right now and Cubs and Marlins haven't talked in 3 days. Marlins are unsure on what direction they want to go with because of the lack of funds and possible selling of the team. Levine denying the trade was almost done.

[E.J.]

So, is this going to be like Levine's last rumor where he says something is coming really soon and then he doesn't say a word about it ever again?

 

Are you referring to the supposed big trade at the end of May?

 

The Cubs did indeed talk with the Mets and the Marlins about a big trade that would have involved Latroy and other Cubs for an outfielder and a reliever.

 

The Cubs ended up just dealing Latroy to the Giants in a smaller deal.

 

If you're referring to something else, I'd like to know about it. Levine is more trustworthy than anyone else in Chicago sports radio.

 

The Cubs might have talked to the Mets and the Marlins, but Levine made it seem the trade was finalized and an announcement was coming soon.

 

Levine was just on ESPN 1000 as I type and he's pretty much backing off on his statements. He said they haven't even talked in the past 3 days and the Cubs don't really know if the trade will happen.

[goonys evil twin]

For clarification sake, is this the first BS "this deal is about to happen" story of the offseason on this site? I don't know, I've been away.

 

 

I can't believe how much interest this rumor has taken off when absolutely nobody in the press has reported anything like this trade anywhere outside the supposed first report. It hasn't been in the Chicago papers online, it hasn't hit ESPN anywhere, I haven't heard a thing about it on ESPN radio. Aside from the first puff, there's been no smoke to suggest this trade is anything worth discussing. When it gets close to being "an hour from completion", or "waiting for MLB authorization" it'll be all over the ticker.