2005-06 College Basketball Thread

[Jon]

This was the article's explanation:

Johnson picked up his fourth foul for an intentional foul on Duke center Shelden Williams, who quickly got to his feet and bumped into Johnson. Television replays showed Johnson attempting to back away from the altercation, which resulted in technicals for both players.

That occurred with 9:23 left in regulation.

[SouthSideRyan]

So not only did the technical FTs make the difference point-wise, it also robbed FSU of a player.

[bmkhawk]

Do both teams shoot free throws when a double technical foul is called?

 

For some reason, I thought it was an alternating possession situation with no free throws.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Do both teams shoot free throws when a double technical foul is called?

 

For some reason, I thought it was an alternating possession situation with no free throws.

 

That's my understanding too, I think the FTs would've been from the intentional foul.

[illiniguy]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

[Andy]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

:shock:

[illiniguy]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

:shock:

You don't think a lot of the Duke hate has to do with race? I sure do. It seems to me their most hated players that get every call are all white. Hurley, Laettner, Ferry, Redick, Parks, Dunleavy, and of course Battier. :lol:

[stitchface]

Do both teams shoot free throws when a double technical foul is called?

 

For some reason, I thought it was an alternating possession situation with no free throws.

 

That's my understanding too, I think the FTs would've been from the intentional foul.

 

There would have been a technical on williams and FSU would have shot free throws and gotten the ball (maybe).

[stitchface]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

:shock:

You don't think a lot of the Duke hate has to do with race? I sure do. It seems to me their most hated players that get every call are all white. Hurley, Laettner, Ferry, Redick, Parks, Dunleavy, and of course Battier. :lol:

 

I think all their players get all the calls. I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here.

[illiniguy]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

:shock:

You don't think a lot of the Duke hate has to do with race? I sure do. It seems to me their most hated players that get every call are all white. Hurley, Laettner, Ferry, Redick, Parks, Dunleavy, and of course Battier. :lol:

 

I think all their players get all the calls. I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here.

Battier I was trying to make a joke. I think or thought it was common knowledge most duke players were hated because they are white. I mean after all Redick even said that Paulus would be next because he was, "another great, white Duke player that everyone would hate." Maybe that isn't the only reason why people hate them, but it seems like it to me. On the calls, I still think race plays some of an issue with them. I could be way off, but it seems like it to me anyways.

[stitchface]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

:shock:

You don't think a lot of the Duke hate has to do with race? I sure do. It seems to me their most hated players that get every call are all white. Hurley, Laettner, Ferry, Redick, Parks, Dunleavy, and of course Battier. :lol:

 

I think all their players get all the calls. I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here.

Battier I was trying to make a joke. I think or thought it was common knowledge most duke players were hated because they are white. I mean after all Redick even said that Paulus would be next because he was, "another great, white Duke player that everyone would hate." Maybe that isn't the only reason why people hate them, but it seems like it to me. On the calls, I still think race plays some of an issue with them. I could be way off, but it seems like it to me anyways.

 

Why would people hate white players? Seems to me the white players generally are more popular amongst the largely white fans. Laettner was hatable because he was a priss and he seemed like he never missed. I never hated the other guys so I can't say why other people hate them. You could be right.

[SouthSideRyan]

Do both teams shoot free throws when a double technical foul is called?

 

For some reason, I thought it was an alternating possession situation with no free throws.

 

That's my understanding too, I think the FTs would've been from the intentional foul.

 

There would have been a technical on williams and FSU would have shot free throws and gotten the ball (maybe).

 

That's what I was getting at. I phrased that poorly.

[bmkhawk]

No.

 

FSU would not have shot free throws if the intentional foul was on the FSU player and a double technical was called subsequent to the intentional foul.

 

There would have been free throws for the intentional foul and then alternating possession to determine who got the ball.

[stitchface]

No.

 

FSU would not have shot free throws if the intentional foul was on the FSU player and a double technical was called subsequent to the intentional foul.

 

There would have been free throws for the intentional foul and then alternating possession to determine who got the ball.

 

not a double technical - a single technical on Duke. The double technical was called.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No.

 

FSU would not have shot free throws if the intentional foul was on the FSU player and a double technical was called subsequent to the intentional foul.

 

There would have been free throws for the intentional foul and then alternating possession to determine who got the ball.

 

I think what you(and me as well) were looking at the perspective of what was actually called, and they are looking at what would've happened had only Williams been called for a T.

[stitchface]

No.

 

FSU would not have shot free throws if the intentional foul was on the FSU player and a double technical was called subsequent to the intentional foul.

 

There would have been free throws for the intentional foul and then alternating possession to determine who got the ball.

 

I think what you(and me as well) were looking at the perspective of what was actually called, and they are looking at what would've happened had only Williams been called for a T.

 

which is what the ACC is saying should have occurred.

[bmkhawk]

Ahh. Over my head.

 

That's what I get for trying to watch 24 (DVR'd) while I post.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Any interesting denials of favorable treatment?

 

I missed the beginning of Bilas's bit, but he went off on how the end of the BC game was a bad call, but that it was isolated. He was getting kinda upset, with the "unless someone can step forward with empirical evidence or a coach steps up" bit, even though I'm pretty sure there is said evidence that Duke gets calls. Vitale blabbered about how they get all the good players, which makes no sense. He also said that they always slash and attack the basket, which to my brief knowledge appears wrong as well. Phelps hardly said anything.

Jay here is some facts. Duke plays three guards, shoots a majority of threes, and plays in your face defense. Those three things are what makes them similar in style to Illinois. Illinois usually fouls more than the team they are playing because they shoot so much on the outside and play good defense. Why wouldn't this then apply to Duke, oh whats that, because they are Duke and all white guys so they get every call. Ok that makes more sense.

:shock:

You don't think a lot of the Duke hate has to do with race? I sure do. It seems to me their most hated players that get every call are all white. Hurley, Laettner, Ferry, Redick, Parks, Dunleavy, and of course Battier. :lol:

 

I think all their players get all the calls. I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here.

Battier I was trying to make a joke. I think or thought it was common knowledge most duke players were hated because they are white. I mean after all Redick even said that Paulus would be next because he was, "another great, white Duke player that everyone would hate." Maybe that isn't the only reason why people hate them, but it seems like it to me. On the calls, I still think race plays some of an issue with them. I could be way off, but it seems like it to me anyways.

 

Does that mean all those folks who hate Sheldon Williams are color blind?

[SouthSideRyan]

 

Does that mean all those folks who hate Sheldon Williams are color blind?

 

Looking at Shelden Williams could make one go blind.

[Mark_R]

Wasn't Shavlik Randolph (a noted white Mickey D AA) always in foul trouble?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Grant Hill is the only person to go through the Duke program that I didn't hate. And I don't really care much for Grant Hill. It's the program, not the skin color. To suggest otherwise is ignorance.

[illiniguy]

Grant Hill is the only person to go through the Duke program that I didn't hate. And I don't really care much for Grant Hill. It's the program, not the skin color. To suggest otherwise is ignorance.

I liked Loul Deng and Jay Williams also. I think it is ignorant to have a no name football player as your signature. Especially when Robert Gallery would be much cooler.

[hawkeyecub]

Grant Hill is the only person to go through the Duke program that I didn't hate. And I don't really care much for Grant Hill. It's the program, not the skin color. To suggest otherwise is ignorance.

I liked Loul Deng and Jay Williams also. I think it is ignorant to have a no name football player as your signature. Especially when Robert Gallery would be much cooler.

 

What?

 

Wow. That made A LOT of sense.

[illiniguy]

Grant Hill is the only person to go through the Duke program that I didn't hate. And I don't really care much for Grant Hill. It's the program, not the skin color. To suggest otherwise is ignorance.

I liked Loul Deng and Jay Williams also. I think it is ignorant to have a no name football player as your signature. Especially when Robert Gallery would be much cooler.

 

What?

 

Wow. That made A LOT of sense.

The point I was trying to make was that they get tha calls also because they are white. He thinks that is ignorant. I think it is easy to think that the ncaa wants a bunch of white guys doing very well as it goes against the image the nba has, which many contribute to the lack of interest in the product the nba puts out. Bob Sanders is a no name, many people don't know who he is. To have him in your signature saying things about how he is going to hurt Jim Hendry for thinking about trrading Prior is ignorant.

[hawkeyecub]

Okay but the meaning of the word "ignorant" doesn't fit there. It's just a choice.

 

Bob was also All-Pro this year and got much more pub than Gallery. Madden and all of the ESPN guys raved about him for the second part of the year and every time I saw one of the Colts games, the analyst was drooling over him.