2005-06 College Basketball Thread

[BleedCubbieBlue81]

Did anyone see Adam Haluska of Iowa state that even after yesterday's game that Iowa felt they were better than MSU. This is right after MSU beat them by 30 points. It maybe how you feel Adam, but that probably isn't the best time to say it.

 

Yeah, that's like Leinart saying that USC was still the better team after they just lost to Texas. While it may be true, he just picked a really bad time to say it.

[SouthSideRyan]

Did anyone see Adam Haluska of Iowa state that even after yesterday's game that Iowa felt they were better than MSU. This is right after MSU beat them by 30 points. It maybe how you feel Adam, but that probably isn't the best time to say it.

 

Yeah, that's like Leinart saying that USC was still the better team after they just lost to Texas. While it may be true, he just picked a really bad time to say it.

 

At least Texas didn't beat SC by 3 TDs.

[da bears]

Agreed on the Haluska situation. Ive always hated Iowa basketball, and it just seems to have elevated with the Pierre Pierce situation. Now this moron makes a comment like that, and for some reason it really makes me angry.

[snoodmonger]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

[Magnetic Curses]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

 

self's not a great in-game coach. he'll do something with those recruits, though, provided that they stay for a couple years.

 

and moody DID get hammered. you'd think a 3-4 time academic all-american could develop some type of consistent and repeatable free-throw shooting form. it's not that hard.

[snoodmonger]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

 

self's not a great in-game coach. he'll do something with those recruits, though, provided that they stay for a couple years.

 

and moody DID get hammered. you'd think a 3-4 time academic all-american could develop some type of consistent and repeatable free-throw shooting form. it's not that hard.

 

Yeah, choke city. But really, we shouldn't have been in that position anyway. Kudos to Mizzou for never giving up and taking advantage, though. They were very poised.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

 

self's not a great in-game coach. he'll do something with those recruits, though, provided that they stay for a couple years.

 

and moody DID get hammered. you'd think a 3-4 time academic all-american could develop some type of consistent and repeatable free-throw shooting form. it's not that hard.

 

Yeah, choke city. But really, we shouldn't have been in that position anyway. Kudos to Mizzou for never giving up and taking advantage, though. They were very poised.

 

McKinney definitely wacked him in the arm, going through the one towards the ball.

 

I saw a lot of fans getting upset with Self for his management at the end of the game. Particularly him calling timeouts when Mizzou had no more.

[fiver]

What does everyone think about the Cuse-Pitt game tonight? I'm thinking that Pittsburg is probably going to rebound from their loss and extend Cuse's losing streak to 3.

[Andy]

What does everyone think about the Cuse-Pitt game tonight? I'm thinking that Pittsburg is probably going to rebound from their loss and extend Cuse's losing streak to 3.

I think that it seems like the Big East has a big game every night.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What does everyone think about the Cuse-Pitt game tonight? I'm thinking that Pittsburg is probably going to rebound from their loss and extend Cuse's losing streak to 3.

I think that it seems like the Big East has a big game every night.

 

With 64 teams in the conference, they had better have a big game every night.

[illiniguy]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

Ok if everyone thought he got fouled here I guess he did, But why did Self have him in at the end? I realize he makes good desicions, but he never should have been in that situation.

[illiniguy]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

 

self's not a great in-game coach. he'll do something with those recruits, though, provided that they stay for a couple years.

 

and moody DID get hammered. you'd think a 3-4 time academic all-american could develop some type of consistent and repeatable free-throw shooting form. it's not that hard.

Ok try and follow me with this. If Self keeps all of those kids there with Collins, I think he might be able to win it all. That said I don't see it happening. I think Rush goes pro after this year. But if he doesn't, he comes back at the 3. That pretty much assures that Downs is gone. But, Collins is his 1. Robinson will be a junior and will have to play. In a lot of ways Chalmers is his best player. All three of those guys are gonna play. So if Rush stays I guess Wright becomes his 5, if he can beat out the three MCDAAs KU has in Giles, Kaun, and Jackson. What a mess. Why did Bill recruit all of those kids at the same position in the same year? I will never be able to figure that out.

[CuseCubFan69]

What does everyone think about the Cuse-Pitt game tonight? I'm thinking that Pittsburg is probably going to rebound from their loss and extend Cuse's losing streak to 3.

I think that it seems like the Big East has a big game every night.

 

With 64 teams in the conference, they had better have a big game every night.

 

That's funny you say that. In football the Big East only has 8 teams while most conferences have 12 so I suppose I could say the same thing about that during the Football season.

[CuseCubFan69]

What does everyone think about the Cuse-Pitt game tonight? I'm thinking that Pittsburg is probably going to rebound from their loss and extend Cuse's losing streak to 3.

 

It doesn't look so good right now. They have to beat a top 10 team sometime as we've played 1,4,6 and 10 so far this year.

[stitchface]

anyone else think Gonzaga isn't a top 10 team?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

anyone else think Gonzaga isn't a top 10 team?

 

They have 3 losses, 2 on the road to top 10-15 teams, and the other on a neutral court to UConn. They're going to have to drop one before I'd think about dropping them.

[snoodmonger]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

 

self's not a great in-game coach. he'll do something with those recruits, though, provided that they stay for a couple years.

 

and moody DID get hammered. you'd think a 3-4 time academic all-american could develop some type of consistent and repeatable free-throw shooting form. it's not that hard.

Ok try and follow me with this. If Self keeps all of those kids there with Collins, I think he might be able to win it all. That said I don't see it happening. I think Rush goes pro after this year. But if he doesn't, he comes back at the 3. That pretty much assures that Downs is gone. But, Collins is his 1. Robinson will be a junior and will have to play. In a lot of ways Chalmers is his best player. All three of those guys are gonna play. So if Rush stays I guess Wright becomes his 5, if he can beat out the three MCDAAs KU has in Giles, Kaun, and Jackson. What a mess. Why did Bill recruit all of those kids at the same position in the same year? I will never be able to figure that out.

 

 

First--Kaun, DJ, and Giles weren't McD's.

 

As for a rotation next year. I'm not sure what Rush will do. 2 weeks ago, I thought he was gone. Now, I'm not sure. He's been real hit or miss. So he might stay, and if he does, there will still be plenty of room for Downs. We could have a 9-man rotation as follows.

 

1. Robinson/Collins

2. Chalmers

3. Rush/Downs

4. Jackson/Wright

5. Kaun/Giles

 

 

If Rush goes, which is still the more likely scenario, this would be the rotation, w/ Wright playing 3/4:

 

1. Robinson/Collins

2. Chalmers

3. Downs/Wright

4. Jackson/Wright

5. Kaun/Giles

 

Case, Morningstar, and Stewart would probably fight for the last spot.

 

Either way, I don't see any scenario where Wright plays the 5, and I think we also have to expect Collins to be eased into the game.

 

As for why Self recruits so many players, that's simple. One, many of the players he recruits can play multiple positions. (Collins, Chalmers, Robinson can all play 1 and 2. Downs, Rush, and Wright are not locked into any one position.) Two, recruiting isn't an exact science. Sometimes a guy flames out or transfers or goes pro or sucks. If you put all your eggs in that basket, you're screwed if he flops. If you have multiple guys who can fill in, you've covered yourself and your team better. It's simple recruiting, and most of the premier programs do it.

[stitchface]

anyone else think Gonzaga isn't a top 10 team?

 

They have 3 losses, 2 on the road to top 10-15 teams, and the other on a neutral court to UConn. They're going to have to drop one before I'd think about dropping them.

 

they seem to barely beat a lot of bad teams. tonight its USF. I don't see how they qualify unless morrison goes danny manning on the field.

[illiniguy]

Awesome game but noticed a couple of things. First after Gardner tied it with 5.6 to go KU inbounds it and dribbles twice before the clock started again. Nice job home clock operator. Second referees are told to never make a call on a last second play to determine the game. Especially on a clean block. For a minute I thought that game was being played at the PHOG.

 

I just watched the game (i've been working a ton and had it taped). How can you call that a clean block? Moody got hammered. Not that it mattered.

 

I can't believe we gave that game away. Self cost us that one. You tell your kids explicitly, "Don't shoot until ten seconds are left in the clock." But were just jacking it up. Unbelievable. We should be undefeated in conference. Instead we're 2-2 with losses to our two biggest rivals. We've got our work cut out for us if we want to make the tourney now.

 

self's not a great in-game coach. he'll do something with those recruits, though, provided that they stay for a couple years.

 

and moody DID get hammered. you'd think a 3-4 time academic all-american could develop some type of consistent and repeatable free-throw shooting form. it's not that hard.

Ok try and follow me with this. If Self keeps all of those kids there with Collins, I think he might be able to win it all. That said I don't see it happening. I think Rush goes pro after this year. But if he doesn't, he comes back at the 3. That pretty much assures that Downs is gone. But, Collins is his 1. Robinson will be a junior and will have to play. In a lot of ways Chalmers is his best player. All three of those guys are gonna play. So if Rush stays I guess Wright becomes his 5, if he can beat out the three MCDAAs KU has in Giles, Kaun, and Jackson. What a mess. Why did Bill recruit all of those kids at the same position in the same year? I will never be able to figure that out.

 

 

First--Kaun, DJ, and Giles weren't McD's.

 

As for a rotation next year. I'm not sure what Rush will do. 2 weeks ago, I thought he was gone. Now, I'm not sure. He's been real hit or miss. So he might stay, and if he does, there will still be plenty of room for Downs. We could have a 9-man rotation as follows.

 

1. Robinson/Collins

2. Chalmers

3. Rush/Downs

4. Jackson/Wright

5. Kaun/Giles

 

 

If Rush goes, which is still the more likely scenario, this would be the rotation, w/ Wright playing 3/4:

 

1. Robinson/Collins

2. Chalmers

3. Downs/Wright

4. Jackson/Wright

5. Kaun/Giles

 

Case, Morningstar, and Stewart would probably fight for the last spot.

 

Either way, I don't see any scenario where Wright plays the 5, and I think we also have to expect Collins to be eased into the game.

 

As for why Self recruits so many players, that's simple. One, many of the players he recruits can play multiple positions. (Collins, Chalmers, Robinson can all play 1 and 2. Downs, Rush, and Wright are not locked into any one position.) Two, recruiting isn't an exact science. Sometimes a guy flames out or transfers or goes pro or sucks. If you put all your eggs in that basket, you're screwed if he flops. If you have multiple guys who can fill in, you've covered yourself and your team better. It's simple recruiting, and most of the premier programs do it.

No doubt it is impressive, I just wonder why he would do it in the same year with the three small forwards. I realize that Rush was kind of a gift at the last moment. But, I think he would have been better served to get a real good 4 or 2. I know that many of your guys are capable of playing those spots, but none of them are ideal for the position. If that makes any sense. Rush is damn good. If we would have got him we would be in the top 3 teams easily this year. That said he needs a better mid range game and could work on it for a year in Lawerence without wearing out his welcome.

[Derwood]

Just want to pipe in to remind everyone that my DePaul Blue Demons lost to lowly Providence and are now 8-9 (1-4). Yes, we suck butt.

 

That is all.

[CuseCubFan69]

Just want to pipe in to remind everyone that my DePaul Blue Demons lost to lowly Providence and are now 8-9 (1-4). Yes, we suck butt.

 

That is all.

 

I wouldn't consider Providence a North Dakota St though. If they are on they are a very tough team.

[1908]

Just want to pipe in to remind everyone that my DePaul Blue Demons lost to lowly Providence and are now 8-9 (1-4). Yes, we suck butt.

 

That is all.

First year in a very competitive conference for DePaul. I think it'll only help in the long run.

[CuseCubFan69]

Just want to pipe in to remind everyone that my DePaul Blue Demons lost to lowly Providence and are now 8-9 (1-4). Yes, we suck butt.

 

That is all.

First year in a very competitive conference for DePaul. I think it'll only help in the long run.

 

Yep...no Purdues or Penn States to beat up on in this league.

[Derwood]

Just want to pipe in to remind everyone that my DePaul Blue Demons lost to lowly Providence and are now 8-9 (1-4). Yes, we suck butt.

 

That is all.

First year in a very competitive conference for DePaul. I think it'll only help in the long run.

 

Yep...no Purdues or Penn States to beat up on in this league.

 

nope, just DePaul to beat up on :x

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Just want to pipe in to remind everyone that my DePaul Blue Demons lost to lowly Providence and are now 8-9 (1-4). Yes, we suck butt.

 

That is all.

First year in a very competitive conference for DePaul. I think it'll only help in the long run.

 

Yep...no Purdues or Penn States to beat up on in this league.

 

For every Purdue, PSU, or Northwestern, there's a Providence, South Florida, or Depaul.