Bruce Levine Reports on Hendry's Other Targets 11/11/05

[Wheelimus]

To get a bonafide leadoff hitter AND Adam Dunn?

 

I might throw my mom in the deal if I had too :lol:

 

I kiiid I kiiiid

 

Pierre the top priority? Not smart if true.

 

I agree and it smacks of Pie being a player in this deal.

 

Maybe Cincinatti is the third team, and Pie (with Mitre) goes there in exchange for Dunn, Milton goes to Florida with us picking up salary, and Pierre comes here with Walker and Patterson going to Florida

 

You just brought me down USS.

 

As in, I just made you feel worse?

 

I dunno, we give up Pie, Walker, Patterson and Mitre and cash and get Dunn and Pierre?

 

Hmm...that does seem like a lot to give up, on second look. Maybe substitute cash with a low level prospect.

 

I didn't see the Dunn part! :oops:

 

Would you give up those 4 plus cash to get Dunn and Pierre? Would you also give Nolasco to the Reds?

[CuseCubFan69]

IMO the Reds are going to want 2 good pitching prospects like a Williams, Hill or Guzman.

 

But Pie would trump that, since it gives them a top prospect. They also shed a part of Milton's salary, which would be good for a team like the Reds. If we eat a lot of salary, they get Mitre. If we don't eat a lot of salary, we give them Nolasco. I think the Reds would be very happy with that haul for one mistake contract, and one guy who's gone after 2007.

 

The Marlins would take Milton to replace Burnett, and Paterson to replace Pierre. They also get Walker and have to chance to move Castillo.

 

But the Reds need pitching so why would they want Pie unless they are going to move him or Griffey for pitching?

[Wheelimus]

Yeah, Pie makes no sense for the Reds (Griffey blocks him for the next 3 seasons), and the Marlins would need to be giving up more than just Pierre if they think they'd get Pie back.

 

I think you could swing the deal for other minor league talent...

[USSoccer]

IMO the Reds are going to want 2 good pitching prospects like a Williams, Hill or Guzman.

 

But Pie would trump that, since it gives them a top prospect. They also shed a part of Milton's salary, which would be good for a team like the Reds. If we eat a lot of salary, they get Mitre. If we don't eat a lot of salary, we give them Nolasco. I think the Reds would be very happy with that haul for one mistake contract, and one guy who's gone after 2007.

 

The Marlins would take Milton to replace Burnett, and Paterson to replace Pierre. They also get Walker and have to chance to move Castillo.

 

But the Reds need pitching so why would they want Pie unless they are going to move him or Griffey for pitching?

 

Well, they can move Pena for pitching, or Pie. They could take some of the money saved by getting rid of Milton and sign a pitcher. They could try and deal griffey to the White Sox again. Pie gives them a big, big barganing chip, though.

[USSoccer]

Yeah, Pie makes no sense for the Reds (Griffey blocks him for the next 3 seasons), and the Marlins would need to be giving up more than just Pierre if they think they'd get Pie back.

 

I think you could swing the deal for other minor league talent...

 

The Reds could move Griffey to a corner to get a full season out of him. Griffey in LF is probably a very likely move soon. Also, the Reds could turn around and deal Pie if they liked.

 

The Marlins would have the luxury of dealing Castillo if they recieved Walker.

[snoodmonger]

How about Hill and Pawelek for Dunn? Maybe add one more mid-level prospect.

 

They save a ton of money and got two high-potential lefties. Clear a slot in the OF.

 

Is that enough to get it done?

[JeffH]

Can't trade new draftees until the following June.

[snoodmonger]

Can't trade new draftees until the following June.

 

That's right. Not to hijack, but what's the reason for that rule?

[JeffH]

I don't know. My guess is that it's just an extension of the "can't trade draft choices" rule.

[WrigleyField 22]

I personally wouldn't give up Pie in a deal for Dunn unless it meant they were throwing something else valuable our way. But beyond Pie I would give up any other prospect.

 

They would no doubt initially demand Pie, but we have enough talent (especially pitching) to get a deal done.

 

Williams, Hill, Nolasco/Pinto, Novoa(or anyone similar to him) and choice of a minor league bat(excluding Pie)- could be Sing(who could be like Dunn with less power but higher AVG and OBP), Harvey, etc

 

for

 

Dunn

That deal could vary,

-we throw in Murton and also get Kearns,

-throw in Murton instead of Hill/Williams,

-throw in Cedeno instead of someone-I don't know if they need a 2B/SS, give

-Walker if a 2B is what they need(hes as good as gone so might as well package him for something real valuable)

-throw in additional major league ready guys for Freel, who would look nice in UTIL

 

We can do this deal without Pie.

[badgercub]

I personally wouldn't give up Pie in a deal for Dunn unless it meant they were throwing something else valuable our way. But beyond Pie I would give up any other prospect.

 

They would no doubt initially demand Pie, but we have enough talent (especially pitching) to get a deal done.

 

Williams, Hill, Nolasco/Pinto, Novoa(or anyone similar to him) and choice of a minor league bat(excluding Pie)- could be Sing(who could be like Dunn with less power but higher AVG and OBP), Harvey, etc

 

for

 

Dunn

That deal could vary,

-we throw in Murton and also get Kearns,

-throw in Murton instead of Hill/Williams,

-throw in Cedeno instead of someone-I don't know if they need a 2B/SS, give

-Walker if a 2B is what they need(hes as good as gone so might as well package him for something real valuable)

-throw in additional major league ready guys for Freel, who would look nice in UTIL

 

We can do this deal without Pie.

 

I can't believe how much people are over valuing Felix Pie. The guy hasn't even played a year at AA and already he is the second coming. A majority of the posters on this board are clamoring for guys with high OBP, yet you want to pin all your hopes on an uber prospect whose plate discipline thus far is lacking. While Pie may end up being a great player, he is not there yet, and may never get there, while a player like Dunn is there and has been there for an extended period of time.

[BigbadB]

I personally wouldn't give up Pie in a deal for Dunn unless it meant they were throwing something else valuable our way. But beyond Pie I would give up any other prospect.

 

They would no doubt initially demand Pie, but we have enough talent (especially pitching) to get a deal done.

 

Williams, Hill, Nolasco/Pinto, Novoa(or anyone similar to him) and choice of a minor league bat(excluding Pie)- could be Sing(who could be like Dunn with less power but higher AVG and OBP), Harvey, etc

 

for

 

Dunn

That deal could vary,

-we throw in Murton and also get Kearns,

-throw in Murton instead of Hill/Williams,

-throw in Cedeno instead of someone-I don't know if they need a 2B/SS, give

-Walker if a 2B is what they need(hes as good as gone so might as well package him for something real valuable)

-throw in additional major league ready guys for Freel, who would look nice in UTIL

 

We can do this deal without Pie.

 

I can't believe how much people are over valuing Felix Pie. The guy hasn't even played a year at AA and already he is the second coming. A majority of the posters on this board are clamoring for guys with high OBP, yet you want to pin all your hopes on an uber prospect whose plate discipline thus far is lacking. While Pie may end up being a great player, he is not there yet, and may never get there, while a player like Dunn is there and has been there for an extended period of time.

 

If it costs Pie, I'd still do it. But, I'm with the crowd that thinks that Cincinnati would want pitching in return. If you put Williams (major league ready), Mitre (sinker baller would fit well in Cincy) and Nolasco or Pinto or Novoa, I don't know why Cincy would be all that hesitant. They still have 3 outfielders and have improved the pitching staff.

[Flames24Rulz]

put me in the category of giving up Pie if we can get Dunn.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

I personally wouldn't give up Pie in a deal for Dunn unless it meant they were throwing something else valuable our way. But beyond Pie I would give up any other prospect.

 

They would no doubt initially demand Pie, but we have enough talent (especially pitching) to get a deal done.

 

Williams, Hill, Nolasco/Pinto, Novoa(or anyone similar to him) and choice of a minor league bat(excluding Pie)- could be Sing(who could be like Dunn with less power but higher AVG and OBP), Harvey, etc

 

for

 

Dunn

That deal could vary,

-we throw in Murton and also get Kearns,

-throw in Murton instead of Hill/Williams,

-throw in Cedeno instead of someone-I don't know if they need a 2B/SS, give

-Walker if a 2B is what they need(hes as good as gone so might as well package him for something real valuable)

-throw in additional major league ready guys for Freel, who would look nice in UTIL

 

We can do this deal without Pie.

 

I can't believe how much people are over valuing Felix Pie. The guy hasn't even played a year at AA and already he is the second coming. A majority of the posters on this board are clamoring for guys with high OBP, yet you want to pin all your hopes on an uber prospect whose plate discipline thus far is lacking. While Pie may end up being a great player, he is not there yet, and may never get there, while a player like Dunn is there and has been there for an extended period of time.

 

Pie isn't an uber-prospect. He isn't even a blue chip prospect, but he's the best we have and part of his value is how much we value him (ie our unwillingness to part with him). His value is higher than his record warrants, i'll give you that.

[Andy]

put me in the category of giving up Pie if we can get Dunn.

Me too. I'd also do it to get Chad Tracy, to go off-topic slightly.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

If it costs Pie, I'd still do it. But, I'm with the crowd that thinks that Cincinnati would want pitching in return. If you put Williams (major league ready), Mitre (sinker baller would fit well in Cincy) and Nolasco or Pinto or Novoa, I don't know why Cincy would be all that hesitant. They still have 3 outfielders and have improved the pitching staff.

 

I think they'd want pitching too, but I think you'll have to do better than Williams, Mitre, and Nolasco or Pinto.

 

I could see them wanting 2 of Mitre, Williams, and Hill + Guzman or Pinto and maybe one other prospcts.

 

As steep as it is, I'd pay it and say, "Thanks, sir. Can I have another!"

[Proven Veteran]

Maybe I'm crazy, but the guy I'd LEAST want to give up is Jerome Williams. He's only 23 and he's already an above average MLB pitcher. He's almost 2 years younger than Rich Hill and the same age as Guzman. Pie has zero plate discipline, he may find some eventually, but that could very likely be after the window has closed for this group.

[USSoccer]

Maybe I'm crazy, but the guy I'd LEAST want to give up is Jerome Williams. He's only 23 and he's already an above average MLB pitcher. He's almost 2 years younger than Rich Hill and the same age as Guzman. Pie has zero plate discipline, he may find some eventually, but that could very likely be after the window has closed for this group.

 

I like Williams too. I think he'll have a really nice, Kevin Millwood-esque career, maybe even a little better.

[BigbadB]

I think it's pretty safe to say that no one would be interested in Guzman at this point. Which is fine by me.

 

Healthy, he's a top notch starting prospect. Injured, he's worthless.

 

I don't see any team risking a huge trade for a guy who may never prove healthy.

[CuseCubFan69]

Maybe I'm crazy, but the guy I'd LEAST want to give up is Jerome Williams. He's only 23 and he's already an above average MLB pitcher. He's almost 2 years younger than Rich Hill and the same age as Guzman. Pie has zero plate discipline, he may find some eventually, but that could very likely be after the window has closed for this group.

 

I like Williams too. I think he'll have a really nice, Kevin Millwood-esque career, maybe even a little better.

 

If I were the Reds I would start with Williams and Hill and go from there.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think it's pretty safe to say that no one would be interested in Guzman at this point. Which is fine by me.

 

Healthy, he's a top notch starting prospect. Injured, he's worthless.

 

I don't see any team risking a huge trade for a guy who may never prove healthy.

 

That's too bad because the Royals just called Hendry and asked if he would send Guzman for X. :D

[ManCrushOnNomar]

Great, the D word has been whispered by the media. Here comes another 3 months of drool and man-love.

[scs_paradise]

I personally wouldn't give up Pie in a deal for Dunn unless it meant they were throwing something else valuable our way. But beyond Pie I would give up any other prospect.

 

They would no doubt initially demand Pie, but we have enough talent (especially pitching) to get a deal done.

 

Williams, Hill, Nolasco/Pinto, Novoa(or anyone similar to him) and choice of a minor league bat(excluding Pie)- could be Sing(who could be like Dunn with less power but higher AVG and OBP), Harvey, etc

 

for

 

Dunn

That deal could vary,

-we throw in Murton and also get Kearns,

-throw in Murton instead of Hill/Williams,

-throw in Cedeno instead of someone-I don't know if they need a 2B/SS, give

-Walker if a 2B is what they need(hes as good as gone so might as well package him for something real valuable)

-throw in additional major league ready guys for Freel, who would look nice in UTIL

 

We can do this deal without Pie.

 

I can't believe how much people are over valuing Felix Pie. The guy hasn't even played a year at AA and already he is the second coming. A majority of the posters on this board are clamoring for guys with high OBP, yet you want to pin all your hopes on an uber prospect whose plate discipline thus far is lacking. While Pie may end up being a great player, he is not there yet, and may never get there, while a player like Dunn is there and has been there for an extended period of time.

 

I couldn't agree more. I've said this many times only to be hammered by the crowd on here that think we need to just keep centerfield warm for Pie. I don't think he's done anything to get very excited about. Most of me thinks his value is equivalent to the over valued hype given Bobby Hill. There is a reason they are called "prospects" and if we can get a known valuable commodity for an unproven prospect, go for it.

[TruffleShuffle]

Pie will never get traded for Dunn..... Pie's plate discipline is questionable and Dunn's is very good, and we all know the Cubs won't stand for guys who walk a lot.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Great, the D word has been whispered by the media. Here comes another 3 months of drool and man-love.

 

that's pretty funny considering your moniker. :lol: