11/13 Bears vs. 49ers

[UK1679666180]

If the Bears come away with Lewis and Connor Hughes (K) from UVA, I'll be happy.

 

Oh yeah, Hackney in the 7th.

 

I'm such a dolt when it comes to the NFL draft.

[UK1679666180]

Btw, is it too early to talk about the '06 draft? :)

 

Marcedes Lewis would look good at the Bears starting TE next year, I'm pretty sure Raisin would agree.

 

I've been thinking about it since April.

 

I'm guessing the Bears will be between 16-20. Without naming names I'd like to see O line (the oldest group on the team) addressed, but would be very happy with a defensive playmaker.

 

There's a T/G out of LSU by the name of Livings, I like in the 3rd or 4th rd.

[UK1679666180]

I think the Bears have decent depth on the line, it is getting older though like you mentioned. But, T depth of Tait, Miller, and St. Clair as well as Brown, Metcalf, and Garza is decent.

 

I think they need more playmakers as well as a QB who can get it to them, sorry Orton.

 

A WR in the 2nd and a TE in the 1st would improve this offense greatly.

 

I'd like a S in the 3rd, I love Watkins out of FSU.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I would like to see them go with Lewis in the first and then a wide out guard in the second and third.

[UK1679666180]

If Lee from Pitt ends up in the 2nd, he'll make a good WR along side Moose, depending on Bradley and his situation.

[goonys evil twin]

I think they need more playmakers as well as a QB who can get it to them, sorry Orton.

 

Orton and Grossman will make for a pretty good QB battle next summer. I wouldn't mind taking on another experiment late in the draft, but QB isn't going to be addressed this coming offseason.

 

This team is going to win on the strength of defense and the running game. RB is set, both with quality and depth. WR is still filled with holes, but I don't see this team ever being a strong 3 WR offense. I wouldn't be opposed to a WR early, but it would not be a priority in the 1st for me. TE is hit or miss. I can't think of too many great 1st round TE in the league. I don't see a Shockey out there right now. Personally I'd rather wait for a TE in the 2nd or 3rd.

[Jon]

For those who didn't see the Sounds of the Game segment on GNL Sunday:

http://org-www.chicagobears.com/multimedia/

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I'm guessing the Bears will be between 16-20. Without naming names I'd like to see O line (the oldest group on the team) addressed, but would be very happy with a defensive playmaker.

What position do you think they should take a defensive playmaker in the first round at? The front 7 is pretty much set. The only position I can even imagine them picking on the first day would be OLB and Hunter has really stepped up and had a great year so far. Plus Lovie said that they aren't going to use a top pick to fill that position when it is going to see the field around half of the game.

 

They could take a cornerback, especially with the fact that Azumah could be lost in free agency. However, Tillman has a ton of potential still and Vasher is a ballhawk that I would like to have on the field as much as possible. You don't use a mid first round pick on a nickleback.

 

You could say a safety but it had better be a pretty special player to take him in the first round and Harris has done a decent job in there. Personally, I think our defense in fine right now, outside of a nickleback if Azumah leaves and some depth at OLB/CB.

[goonys evil twin]

Personally, I think our defense in fine right now, outside of a nickleback if Azumah leaves and some depth at OLB/CB.

 

The defense is more than fine right now. But a dominating D is also their best chance of winning a super bowl. I don't see a mid-to-late 1st round WR really helping to turn the offense into greatness in 2006, that depends entirely on the battle between Orton and Grossman. I would take a d lineman who can help them put pressure on the QB without blitzing help, something they still have issues with. But I'd really like a stud D back. They've got some good players back there, but the corners are more like a collection of #2 guys than anything else.

 

I would not hesitate to draft a playmaking linebacker either. I think this group is likely to be broken up in the next couple years, just like the previous group, and they need that pipeline to keep flowing.

[UK1679666180]

I think they need more playmakers as well as a QB who can get it to them, sorry Orton.

 

Orton and Grossman will make for a pretty good QB battle next summer. I wouldn't mind taking on another experiment late in the draft, but QB isn't going to be addressed this coming offseason.

 

This team is going to win on the strength of defense and the running game. RB is set, both with quality and depth. WR is still filled with holes, but I don't see this team ever being a strong 3 WR offense. I wouldn't be opposed to a WR early, but it would not be a priority in the 1st for me. TE is hit or miss. I can't think of too many great 1st round TE in the league. I don't see a Shockey out there right now. Personally I'd rather wait for a TE in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

FWIW, Orton has a lower QB rating than McNown did during his 1st year. Once Grossman comes back, I'd start Rex and go from there.

 

The Bears will be a predom, 2 WR set, but they don't have two WRs right now. Bradley has to be considered a "?" b/c of his serious injury to his greatest asset, Gage is a #4 WR, Berrian has the ceiling of a #2 WR.

 

Every position is hit or miss to an extent, I don't think TE is any exception. Plus, the few times I've watched UCLA, Lewis has separated himself in a similar manner as Heath Miller did last year.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Every position is hit or miss to an extent, I don't think TE is any exception. Plus, the few times I've watched UCLA, Lewis has separated himself in a similar manner as Heath Miller did last year.

I was just thinking about making a comment on that point. The success rate for a first round pick is somewhere in the area of 50%. I bet if you look at tight end, it isn't far off that number.

[rawaction]

I wouldn't go TE in the 1st either. I would like WR with an outside shot of OLB in the 1st. Hillenmeyer has been awesome this year, from what I can tell (watched 1.5 games), but he's not a difference maker. It would be nice to have some more speed over there. I want a Wilber Marshall over Rosie Colvin type player over there.

[jaydee]

I think they need more playmakers as well as a QB who can get it to them, sorry Orton.

 

Orton and Grossman will make for a pretty good QB battle next summer. I wouldn't mind taking on another experiment late in the draft, but QB isn't going to be addressed this coming offseason.

 

This team is going to win on the strength of defense and the running game. RB is set, both with quality and depth. WR is still filled with holes, but I don't see this team ever being a strong 3 WR offense. I wouldn't be opposed to a WR early, but it would not be a priority in the 1st for me. TE is hit or miss. I can't think of too many great 1st round TE in the league. I don't see a Shockey out there right now. Personally I'd rather wait for a TE in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

FWIW, Orton has a lower QB rating than McNown did during his 1st year. Once Grossman comes back, I'd start Rex and go from there.

 

The Bears will be a predom, 2 WR set, but they don't have two WRs right now. Bradley has to be considered a "?" b/c of his serious injury to his greatest asset, Gage is a #4 WR, Berrian has the ceiling of a #2 WR.

 

Every position is hit or miss to an extent, I don't think TE is any exception. Plus, the few times I've watched UCLA, Lewis has separated himself in a similar manner as Heath Miller did last year.

 

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

[UK1679666180]

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

 

Is that b/c Orton is having a good year or Vick is having a down year?

 

Orton has done nothing to lock him in as the #1 when Grossman comes back. There would be a case if the passing game was clicking, but it hasn't done nothing. While the Bears do need a better #2 WR and TE, part of the problem has been Orton and should be corrected w/Grossman.

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/PRAT/2005/regular

[adamb0719]

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

 

Why the quotations?

[Careless]

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

 

Why the quotations?

Probably because that was the week where people were saying "this is the vick we've waited to see!"

Interestingly, vick's season qb rating is identical to his career rating

[Keener98]

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

 

Is that b/c Orton is having a good year or Vick is having a down year?

 

Orton has done nothing to lock him in as the #1 when Grossman comes back. There would be a case if the passing game was clicking, but it hasn't done nothing. While the Bears do need a better #2 WR and TE, part of the problem has been Orton and should be corrected w/Grossman.

 

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFC/PRAT/2005/regular

 

Agreed. If you throw Grossman in there I think there is very slim chance he does any worse than Orton has when it comes to throwing the ball. Orton has missed so many wide open recievers(and by about 10-15 yards). At worst Grossman gives you exactly what Orton does, but why not see if Grossman can come in and hit those guys down field that Orton has been over/under throwing all year. If Grossman can come in and hit those recievers down field then I could see the Bears winning a playoff game but as it stands right now the Bears can not beat really good teams by just running the ball every play, and having no down field threat.

[adamb0719]

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

 

Why the quotations?

Probably because that was the week where people were saying "this is the vick we've waited to see!"

Interestingly, vick's season qb rating is identical to his career rating

 

Ah, the week where stated he proved he could pass?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

I think they need more playmakers as well as a QB who can get it to them, sorry Orton.

 

Orton and Grossman will make for a pretty good QB battle next summer. I wouldn't mind taking on another experiment late in the draft, but QB isn't going to be addressed this coming offseason.

 

This team is going to win on the strength of defense and the running game. RB is set, both with quality and depth. WR is still filled with holes, but I don't see this team ever being a strong 3 WR offense. I wouldn't be opposed to a WR early, but it would not be a priority in the 1st for me. TE is hit or miss. I can't think of too many great 1st round TE in the league. I don't see a Shockey out there right now. Personally I'd rather wait for a TE in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

FWIW, Orton has a lower QB rating than McNown did during his 1st year. Once Grossman comes back, I'd start Rex and go from there.

 

The Bears will be a predom, 2 WR set, but they don't have two WRs right now. Bradley has to be considered a "?" b/c of his serious injury to his greatest asset, Gage is a #4 WR, Berrian has the ceiling of a #2 WR.

 

Every position is hit or miss to an extent, I don't think TE is any exception. Plus, the few times I've watched UCLA, Lewis has separated himself in a similar manner as Heath Miller did last year.

 

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

Can Orton run for 100 yards in a game? I think Vick is WAY overrated anyways...

[adamb0719]

Can Orton run for 100 yards in a game? I think Vick is WAY overrated anyways...

 

I don't. When he plays the Falcons win. When he doesn't they lose. OK, maybe some people speak to highly of him, but he is a great QB, IMO.

[Andy]

2 weeks ago Orton had a better QB rating than the "great" vick

 

Why the quotations?

Probably because that was the week where people were saying "this is the vick we've waited to see!"

Interestingly, vick's season qb rating is identical to his career rating

 

Ah, the week where stated he proved he could pass?

Yeah, the first time he broke 200 yards this season. Of course, Josh McCown threw for 367 against Carolina, but no one gave him enough credit. Granted the Cards lost the game...

[Keener98]

Can Orton run for 100 yards in a game? I think Vick is WAY overrated anyways...

 

I don't. When he plays the Falcons win. When he doesn't they lose. OK, maybe some people speak to highly of him, but he is a great QB, IMO.

 

He played against the Pack this last Sunday and couldnt lead them to a win vs a pretty shaky Pack team. I wouldnt say hes a great QB, but I definatly would take him on the Bears :wink:

[adamb0719]

Can Orton run for 100 yards in a game? I think Vick is WAY overrated anyways...

 

I don't. When he plays the Falcons win. When he doesn't they lose. OK, maybe some people speak to highly of him, but he is a great QB, IMO.

 

He played against the Pack this last Sunday and couldnt lead them to a win vs a pretty shaky Pack team. I wouldnt say hes a great QB, but I definatly would take him on the Bears :wink:

 

Ya can't win every game :wink: . I just think he is good because has proven that the team needs him in order to win. He has a decent arm but is just not your typical QB. Just because he doesn't fit the mold does not make him bad, IMO. I think he gets to much criticism.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Can Orton run for 100 yards in a game? I think Vick is WAY overrated anyways...

 

I don't. When he plays the Falcons win. When he doesn't they lose. OK, maybe some people speak to highly of him, but he is a great QB, IMO.

Obviously you haven't watched many games with Schaub at the helm...

[adamb0719]

Can Orton run for 100 yards in a game? I think Vick is WAY overrated anyways...

 

I don't. When he plays the Falcons win. When he doesn't they lose. OK, maybe some people speak to highly of him, but he is a great QB, IMO.

Obviously you haven't watched many games with Schaub at the helm...

 

Actually I haven't. Has he played in many? I remember one last year that did not turn out too well.