Trade Cedeno...

[CubsWin]

Although his stats in the minors were good, I say we sign Furcal, and trade Cedeno for an outfielder.

 

Furcal has already proven himself in the big leagues, has already been in the playoffs, and is coming from one of the leagues best franchises. He brings experience, and talent to the table.

 

While Cedeno looks good on paper, its my opinion that he doesen't seem to be a groundbreaking kind of player, and if we're not going to give him the starting job, its best to trade him now while his value is at its highest.

 

Can't trade Ronny! Who will start at 2B after Todd Walker is dealt?

:wink:

You wink, but its true.

 

They would have to move Hairston to 2B and then who would play CF? :wink:

[HoopsCubs]

Although his stats in the minors were good, I say we sign Furcal, and trade Cedeno for an outfielder.

 

Furcal has already proven himself in the big leagues, has already been in the playoffs, and is coming from one of the leagues best franchises. He brings experience, and talent to the table.

 

While Cedeno looks good on paper, its my opinion that he doesen't seem to be a groundbreaking kind of player, and if we're not going to give him the starting job, its best to trade him now while his value is at its highest.

 

Can't trade Ronny! Who will start at 2B after Todd Walker is dealt?

:wink:

You wink, but its true.

 

They would have to move Hairston to 2B and then who would play CF? :wink:

 

Why, Kenny Lofton, of course. :twisted:

[CuseCubFan69]

Although his stats in the minors were good, I say we sign Furcal, and trade Cedeno for an outfielder.

 

Furcal has already proven himself in the big leagues, has already been in the playoffs, and is coming from one of the leagues best franchises. He brings experience, and talent to the table.

 

While Cedeno looks good on paper, its my opinion that he doesen't seem to be a groundbreaking kind of player, and if we're not going to give him the starting job, its best to trade him now while his value is at its highest.

 

Can't trade Ronny! Who will start at 2B after Todd Walker is dealt?

:wink:

You wink, but its true.

 

They would have to move Hairston to 2B and then who would play CF? :wink:

 

Why, Kenny Lofton, of course. :twisted:

 

Unless Cedeno was part of a trade for a CF!

 

I think Cedeno will be a 270/330 type of hitter. If he can play defense, which I think he can, I'd like to just put him at SS and have Walker at 2nd. What worries me about this idea is what kind of SS Hendry would get to back him up because we all know that Baker would play the Enrique Wilson types out there instead when given a chance.

[CUBZ99]

Although his stats in the minors were good, I say we sign Furcal, and trade Cedeno for an outfielder.

 

Furcal has already proven himself in the big leagues, has already been in the playoffs, and is coming from one of the leagues best franchises. He brings experience, and talent to the table.

 

While Cedeno looks good on paper, its my opinion that he doesen't seem to be a groundbreaking kind of player, and if we're not going to give him the starting job, its best to trade him now while his value is at its highest.

 

Can't trade Ronny! Who will start at 2B after Todd Walker is dealt?

:wink:

You wink, but its true.

 

They would have to move Hairston to 2B and then who would play CF? :wink:

 

Why, Kenny Lofton, of course. :twisted:

 

Unless Cedeno was part of a trade for a CF!

 

I think Cedeno will be a 270/330 type of hitter. If he can play defense, which I think he can, I'd like to just put him at SS and have Walker at 2nd. What worries me about this idea is what kind of SS Hendry would get to back him up because we all know that Baker would play the Enrique Wilson types out there instead when given a chance.

 

Is Hairston coming back next year? :pukel:

[CubsWin]

Is Hairston coming back next year? :pukel:

He is arbitration eligible, so he could be non-tendered, but I doubt the Cubs will do that. I expect him to be on the roster for '06.

 

Hairston isn't going to be an all-star or anyone's favorite player, but the guy brings speed and some versatility. He also can get on base better than most Cubs can. He had a down year. If he can perform more like he did in '04, he can be valueable. I don't want him in the starting line-up, however. He best serves a team as a super-sub.

 

Plus, if he isn't starting, the likelihood of Macias being off the team goes up. 8)

[imb]

Furcal

 

VORP - 41st - 7th SS

Win Shares - 25th - 3rd SS

RC - 43rd - 7th SS

Fielding WS - 3rd - 1st SS

[HoopsCubs]

Furcal

 

VORP - 41st - 7th SS

Win Shares - 25th - 3rd SS

RC - 43rd - 7th SS

Fielding WS - 3rd - 1st SS

 

Out of curiousity, what are Julio Lugo's rankings in those 4 categories?

 

Thanks,

Hoops

[UK1679666180]

Lugo: (among SS)

 

Vorp 5th

Win Shares (total) 7th

Fielding WS 14th

RC-6th

[frostwyrm]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

[rawaction]

Lugo: (among SS)

 

Vorp 5th

Win Shares (total) 7th

Fielding WS 14th

RC-6th

 

I think Cedeno's career will be very similar to Lugo's. Despite the turnaround season in AA and the huge AAA 1/2 season, I think Cedeno is gonna be a late bloomer. I think if Cedeno started everyday in 06, he would be a .260 ish hitter, with an OBP in the .320s, and slug just under .400. I think his upside is of a .280s hitter with a .340-.350 OBP and low-to-mid .400s SLP. Not gonna be the elite SS in the league, but could be a very productive player in the top 1/3 of the league at his position.

[rawaction]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

 

I'm starting to warm up to Furcal. Bottom line is he will help the Cubs win more games than any other available option at SS. Nomar's likely to get hurt again. Cedeno's a good, cheap option, but isn't gonna be on Furcal's level right away. The price tag is scary, but the Cubs can afford to pay it and still fill the other holes on the team.

[USSoccer]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

 

I'm starting to warm up to Furcal. Bottom line is he will help the Cubs win more games than any other available option at SS. Nomar's likely to get hurt again. Cedeno's a good, cheap option, but isn't gonna be on Furcal's level right away. The price tag is scary, but the Cubs can afford to pay it and still fill the other holes on the team.

 

In a perfect world, we could sign Furcal and have Ronny play the Neifi role in 2006 of backup 2B, SS and 3B.

[rawaction]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

 

I'm starting to warm up to Furcal. Bottom line is he will help the Cubs win more games than any other available option at SS. Nomar's likely to get hurt again. Cedeno's a good, cheap option, but isn't gonna be on Furcal's level right away. The price tag is scary, but the Cubs can afford to pay it and still fill the other holes on the team.

 

In a perfect world, we could sign Furcal and have Ronny play the Neifi role in 2006 of backup 2B, SS and 3B.

 

Perfect would be a trade for Lugo. Keep him for 1 year, have Ronny play the super IF sub role and then be able to take over SS in 07 with little dropoff.

[USSoccer]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

 

I'm starting to warm up to Furcal. Bottom line is he will help the Cubs win more games than any other available option at SS. Nomar's likely to get hurt again. Cedeno's a good, cheap option, but isn't gonna be on Furcal's level right away. The price tag is scary, but the Cubs can afford to pay it and still fill the other holes on the team.

 

In a perfect world, we could sign Furcal and have Ronny play the Neifi role in 2006 of backup 2B, SS and 3B.

 

Perfect would be a trade for Lugo. Keep him for 1 year, have Ronny play the super IF sub role and then be able to take over SS in 07 with little dropoff.

 

Yeah, that would be better. You're right.

[CUBZ99]

Is Hairston coming back next year? :pukel:

He is arbitration eligible, so he could be non-tendered, but I doubt the Cubs will do that. I expect him to be on the roster for '06.

 

Hairston isn't going to be an all-star or anyone's favorite player, but the guy brings speed and some versatility. He also can get on base better than most Cubs can. He had a down year. If he can perform more like he did in '04, he can be valueable. I don't want him in the starting line-up, however. He best serves a team as a super-sub.

 

Plus, if he isn't starting, the likelihood of Macias being off the team goes up. 8)

 

That would be the only thing about Hairston coming back that sounds good. I was really looking forward to seeing what Hairston could do when the Cubs got him, but he was less than impressive.

[USSoccer]

So in a perfect world, Macias and Perez are replaced by Hairston and Cedeno?

 

I like that.

[RynoRules]

I'd like to see Ronny play every day, either at 2B or SS, but I appear to be in the minority on that one. I also do not think Furcal is worth the scratch he is rumored to be seeking.

[CubsWin]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

Very well said. =D> =D> =D>

[RockTheIvy]

I don't understand the fascination with Furcal. Regardless of Dusty's horsecrap about off-line throws, Cedeno is an excellent defender, as is Furcal, so if we pay Furcal $8M over and above the league minimum we are predominantly paying that amount for Furcal's bat. There is no way Furcal's bat is worth $8M. I'll take Cedeno at the league minimum.

 

I'm starting to warm up to Furcal. Bottom line is he will help the Cubs win more games than any other available option at SS. Nomar's likely to get hurt again. Cedeno's a good, cheap option, but isn't gonna be on Furcal's level right away. The price tag is scary, but the Cubs can afford to pay it and still fill the other holes on the team.

 

I am starting to feel the same way. I really want Nomar back, because I believe he still has a .290/.350/.500 season in him. But the Cubs haven't been sacrificing enough to the Durability gods, so I think Furcal might be the way to go. Now if we sign Furcal, we better make sure we have strong OBP guys (eg, Dunn, Giles or Abreu) in the OF just as insurance in case Furcal pulls a Blauser on us and sucks. But an OBP in the 340-350 range, 40+ steals, good power and defense for for the position might be too much for Hendry to pass up.

[Tim]

If we do sign Furcal, I hope that Hendry investigates Arizona as a destination for Cedeno. I know they have Stephen Drew and eventually Justin Upton at SS, but I can't believe they want to go with Royce Clayton for another year. If we could create a package for them, they have a lot of very interesting pieces. I still see them as the Cubs best trading partner this offseason.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

If we do sign Furcal, I hope that Hendry investigates Arizona as a destination for Cedeno. I know they have Stephen Drew and eventually Justin Upton at SS, but I can't believe they want to go with Royce Clayton for another year. If we could create a package for them, they have a lot of very interesting pieces. I still see them as the Cubs best trading partner this offseason.

 

AZ should have an interesting offseason - looks like they hired a smart guy in Josh Byrnes.

[USSoccer]

If we do sign Furcal, I hope that Hendry investigates Arizona as a destination for Cedeno. I know they have Stephen Drew and eventually Justin Upton at SS, but I can't believe they want to go with Royce Clayton for another year. If we could create a package for them, they have a lot of very interesting pieces. I still see them as the Cubs best trading partner this offseason.

 

If Manny is really on the blocks, I can see AZ being a good trading partner for Boston. They do have a lot of different options this offseason.

[CubsWin]

Is Hairston coming back next year? :pukel:

He is arbitration eligible, so he could be non-tendered, but I doubt the Cubs will do that. I expect him to be on the roster for '06.

 

Hairston isn't going to be an all-star or anyone's favorite player, but the guy brings speed and some versatility. He also can get on base better than most Cubs can. He had a down year. If he can perform more like he did in '04, he can be valueable. I don't want him in the starting line-up, however. He best serves a team as a super-sub.

 

Plus, if he isn't starting, the likelihood of Macias being off the team goes up. 8)

 

That would be the only thing about Hairston coming back that sounds good. I was really looking forward to seeing what Hairston could do when the Cubs got him, but he was less than impressive.

True, but that was just one season. Last year he hit .261 with a .336 OBP. Nothing worth celebrating. But in '04 he hit .303/.378 and in '03 he hit .271/.353. He can do better than what he showed us last season.

[HoopsCubs]

If Manny is really on the blocks, I can see AZ being a good trading partner for Boston. They do have a lot of different options this offseason.

 

Manny's 10/5 rights really put Boston in a quandary. I don't think Manny wants to go to Arizona. I still think Gammons' 3-way deal rumour of Manny going to Anaheim, a bunch of prospects going from Anaheim to Arizona, and Troy Glaus and a prospect heading to Boston makes a lot of sense. Youkilis can play 1B.

Edited October 31, 2005 by HoopsCubs

[BigbadB]

Cedeno can't be traded. With Walker and Aramis in the infield (and possibly Nomar as well), Cedeno is much needed insurance.

 

Because we really haven't a clue whether Cedeno is going to be good enough to be an everyday player, the only way you can give him a starting job is if you get a ++ offensive player (Giles) to compliment what weaknesses Cedeno may have offensively.