A Cubs Fan's rant over the hypocricy of Chicago right now

[Bruno7481]

Congrats to the Sox. If the Cubs don't make it I really don't care who wins it. Maybe the White Sox winning this thing will motivate the Cubs Organization to make the necessary moves to get them in the same position.

 

You really think there were no bandwagon jumper in 2003? Thats what I hated most about that year. People insinuating that I was a bandwagon jumper for the Cubs.

 

The Sox won it, the Cubs didn't. Good for them.

[Cubzfan64]

We'll have to agree to disagree on Steinbrenner. You do have to like his passion, but as an organization, you can't possibly approve of everyone having to worry about whether they'll have a job every morning when they wake up. A lot of them end up losing their jobs.

 

We probably agree much more than you think! We agree on respecting his passion and desire to win, and I agree with you that worrying about your job everday is NOT a good situation. That said however, I personally think there's a "healthy" degree of fear that has a purpose as a real motivator to do the best job you can - I'm guessing it lies somewhere between George's impulsiveness and hot headedness and what we've seen from the Cubs the last few years.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

AJ is despicable? Yet, if Michael Barrett did the same thing, he'd be a genius. Buerhle is a classless tool? Hmmm, let's talk about Carlos Zambrano. Ozzie is perfect for the Sox, let's discuss Herman Franks, or better yet, how about Dusty Baker in Game 6 when he was managing the Giants.

 

And let's start hacking away at the Sox fanbase, shall we. Classless, eh? Yeah, I notice how, at the "Cell Block", they're ALL drunk, posing to anyone that will pay attention and yapping away on their cell phones while waving at their friends on the other side of the field, only to leave around the 7th inning. If the White Sox were the obnoxious jerks in high school, then what were the Cubs? Wannabes, dorks, losers - yet lovable?

 

This is exactly what fuels the Sox fans hatred for Cub fans. It used to be hatred of the Cubs, which is what it should be. I remember going to Wrigley and getting a bleacher seat on game day and seeing the same old guys harping on me for blowing off class. No cell phones and no posers. Just people who really wanted to watch a ball game. Now, it's the place to be and the Trib knows it. They're the midwest version of the Yankees, except for one thing - they can't and won't win.

 

Get a grip Sparky... the Sox won and the Cubs didn't...

 

Mozilla please.

[BigbadB]

We'll have to agree to disagree on Steinbrenner. You do have to like his passion, but as an organization, you can't possibly approve of everyone having to worry about whether they'll have a job every morning when they wake up. A lot of them end up losing their jobs.

 

We probably agree much more than you think! We agree on respecting his passion and desire to win, and I agree with you that worrying about your job everday is NOT a good situation. That said however, I personally think there's a "healthy" degree of fear that has a purpose as a real motivator to do the best job you can - I'm guessing it lies somewhere between George's impulsiveness and hot headedness and what we've seen from the Cubs the last few years.

 

Agreed. Opposite ends of the spectrum for those two clubs. Dusty wouldn't even bench a guy who is too lazy to bend over and pick up a ball to throw it back in. Excusing that type of behavior encourages that type of behavior.

[gus_dog]

I don't know if that's true. The Sox fans have never considered themselves cursed and had a whole mythology that they latched onto, have they? They may have had years of ineptitude but they were not "lovable losers," a term that is sickening to most baseball fans who care about W-L.

 

I know that was not your intention in this post, but I think almost every single Cubs fan I have ever met thought that the Curse of the Billy Goat was just bunk. Most Cubs fans know that this history of losing can be attributed to cheap ownership, lack of development of an effective farm system, and sheer ineptitude of players, management, and the front office.

 

The irony of it all is that the Cubs have had a better overall history than the White Sox. More overall wins. More World Series appearances. More playoff appearances. And so on. Yet, here we are today.

 

And, up until recently, I have come across an incredible number of White Sox fans that hated the Cubs more than they loved the White Sox. To them, the best days in Chicago are when the Cubs lose and the White Sox win. Do you want to know how many fun IMs and voice mails I got from White Sox fans after Game 6 of the 2003 NLCS?

 

There are four reasons I'm cheering against the White Sox. First off, AJ Eyechart is one of the more despicable people in baseball from everything I've read. Every single controversial play that he's been involved in during the postseason has made me want to vomit. Secondly, Mark Buerhle is a classless tool. Way to accuse Greg Maddux of throwing a spitter, champ. I'm sure White Sox nation will love you when you bolt for the Cardinals in free agency. Secondly, Ozzie Guillen is an incredible jerk. He's perfect for the White Sox; a guy who will happily bully umpires, make the choke sign to opposing dugouts, and just generally acts like a tool.

 

But, most of all, it's their fanbase. You want obnoxious and classless jerks, visit the Cellblock some time wearing the gear of an opposing team. Take a gander over at White Sox Interactive, where they have an entire forum dedicated to Cubs bashing. Yes, there are people over there who are respectful, intelligent, and mature. But, from my experience, these people tend to be the exception more than the rule.

 

Using a comparison with the Red Sox, Yankees, and their respective fans, I liked Bill Simmons' use of having the Yankees being your top rival in high school who always got the hottest women, seemed to have everything easy in life, ended up going to a top college, and pushed you around at his leisure.

 

The comparison in Chicago is that the White Sox was the obnoxious jerk at your high school who was dumb as a box of rocks, was not particularly well-liked by most people in high school, and who made a habit of picking fights and stuffing people into lockers. After he graduated, he went into a dead end job, became an alcoholic, and now spends his days engaging in schaudenfreude, reveling in the misery of others despite being a drunken, fat loser himself.

 

Only now he's won the lottery.

 

That's pretty much how I feel right now.

 

Ugh.

 

WOW!!!

 

AJ is despicable? Yet, if Michael Barrett did the same thing, he'd be a genius. Buerhle is a classless tool? Hmmm, let's talk about Carlos Zambrano. Ozzie is perfect for the Sox, let's discuss Herman Franks, or better yet, how about Dusty Baker in Game 6 when he was managing the Giants.

 

And let's start hacking away at the Sox fanbase, shall we. Classless, eh? Yeah, I notice how, at the "Cell Block", they're ALL drunk, posing to anyone that will pay attention and yapping away on their cell phones while waving at their friends on the other side of the field, only to leave around the 7th inning. If the White Sox were the obnoxious jerks in high school, then what were the Cubs? Wannabes, dorks, losers - yet lovable?

 

This is exactly what fuels the Sox fans hatred for Cub fans. It used to be hatred of the Cubs, which is what it should be. I remember going to Wrigley and getting a bleacher seat on game day and seeing the same old guys harping on me for blowing off class. No cell phones and no posers. Just people who really wanted to watch a ball game. Now, it's the place to be and the Trib knows it. They're the midwest version of the Yankees, except for one thing - they can't and won't win.

 

Get a grip Sparky... the Sox won and the Cubs didn't...

 

Go grip yourself, 'Sparky'.

 

If a Cub fan, cannot go to a Cub fan forum to drown his sorrows on a lost season, especially when the hated Sox win it all, then there's something wrong.

 

I'll tip my cap to the Sox - they won it all, but there's no way I'll be happy about it.

 

BTW, welcome to the forum! :D

[SouthSideRyan]

I'm gonna have to say if Barret kicked a trainer in the nuts, he'd probably not be regarded as a genius around here.

 

Grinder rule #98: Be a douchebag.