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The rostering (or lack thereof) of Brandon Sing

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The deadline for adding minor leaguers eligible to become six-year minor league free agents to the 40-man roster is typically in mid-October.

 

I believe, since we did not add Sing to the roster, that he is now free to sign with another club.

 

If, however, he does not do so between now and the regular mid-November deadline to add minor leaguers to the 40-man roster, could the Cubs add him at that time? Or has that ship sailed?

 

I'm not suggesting that that's likely, I'd just like to know what's allowable.

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INteresting question, Jeff. In past the Cubs have typically had the two waves of rosterings, the 6-year guys (Zuleta years back and Ohman last fall are examples), and then the Rule 5 protections later on. So if in fact they have declined to roster him before the 6-year free agency deadline, I assume it's highly unlikely they'd decide to roster him later even if they could.

 

I do suspect that they could, though, that it would be permissable. I'd think if he becomes a FA, he can arrange any kind of contract he can get from any team, and the Cubs are on equal footing with St. Louis or KC or whomever. If they want to offer him a roster spot, I assume he could (and would) accept that. If he wants to accept a minor-league contract from the Cubs, I assume he has the freedom to do that.

 

Question: There is a period where players are required to "declare FA". Has it ever happened that somebody was eligible but did not do so, or would there ever be a reason why for a minor leaguer, they might elect not to even declare?

 

In Sing's case, assuming the Cubs elected *not* to roster him, I'd think he might swing a better salary on a minor-league deal elsewhere, but more significantly I'd think a player with his power and production could arrange a roster spot with some team or other. And of course unlike a Rule 5 pick, that team could still option him to the minors for the next three years, so they'd have plenty of time to polish him up.

 

I would think that if Sing does *not* get a better deal elsewhere, either in terms of money or roster status, that there would be little reason to leave. He's been moving up the ladder steadily, he's spoken quite favorably about some of his coaches, he's got a lot of friends in the system, and he's a Chicago area kid. He signed young, had a lot of develolpment to do, and lost hunks of two seasons due to injury. So it's not like the Cubs have been stalling his progression or anything like that. So I'd think taking a minor league contract for the same salary with another team would have zero advantage over taking equivalent deal with the cubs.

 

mhuber makes a good point: if he has become or is about to become a 6-year FA, then what's he doing in the AFL? If he has just become a FA, could he even remain in the league? If he's about to become a FA, would it have made any sense to send him? The fact that the Cubs sent him would seem to suggest that the Cubs expect him to remain with them somehow or other. Maybe the dealine hasn't really passed yet, and they will roster him? Maybe they have already rostered him, but haven't press-released the news? Maybe he's not going to declare FA? Maybe we don't have a full understanding of the rules, and he's not actually eligible yet after all? Maybe he's already told them he won't declare? I dunno. But the fact he's there doesn't seem consistent with a scenario in which he's gone history.

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The 2003-2004 calendar that Mark Peel pulled together has the '03 date listed as October 26 for the starting point of the process.

 

October 26: For the next 15 days from this date, players with 6 or more years of major league service who do not have contracts for the 2004 season may elect free agency. During this period, a player's 2003 club is the only club which can discuss financial terms with the free agent, though other clubs can indicate their interest and sell the player on the advantages of signing with them.

Also, some players traded during the season gain a right to demand a trade after the season; they can exercise that right for the next 15 days from this date forward.

Also, for the next 5 days from this date, a club must offer salary arbitration to a player who previously deferred his eligibility for free agency by demanding a trade.

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Serena, I believe October 15th is the date of interest for what I'm talking about.

 

October 15: Minor league contracts expire for the current season; if a minor league contract has no automatic renewals left, the player becomes a minor league free agent.

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Serena, I believe October 15th is the date of interest for what I'm talking about.

 

October 15: Minor league contracts expire for the current season; if a minor league contract has no automatic renewals left, the player becomes a minor league free agent.

 

Does anybody NOT see Brandon Sing re-upping with the Cubs? Seeing as he grew a Cub fan, I could only see the extreme situations, i which I see him not re-signing with the Cubs.

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Serena, I believe October 15th is the date of interest for what I'm talking about.

 

October 15: Minor league contracts expire for the current season; if a minor league contract has no automatic renewals left, the player becomes a minor league free agent.

 

of course -- for some reason I totally misread what I quoted before.

 

Must have been running on fumes when I posted -- sorry. :oops:

 

 

Like craig said, I would think there are plans in place or in motion to guarantee him a spot (even if he's seen as tradebait). His AFL gig wouldn't seem to make any sense otherwise.

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It could be that he wasn't rostered yet because they don't have the space. Do we have any openings on the 40 man roster yet? I think it's safe to say that they're going to make some moves this winter, and some of the excess arms in AAA are sure to be bartered with. The fact they didn't roster him yet I don't think means in anyway that they are not going to offer him before the Rule 5 period. I think it's a safe bet they'll add him once they make some moves in the offseason and have more space.
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Saw this yesterday

 

Among those to sign are 1B/OF Brandon Sing , RHP Lee Gwaltney , LHPs Phil Norton and Yorkin Ferreras , INF Aaron Sisk , and C Casey Kopitzke

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=citadel-2_458676_260&prov=citadel&type=story

 

Nolen's numbers at Peoria were pretty good, I wonder why they didn't try to re-sign him, at least as organizational filler? It looks to me like both Daytona and West Tenn will be needing bullpen guys for 2006.

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The Cubs, along with the rest of the major league teams, will set their forty man rosters on November 18th.

 

Those that aren't on the forty man roster and are eligible for the Rule 5 Draft, will be eligible for the Draft regardless if they have a signed contract to play the 2006 season with the Cubs.

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The Cubs, along with the rest of the major league teams, will set their forty man rosters on November 18th.

 

Those that aren't on the forty man roster and are eligible for the Rule 5 Draft, will be eligible for the Draft regardless if they have a signed contract to play the 2006 season with the Cubs.

 

Since it is the 18th, any news on what the 40 man is and if Sing was added to it? Who else would we be at a risk of losing if they are not moved onto it?

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They have a few more hours to officially set the roster. If I am a betting man, I say that Sing doesn't make the roster.

 

I found it very interesting that they traded Leicester to the Rangers. I figured that Jon wouldn't be in their plans.

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They have a few more hours to officially set the roster. If I am a betting man, I say that Sing doesn't make the roster.

 

I found it very interesting that they traded Leicester to the Rangers. I figured that Jon wouldn't be in their plans.

According to the 40 man post from ChiefsVoice, he did not (see transcations forum)
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I am going to be pretty upset if he gets picked and ends up sticking with someone.

 

you and Truffle both... :lol:

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The fact they signed him is immaterial. He's still eligible for the Rule 5 draft. The key point is that nobody's going to pick him in the Rule 5 draft when they could have merely signed him as a six-year minor league free agent and not been restricted by the Rule 5 constraints.
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The fact they signed him is immaterial. He's still eligible for the Rule 5 draft. The key point is that nobody's going to pick him in the Rule 5 draft when they could have merely signed him as a six-year minor league free agent and not been restricted by the Rule 5 constraints.

 

Do we know that no one tried to sign him? Maybe he got other offers but decided to stick with the Cubs.

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Is Sing really gonna be anything more than a glorified bench player at best? Why is everyone worried about him. I doubt he gets picked up by anyone.

 

A bench player making league minimum with pop and plate discipline is a fairly valuable commidity in my mind.

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