Should Nomar be offered arbitration?

[Jehrico]

We don't know if Nomar figures into Hendry's offseason plans. He'll be a class A FA, so if he signs elsewhere, we could be entitled to a 1st round draft pick and a sandwich pick (or a 2nd round and a sandwhich if he signs in the bottom half of the league). If we don't offer him arb, we get nothing. However, if we do offer him arb, he may accept, and his salary he'd get from arbitration would be guaranteed (i.e. no incentive based deals come out of arbitration). It's a risky move. Unless he's willing/capable of moving to the OF, that could derail the possibility of going after Furcal, making it harder to get that leadoff hitter, as we'd be limited to going after OFrs that could leadoff, instead of middle infielders or outfielders.

 

If I'm Hendry, I don't know if I'd offer him arbitration or not, that's a tough call. Whichever way he goes, though, I hope he does it quickly so he can get a better picture of who he needs to pursue before the FA signing season picks up.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

You can't risk arbitration. If Nomar accepts, you will pay him close to or more than what he made this year. In fact, my guess is that if he's offered arbitration, he will accept.

 

The only hope for draft compensation is that Nomar signs somewhere before the deadline to offer arbitration passes.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

aren't the FA classes determined by the most recent two seasons stats? how could nomar be a class A with all the time he's missed?

[dbeider]

I would offer him arb. He already said he'd be willing to go to the OF. Worst case scenario is you have Nomar in LF. If he gets injured, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to replace him than if you sunk that much money into him as a SS again. My personal preference is to resign him as a corner OF and spend money on more pitching. If you sign Furcal he can lead off, but I'd like to see Lofton as a shirt term stopgag in CF. Both wouldn't be that bad as 1 & 2 in the lineup.

 

Lofton CF

Furcal SS

Nomar LF

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Murton RF

Barrett C

Cedeno 2B

 

Zambrano

Prior

Wood

Maddux

and sign Washburn or someone else as a 5th starter.

 

Spend as much as possible on the bullpen.

[nilodnayr]

aren't the FA classes determined by the most recent two seasons stats? how could nomar be a class A with all the time he's missed?

 

This is true, I dont know how he could be a class A FA.

[Careless]

I would offer him arb. He already said he'd be willing to go to the OF. Worst case scenario is you have Nomar in LF. If he gets injured, it'd be a hell of a lot easier to replace him than if you sunk that much money into him as a SS again. My personal preference is to resign him as a corner OF and spend money on more pitching. .

But if you sign him and he plays LF, you've just paid good-hitting SS money for an average hitting LF. If you go to arb and he winds up in LF, same deal.

[USSoccer]

aren't the FA classes determined by the most recent two seasons stats? how could nomar be a class A with all the time he's missed?

 

This is true, I dont know how he could be a class A FA.

 

I think he'd be a "B" FA, and as such wouldn't be worth offering arbitration to..

 

We have Cedeno ready to at least get a shot, and we don't *have* to trade Walker. Hendry seems to be targeting Furcal. Those are 2 reasons not to offer Nomar arby.

[Geech]

But if you sign him and he plays LF, you've just paid good-hitting SS money for an average hitting LF. If you go to arb and he winds up in LF, same deal.

 

He can produce well above average for LF.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

But if you sign him and he plays LF, you've just paid good-hitting SS money for an average hitting LF. If you go to arb and he winds up in LF, same deal.

 

He can produce well above average for LF.

 

A sub-800 OPS is not well above average. Well above average for a corner OF is an OPS over 900, a number Nomar has not been able to come close to reaching since his salad days of 1998-2000 with Boston.

 

Put a fork in him.

[USSoccer]

But if you sign him and he plays LF, you've just paid good-hitting SS money for an average hitting LF. If you go to arb and he winds up in LF, same deal.

 

He can produce well above average for LF.

 

A sub-800 OPS is not well above average. Well above average for a corner OF is an OPS over 900, a number Nomar has not been able to come close to reaching since his salad days of 1998-2000 with Boston.

 

Put a fork in him.

 

I think a better way to look at it would be that Matt Murton, in about 150 AB's, proved enough to you to think he could produce an OPS in the 800's in fiull time duty in LF. If we're contenders, we shouldn't be considering moving a guy with a history of injuries to his legs to an OF position when we have a cheap, promising alternative that, unlike Dubois going into 2005, showed enough of a sample size to be trusted with the job in LF.

 

If Nomar wants to take a heavily incentive based deal with a base salary around $4m to play SS, then we should consider keeping him. If not, then we should bid adeiu.

[Geech]

A sub-800 OPS is not well above average. Well above average for a corner OF is an OPS over 900, a number Nomar has not been able to come close to reaching since his salad days of 1998-2000 with Boston.

 

Put a fork in him.

 

Yes, because that's certainly the level he'll produce at instead of the .878 OPS he had after coming off the DL.

 

That being said, I'm not really interested in bringing him back in the OF, either.

[UK1679666180]

If the Cubs can't reach a deal before the pre-season starts and decide to go after Furcal, I hope team like LA signs him quick enough to make the decision for the Cubs.

 

http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/braves/1005/16fragents.html

[NCCubFan]

If you sign Furcal he can lead off, but I'd like to see Lofton as a shirt term stopgag in CF.

I'd rather see him as a pants term stopgap. :lol:

[Jazz]

how much would nomar stand to make in arbaration?

If the sum is not to harsh, i wouldnt mind signing him to be a super utility player. He would split time at SS, 2B, LF, and even 3B. Keep him healthy, and maximize his starts. The depth would be incredible, if the players to fill those 4 positions were to be: Nomar, Furcal, Walker, Murton, Ramirez, FA bench OF, and Cedeno.

[Geech]

He probably won't make much less than his current base. Nomar as a supersub is an idea that needs to die.

[HoopsCubs]

We don't know if Nomar figures into Hendry's offseason plans. He'll be a class A FA, so if he signs elsewhere, we could be entitled to a 1st round draft pick and a sandwich pick (or a 2nd round and a sandwhich if he signs in the bottom half of the league). If we don't offer him arb, we get nothing. However, if we do offer him arb, he may accept, and his salary he'd get from arbitration would be guaranteed (i.e. no incentive based deals come out of arbitration). It's a risky move. Unless he's willing/capable of moving to the OF, that could derail the possibility of going after Furcal, making it harder to get that leadoff hitter, as we'd be limited to going after OFrs that could leadoff, instead of middle infielders or outfielders.

 

If I'm Hendry, I don't know if I'd offer him arbitration or not, that's a tough call. Whichever way he goes, though, I hope he does it quickly so he can get a better picture of who he needs to pursue before the FA signing season picks up.

 

I wouldn't give him arbitration. Today, right now, I'd offer him a 2 year deal for $6M total ($3M each year) as a super utility player - play some 3B, play some SS, play some 2B, play some OF. He gets an additional $3M each year if he reaches 500 PAs. This is a keep your options open move for Hendry. With his payroll and available cash, giving $3M to Nomar is nothing. It does not prevent him from going after Furcal or Lugo. Nomar is the fallback if he can't acquire a better SS or has reservations about Cedeno.

 

Now, would Nomar sign a deal for 2 years and $6M as a super utility? The answer may surprise us.

[Neuby]

We don't know if Nomar figures into Hendry's offseason plans. He'll be a class A FA, so if he signs elsewhere, we could be entitled to a 1st round draft pick and a sandwich pick (or a 2nd round and a sandwhich if he signs in the bottom half of the league). If we don't offer him arb, we get nothing. However, if we do offer him arb, he may accept, and his salary he'd get from arbitration would be guaranteed (i.e. no incentive based deals come out of arbitration). It's a risky move. Unless he's willing/capable of moving to the OF, that could derail the possibility of going after Furcal, making it harder to get that leadoff hitter, as we'd be limited to going after OFrs that could leadoff, instead of middle infielders or outfielders.

 

If I'm Hendry, I don't know if I'd offer him arbitration or not, that's a tough call. Whichever way he goes, though, I hope he does it quickly so he can get a better picture of who he needs to pursue before the FA signing season picks up.

 

I wouldn't give him arbitration. Today, right now, I'd offer him a 2 year deal for $6M total ($3M each year) as a super utility player - play some 3B, play some SS, play some 2B, play some OF. He gets an additional $3M each year if he reaches 500 PAs. This is a keep your options open move for Hendry. With his payroll and available cash, giving $3M to Nomar is nothing. It does not prevent him from going after Furcal or Lugo. Nomar is the fallback if he can't acquire a better SS or has reservations about Cedeno.

 

Now, would Nomar sign a deal for 2 years and $6M as a super utility? The answer may surprise us.

 

I would bet against it. I wouldn't bet against him taking a one year deal with a 3 million dollar base and leaving his postion options open to second, short, outfield as long as he starts.

[BigbadB]

I don't think the Cubs are in a position to play games with Nomar. I think they need to work out a 1 year arrangement and resign him for 2006 and be done with it. If they want to go after Furcal too, fine. But, if they show no interest in Nomar and he signs elsewhere and Furcal doesn't come to Chicago, this will have the making of a horrible offseason. If they get both, they can move one of them to 2nd or one to the outfield. Or they could trade Aramis and move Nomar there.

[USSoccer]

I don't think the Cubs are in a position to play games with Nomar. I think they need to work out a 1 year arrangement and resign him for 2006 and be done with it. If they want to go after Furcal too, fine. But, if they show no interest in Nomar and he signs elsewhere and Furcal doesn't come to Chicago, this will have the making of a horrible offseason. If they get both, they can move one of them to 2nd or one to the outfield. Or they could trade Aramis and move Nomar there.

 

Stow that noise. Aramis >>>>>>>Nomar. In about every area except for speed. Aramis is younger.

 

I'd rather have a middle IF of Walker and Cedeno if it meant I still have ARam at 3b. He's going to win an MVP award at some point in this contract-mark it down.

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't think the Cubs are in a position to play games with Nomar. I think they need to work out a 1 year arrangement and resign him for 2006 and be done with it. If they want to go after Furcal too, fine. But, if they show no interest in Nomar and he signs elsewhere and Furcal doesn't come to Chicago, this will have the making of a horrible offseason. If they get both, they can move one of them to 2nd or one to the outfield. Or they could trade Aramis and move Nomar there.

 

Twilight music starts to play.......the Pez man steps up and takes the starting SS job.