anyone follow Clevelands system?

[Jehrico]

I've read in a few places that Cleveland will be interested in TWalk this offseason. They have a ton of youth and talent in their organization, from what I understand...but I'm not familiar with their system. Who do they have that we could entice from them, or who do they have that we could incorporate into a 3 way for someone else?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Adam Miller!

[Outshined_One]

Some attainable players:

 

LHP Jeremy Sowers

OF Brad Snyder

LHP Tony Sipp

 

Sowers is a pinpoint control freak who could really benefit if he sees action this year and attaches himself at Maddux's hip. Not an overpowering guy, but definitely some one with a nice future ahead of him.

 

Snyder is a lefthanded version of Murton, only with a bit more power from my understanding. Outstanding prospect from a maturity, instinct, and makeup standpoint. BA likens him to Fred Lynn and Paul O'Neill.

 

Sipp is a deceptive lefty reliever with great movement on his fastball and slider. He's developing a changeup and could be a starter, but as a reliever he could make an immediate impact.

[AAApittsburgh]

I don't know much about their system either, but I thought they already had a really good 2B prospect.

[erik316wttn]

Mike_Aller might know. He's the resident Indians fan.

[Sabermetrician]

You're thinking of Brandon Phillips, who they acquired in the Colon trade along with Sizemore and Lee (looking back a great trade for them). Walker might be intriguing to them if they're looking for a one year guy, because Phillips will be ready to go in 2007 if he isn't already in 2006.

 

I like Brad Snyder a lot -- someone already mentioned his name. But, I still don't want to trade Walker unless we can also trade for someone like Castillo. If we're trading T-Walk, I'd offer him to the Dodgers for Bradley, then trade for Castillo and sign Giles (Castillo, Bradley, Lee, Ramirez, Giles, Garciaparra, Murton, Barrett).

[CoolHandLuke]

I would be interested in Fernando Cabrera.

 

Is Phillips really in their plans in the next couple years? They gave him the job in 2003 and he failed pretty bad. I definately don't think he is the kind of guy that would block them from bringing in a proven commodity at 2b.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Michael Aubrey, anyone?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Could we get Crisp for CF?

[treebird]

Michael Aubrey, anyone?

 

wtf are you talking about, harvey is way better

[TheDude]

I don't know much about their system either, but I thought they already had a really good 2B prospect.

Cleveland will be ready swing next year for the Central, so a veteran hitter with excellent production for dollar value will be a nice acquisition for them. I don't think the 2B prospect is ready, so Walker is an ideal fit.

[Roast]

Trading him would require picking up his option first. From what i've heard hendry has no intention of doing so.

[erik316wttn]

Trading him would require picking up his option first. From what i've heard hendry has no intention of doing so.

 

What a fool. It's an absolute no-lose situation and he's passing it up.

[Roast]

Trading him would require picking up his option first. From what i've heard hendry has no intention of doing so.

 

What a fool. It's an absolute no-lose situation and he's passing it up.

 

If he passes it up I may just explode. if not, i will at least lose all faith in him.

[CoolHandLuke]

Oh my god, how could they not pick it up.

 

Who cares if it would make Twalk cry!

 

 

Michael Aubrey does not impress me all that much for some reason.

[Jehrico]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

[AAApittsburgh]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

Or you can pick up his option and trade him to a place where he wants to go.

[Tim]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

Or you can pick up his option and trade him to a place where he wants to go.

Or you can decline the option, tell him up front he's going to be a backup if he signs with the team (but would be welcome in that role), then offer arbitration and get draft picks. I'm pretty sure he'd be a type A compared to other second basemen.

[Roast]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

Or you can pick up his option and trade him to a place where he wants to go.

Or you can decline the option, tell him up front he's going to be a backup if he signs with the team (but would be welcome in that role), then offer arbitration and get draft picks. I'm pretty sure he'd be a type A compared to other second basemen.

 

OR you could pick up the option and get one of the better offensive Second basemen in all of baseball for 2.5 million dollars.

[USSoccer]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

Or you can pick up his option and trade him to a place where he wants to go.

Or you can decline the option, tell him up front he's going to be a backup if he signs with the team (but would be welcome in that role), then offer arbitration and get draft picks. I'm pretty sure he'd be a type A compared to other second basemen.

 

I don't entirely trust this organization to draft anyone worth getting excited about with a sandwich pick, so arby would be far down the list of things I would do regarding Walker's option.

 

Personally, I pick it up, because it gives you options, and increases leverage with FA's like Nomar, Furcal, and also sends a good message to Giles about being serious contenders next season.

[UBlink]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

Or you can pick up his option and trade him to a place where he wants to go.

Or you can decline the option, tell him up front he's going to be a backup if he signs with the team (but would be welcome in that role), then offer arbitration and get draft picks. I'm pretty sure he'd be a type A compared to other second basemen.

 

But wouldn't he still get arbitration money which would be a lot more than his option?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Hendry is very conscientious about his reputation for how he deals with his players. Walker signed with us below market value because he wanted to play in Chicago, Clevland had offered him more the last two years than we did. If he picks up Walker's option then trades him, he would be sure that no other vets that really want to play for Chicago would sign with us at a discount.

 

If I'm Hendry, it would have to be a trade that just knocked my socks off in order to pick up the option and trade him. In 99% of the scenarios out there, I don't pick up Walker's option unless I intend to keep him on the roster. But then again, loyalty means something to me, when some people only care about the bottom line, so that's just my opinion.

Or you can pick up his option and trade him to a place where he wants to go.

Or you can decline the option, tell him up front he's going to be a backup if he signs with the team (but would be welcome in that role), then offer arbitration and get draft picks. I'm pretty sure he'd be a type A compared to other second basemen.

 

But wouldn't he still get arbitration money which would be a lot more than his option?

 

Yes, and the draft pick is a lesser return than what we could get for him in trade, plus we lose the still very attractive option of him playing 2B. I can't imagine Hendry is dumb enough to decline that option.

[cubfan1954]

Mark Shapiro has already stated that he intends to pick up Ronnie Belliard's option, so will have no interest in trading for a second baseman. Cleveland is looking for right-handed power hitters, for first base or right field.

[Jehrico]

Mark Shapiro has already stated that he intends to pick up Ronnie Belliard's option, so will have no interest in trading for a second baseman. Cleveland is looking for right-handed power hitters, for first base or right field.

 

Just because he's picking up his option, doesn't mean he intends to keep him. If he can trade and get a far-better offensive 2bman, he could then trade Belliard (like we're proposing with Walker, if Hendry picked up the option). The difference is Belliard didn't sign at a discount and play as a backup for a year when he could have started like Walker, so there's no underhandedness for Shapiro to pick up the option then trade him.