Another opportunity for A-Rod?

[hawkeyecub]

After having that big error in game 2, hitting .133 with 0 RBI this series and grounding into that double play in the 9th last night, all of the A-Rod bashing is back in full force in NY. "He's horrible in the clutch, he's not a true Yankee..." and so on.

If I understand this correctly, the Yankees are paying him:

$15M in '06

$16M in '07

$16M in '08

$17M in '09

$18M in '10

 

I'm sure if he were involved in a deal, the Yankees would eat a few million on the back end of that deal taking it down to around $15M per year.

So the question is, what would we have to give up and what would you be willing to give up? I'm pretty confident they would be willing to give him up if we put the right deal together, and we could probably land him at a price lower than we should.

[larhur]

Since the Yankees are out of the mix in the playoffs, lets figure out how to get him, right now no one is happy withh him, so lets send a handfull of players to New York for him, most of these players are just numbers as the rule 5 draft is coming up and several of these players would be lost anyway, start with a starting pitcher, lets send them Mark Prior. You cannot get a star without trading a star and our pitching without him will still be strong, now for the rest of the players, With A-Rod playing short, send them Cedeno, good young player, Sergio Metre, still with his career ahead of him, Todd Wellemeyer, Neifi, and Corey Patterson.

So, here is the list.

 

Prior

Mitre

Wellemeyer

Patterson

Neifi

Cedeno

Burnitz

 

Sign Garciaparra, trade for or sign Giles, and line up like this

 

8-Hairston

4-Garciaparra

3-Lee

5-Ramirez

6-Rodriguez

9-Giles

7-Murton

2-Barrett

Pitcher

 

Starters

Zambrano

Woods

Maddux

Williams

Rusch

 

Pinto

Guzman

Koronka

Leicester

Novoa

Ohman

Wuertz

Van Buren

Nolasco

Ryu

Rohlicek

Hill

Williamson

Aardsma

Fox

Dempster

 

Bench or start

Walker

Pie

Sing

Greenberg

Theriot

Fontenot

Blanco

Macias

 

Just a thought, what so you think?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

No. A healthy Prior is worth more to us than a stud SS (or 3B).

[moorecg]

No. A healthy Prior is worth more to us than a stud SS (or 3B).

 

Hasn't that been the problem?

[Tim]

larhur - what makes you think the Yankees would want to spend seven roster spots on those guys when you don't even want most of them on the Cubs anymore?

[larhur]

Actually the yankees need pitching bad and a lot of fans still believe that a-rod will never be a yankee, I believe they would consider pulling a deal and getting Prior plus several other pitchers that need another team for a fresh start or trade material to other teams.

Yes, prior is a stud but what is the most wins has he had since he has been in the bigs????, now is the time to move him also

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Actually the yankees need pitching bad and a lot of fans still believe that a-rod will never be a yankee, I believe they would consider pulling a deal and getting Prior plus several other pitchers that need another team for a fresh start or trade material to other teams.

Yes, prior is a stud but what is the most wins has he had since he has been in the bigs????, now is the time to move him also

 

The answer to that question is 18, and that was in a season in which he missed over a month of starts. Not that I think wins are any kind of measure, but since you asked, I thought I would share. An 18 win season by measure of wins is pretty damn good. I don't think you trade Prior, even for Rodriguez, and you especially don't trade Prior and other players for Rodriguez.

[larhur]

I don't know what it would take to move A-Rod but or for the Cubs to get him but we could really use him and we need to move patterson and many teams think they could turn him around and make potential an actual and Mitre also has potential but not with the Cubs

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I don't know what it would take to move A-Rod but or for the Cubs to get him but we could really use him and we need to move patterson and many teams think they could turn him around and make potential an actual and Mitre also has potential but not with the Cubs

 

 

I think a comma or period or something is needed there.

[Tim]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

I think you'd have to include Ramirez in any deal to get ARod. There's no significant 3B on the market this offseason, so they'd have to make another trade to plug that hole if they trade ARod.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

I think you'd have to include Ramirez in any deal to get ARod. There's no significant 3B on the market this offseason, so they'd have to make another trade to plug that hole if they trade ARod.

 

Would Steinbrenner be crazy enough to sign Nomar for third?

[CuseCubFan69]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

I think you'd have to include Ramirez in any deal to get ARod. There's no significant 3B on the market this offseason, so they'd have to make another trade to plug that hole if they trade ARod.

 

Do you think resigning Nomar to play 3rd would make it worth it?

 

Or....the Yanks sign Nomar to play 3rd and the Cubs keep ARam..

[CarolinaCubFan]

I would love to see Arod at SS, but I'm feeling greedy and kind of cringe at the thought of trading any of our studs. If we had Arod at SS, there wouldn't be much need for any infield prospects for the next five years, excluding Epatt who will hopefully blossom for us at 2nd.

 

What are everyones thoughts, do we have the talent in the minors to land Arod? I may be wrong, but don't the Diamond Backs have a possible log jam at 3rd?

[CubfaninCA]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

 

If the Yankees offered Wood a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract, there may be a shot of him waiving his no trade.

 

Have to agree w/ Tim, ARam and Wood for ARod. Maybe get another minor player from NY.

[CubfaninCA]

If the Cubs get ARod, they could sign Bill Mueller to play 3b. Isn't he a Dusty guy? Or they could just go w/ ARod @ 3b and sign Furcal for SS.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

 

If the Yankees offered Wood a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract, there may be a shot of him waiving his no trade.

 

Have to agree w/ Tim, ARam and Wood for ARod. Maybe get another minor player from NY.

 

Ramirez and Wood would be overpaying. Rodriguez is better than Ramirez, but he's also paid more and Ramirez is younger.

[Exile on Waveland]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

 

If the Yankees offered Wood a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract, there may be a shot of him waiving his no trade.

 

Have to agree w/ Tim, ARam and Wood for ARod. Maybe get another minor player from NY.

 

No way I trade Ramirez and Wood for ARod. I'd love to have ARod in a Cub uniform -- that "clutch" talk is bogus -- but not at that price. Who'd play third? Who'd fill out the rotation? Would ARod, who has bulked up, move back to SS?

 

I'm not sure that trade helps us too much. Is this Nomar (at 3rd?)/ARod/Mitre(or whoever) really better than Ramirez/(Nomar/Cedeno/Furcal)/Wood? Maybe it is, but I'll take my chances with Wood being healthy with Ramirez and whatever SS we get -- assuming it's not Neifi.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Considering the Yankees only had to give up Soriano to get A-Rod in the first place, I think they'd consider a Zambrano or Prior for A-Rod trade. I wouldn't hesitate on that for a second. While Z and Prior are good pitchers, neither is one of the top 5 pitchers in the game. A-Rod on the other hand is not only the best player in the game, but (if he goes back to SS) does so at one of the three most difficult positions on the field to have a quality guy (the others being 2B and catcher).

 

So if Cashman tells me Prior + Rich Hill gets it done, I jump.

[CubfaninCA]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

 

If the Yankees offered Wood a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract, there may be a shot of him waiving his no trade.

 

Have to agree w/ Tim, ARam and Wood for ARod. Maybe get another minor player from NY.

 

Ramirez and Wood would be overpaying. Rodriguez is better than Ramirez, but he's also paid more and Ramirez is younger.

 

Well, Wood's trade value isn't that high and he could walk in the free agency next offseason w/ the Cubs getting nothing back. Like I said the Cubs can ask for a minor player back from NY. Not really sure who though.

[goonys evil twin]

Aramis/Wood for ARod/Gordon, sign Nomar to play 3B and pick up a decent backup like Hinske or Mueller. Have NYY pick up enough of ARod's cost to bring the Cubs payment down to $14m per year.

 

I wonder how I feel about that?

 

I really want ARod to be the Cubs SS the next 5 years. I've already come to grips with losing Wood after next season. I just don't want to have to deal Ramirez.

 

The Yanks biggest need is pitching. They can go out and sign Damon for CF and have a great lineup. What if the Cubs kept Ramirez and NYY signed Nomar for third, and the Cubs threw in more pitching (Williams, Mitre, Hill, etc.)?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Rodriguez is willing to play shortstop again, I'd take him without desiring the Yankees to eat any salary.

 

I wouldn't likely trade Prior to get him though. I doubt we have the players that would make the Yankees bite on moving him, but I might offer Ramirez.

 

If the Yankees were inclined to move Rodriguez, I'd definitely want to get in on those discussions. There aren't many teams that can afford a 16 million or more player, so if they want to send him packing, it could be fun to see where it could go.

 

A couple of thoughts: Could Wood be persuaded to waive his no-trade clause and go to the Yankees?

 

Would a Wood, Patterson, Hill deal interest the Yankees for Arod?

 

If the Yankees offered Wood a 1 or 2 year extension to his contract, there may be a shot of him waiving his no trade.

 

Have to agree w/ Tim, ARam and Wood for ARod. Maybe get another minor player from NY.

 

Ramirez and Wood would be overpaying. Rodriguez is better than Ramirez, but he's also paid more and Ramirez is younger.

 

Well, Wood's trade value isn't that high and he could walk in the free agency next offseason w/ the Cubs getting nothing back. Like I said the Cubs can ask for a minor player back from NY. Not really sure who though.

 

Wood's value may not be that high, but Ramirez is. He is a hellova hitter at a reduced price compared to Rodriguez. There's no way you offer the two of those for only one player who really helps you.

 

I would love to have Rodriguez, especially if he can still handle short. I would offer Ramirez for him, but reluctantly. I would not trade Prior for him, and likely not Zambrano either, but I would be tempted. Much depends on whether or not Rodriguez can play short.

 

The best course of action if the Cubs want Rodriguez is to try to invlove a third team that would be looking to shed payroll.

 

How about the Marlins?

 

Cubs get Rodriguez.

Yankees get Wood, Patterson, and Lowell.

Marlins get Cedeno and Wellemeyer.

 

In essence the Cubs give up Wood, Patterson, Cedeno, and Wellemeyer for Rodriguez. Of those players, only Wood and Cedeno have any real value to the Cubs.

 

The Marlins get to shed Lowell's contract and pick up a cheap infield option as well as a reliever. The real value for the Marlins is the salary relief.

 

The Yankees recieve Lowell to play third, though you'd have to sell them that Lowell can return to his previous form, Wood who could be a dominant starter for them and a defensive CF who could flourish as many LHed hitters do in Yankee stadium.

 

This is a deal I could live with. I'd love to substitute another prospect for Cedeno, but would include him if the deal hinged upon it.

 

The hardest part of this deal is convincing the Yankees that Lowell has value.

[erik316wttn]

Aramis/Wood for ARod/Gordon, sign Nomar to play 3B and pick up a decent backup like Hinske or Mueller. Have NYY pick up enough of ARod's cost to bring the Cubs payment down to $14m per year.

 

I wonder how I feel about that?

 

I really want ARod to be the Cubs SS the next 5 years. I've already come to grips with losing Wood after next season. I just don't want to have to deal Ramirez.

 

The Yanks biggest need is pitching. They can go out and sign Damon for CF and have a great lineup. What if the Cubs kept Ramirez and NYY signed Nomar for third, and the Cubs threw in more pitching (Williams, Mitre, Hill, etc.)?

 

I think I'd be more accepting of your 2nd deal there, Goony. I have a gut feeling Kerry will be healthy next year, and you hate to lose a bat like ARam's under any circumstance.

[USSoccer]

I would not trade ARam to get ARod, but I would offer the following:

 

Patterson

Pinto or Nolasco

Williams

Walker (pick up option and trade him)

 

and I'd take back

 

ARod

Gordon

 

 

If Cashman is running things in NY, that deal has a chance. Cashman is a smart enough GM to know that he needs young, cheap pitching. Williams and one of Pinto/Nolasco would be very tempting. Hill could be offered as well. Patterson would play a defensive CF for them that they really need, and Walker would be an upgrade for them over Cano, who they could use as a utility IF.

 

If Steinbrenner/Michaels are running things this winter, though, it would take ARam, and I don't want ARod badly enough to give up Aramis.

[SAMMYWHO]

How about Wood, Pierre and Lowell to the Yankees.

Patterson, Cedeno, Walker, Welly to the Marlins and

Arod, Encarnacion, Castillo, and throw in Mota to the Cubs.

Let Nomar walk because as much as I'd like to keep him I think his price will be to high for Hendry based on post injury offensive production.