Manny wants out

[Outshined_One]

Problem with acquiring Manny at this point is that once he's out of Boston, they'll be swooping in to pick up a guy like Giles or some big name via trade.

[CuseCubFan69]

Problem with acquiring Manny at this point is that once he's out of Boston, they'll be swooping in to pick up a guy like Giles or some big name via trade.

 

That's why Hendry should get the other impact OF first.

[HoopsCubs]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

I'm beginning to think that that is what is going to happen too. Damon will go to the Yankees or Angels. Beltran will become Boston's CF. Cliff Floyd coming here.

 

So you're ok with a Murton, Wilkerson and Floyd OF?

 

I'm okay with that OF, but then I also agree with Goony that you have to keep either Nomar or Walker.

[HoopsCubs]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

I'm beginning to think that that is what is going to happen too. Damon will go to the Yankees or Angels. Beltran will become Boston's CF. Cliff Floyd coming here.

 

So Hoops, 3 minutes after you said we'd be going for a RF or CF, you say Cliff Floyd is coming here? :scratch:

 

Actually my source thinks we're going after a RF AND CF. As for Floyd, I think if Hendry brings him here, it will be to play RF.

[CubinNY]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

I'm beginning to think that that is what is going to happen too. Damon will go to the Yankees or Angels. Beltran will become Boston's CF. Cliff Floyd coming here.

 

So Hoops, 3 minutes after you said we'd be going for a RF or CF, you say Cliff Floyd is coming here? :scratch:

 

Actually my source thinks we're going after a RF AND CF. As for Floyd, I think if Hendry brings him here, it will be to play RF.

 

Hendry has been after Floyd for a couple of years now. As we saw with Barrett and Burnitz when he goes after someone he usually gets them sooner or later.

 

The Cubs could do a lot worse than Floyd in RF. But he is such a streaky type hitter I worry about his prolonged slumps given the over state of the offense as it stands now.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

I'm beginning to think that that is what is going to happen too. Damon will go to the Yankees or Angels. Beltran will become Boston's CF. Cliff Floyd coming here.

 

So Hoops, 3 minutes after you said we'd be going for a RF or CF, you say Cliff Floyd is coming here? :scratch:

 

Actually my source thinks we're going after a RF AND CF. As for Floyd, I think if Hendry brings him here, it will be to play RF.

 

Is your source of the mind-set that Furcal is the primary target, Hoops?

 

And does your source think we have any chance for Giles?

[rawaction]

 

Hendry has been after Floyd for a couple of years now. As we saw with Barrett and Burnitz when he goes after someone he usually gets them sooner or later.

 

He's also been rumored to be after Preston Wilson.......just saying.

[HoopsCubs]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

I'm beginning to think that that is what is going to happen too. Damon will go to the Yankees or Angels. Beltran will become Boston's CF. Cliff Floyd coming here.

 

So Hoops, 3 minutes after you said we'd be going for a RF or CF, you say Cliff Floyd is coming here? :scratch:

 

Actually my source thinks we're going after a RF AND CF. As for Floyd, I think if Hendry brings him here, it will be to play RF.

 

Is your source of the mind-set that Furcal is the primary target, Hoops?

 

And does your source think we have any chance for Giles?

 

My 2 key sources would love Giles and Giles in Cub uniforms. Wouldn't we all? As for Marcus, there have been grumblings that he does not get along with Braves management, which has fueled the trade rumours, especially because he's 2nd time arbitration eligible and stands to get a raise from $2.3M to possibly $5.5M.

 

Furcal is an obvious target for the Cubs, Mariners, Astros, Mets and Blue Jays because he plays SS and can lead-off, which are 2 key holes this off-season for many teams. Is he the primary target? I don't know. I will say I like the idea of acquiring Castillo, Giles, and/or Lugo before signing Furcal to a 4 year/$32M type deal.

[CuseCubFan69]

My 2 key sources would love Giles and Giles in Cub uniforms. Wouldn't we all? As for Marcus, there have been grumblings that he does not get along with Braves management, which has fueled the trade rumours, especially because he's 2nd time arbitration eligible and stands to get a raise from $2.3M to possibly $5.5M.

 

Furcal is an obvious target for the Cubs, Mariners, Astros, Mets and Blue Jays because he plays SS and can lead-off, which are 2 key holes this off-season for many teams. Is he the primary target? I don't know. I will say I like the idea of acquiring Castillo, Giles, and/or Lugo before signing Furcal to a 4 year/$32M type deal.

 

I really don't see Hendry being that interested in a player like Giles. If the Cubs commit to Murton my feeling is that they would want a 30 HR guy in the other corner and Giles isn't even on the Hendry radar.

[HoopsCubs]

Hehehe....if the Pale Hose knock out Boston, Manny could be gone. With three years left on his deal, would YOU hesitate to bring in a guy who in an off-year for him, hit just under 300 with 45 HR and 140+ RBI?

 

Put Manny in LF, move Murton to RF, trade for Bradley in CF and in that scenario, you can leave Cedeno at SS and keep Walker at 2B if need be. Just consider for a moment, this as your 1-5: Bradley, Walker, Manny, Lee, Aramis. Wow.

 

Manny Ramirez - OF - Red Sox

According to FoxSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, Manny Ramirez is looking for a new agent in an effort to orchestrate a trade out of Boston.

Ramirez, currently represented by Greg Genske, may switch to Scott Boras or SFX. The Red Sox will be open to trading Ramirez and the $57 million left on his contract, but just how much of a desire they have to move him could depend on his behavior. Ramirez may try to force his way out. Oct. 6 - 6:22 pm et

Source: FOXSports.com

 

Sorry for asking this if it has been addressed someplace else, but what are Manny's reasons for wanting out of Boston? I've never understood them.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

I'm beginning to think that that is what is going to happen too. Damon will go to the Yankees or Angels. Beltran will become Boston's CF. Cliff Floyd coming here.

 

So Hoops, 3 minutes after you said we'd be going for a RF or CF, you say Cliff Floyd is coming here? :scratch:

 

Actually my source thinks we're going after a RF AND CF. As for Floyd, I think if Hendry brings him here, it will be to play RF.

 

Is your source of the mind-set that Furcal is the primary target, Hoops?

 

And does your source think we have any chance for Giles?

 

My 2 key sources would love Giles and Giles in Cub uniforms. Wouldn't we all? As for Marcus, there have been grumblings that he does not get along with Braves management, which has fueled the trade rumours, especially because he's 2nd time arbitration eligible and stands to get a raise from $2.3M to possibly $5.5M.

 

Furcal is an obvious target for the Cubs, Mariners, Astros, Mets and Blue Jays because he plays SS and can lead-off, which are 2 key holes this off-season for many teams. Is he the primary target? I don't know. I will say I like the idea of acquiring Castillo, Giles, and/or Lugo before signing Furcal to a 4 year/$32M type deal.

 

Hoops,

 

Do you really think the Astros will raise payroll enough to pursue Furcal? By my rough estimates, I already have their payroll at 70+ million considering arbitration eligibles Ensberg, Oswalt, and Lidge.

[HoopsCubs]

Do you really think the Astros will raise payroll enough to pursue Furcal? By my rough estimates, I already have their payroll at 70+ million considering arbitration eligibles Ensberg, Oswalt, and Lidge.

 

Vance,

I had read some place that their owner was planning on increasing payroll if they made the post-season. Since they did, I assume he will. By how much, I have no idea. I do think the Astros will be in on the Giles and Furcal sweepstakes. Cardinals will definitely be in on Giles.

 

By the way, Oswalt is under contract for $11M in 2006. He will still be final year arbitration eligible for the 2007 season.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My 2 key sources would love Giles and Giles in Cub uniforms. Wouldn't we all? As for Marcus, there have been grumblings that he does not get along with Braves management, which has fueled the trade rumours, especially because he's 2nd time arbitration eligible and stands to get a raise from $2.3M to possibly $5.5M.

 

Please and thank you. Trade for Bradley too and we're top notch offensively.

 

CF Bradley

2B Giles

1B Lee

RF Giles

3B Ramirez

C Barrett

LF Murton

SS Cedeno/Nomar?

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Do you really think the Astros will raise payroll enough to pursue Furcal? By my rough estimates, I already have their payroll at 70+ million considering arbitration eligibles Ensberg, Oswalt, and Lidge.

 

Vance,

I had read some place that their owner was planning on increasing payroll if they made the post-season. Since they did, I assume he will. By how much, I have no idea. I do think the Astros will be in on the Giles and Furcal sweepstakes. Cardinals will definitely be in on Giles.

 

By the way, Oswalt is under contract for $11M in 2006. He will still be final year arbitration eligible for the 2007 season.

 

I have Pettite: 17.5

Bagwell: 17

Oswalt: 11

Berkman: 14

Lidge 2.5 (estimate)

Ensberg 2.5 (estimate)

Biggio: 4

 

That's 68.5 million for seven players. If Clemens returns you can add another 15 plus to that.

 

That would 83 million for 8 players. Their payroll was at 85-88 million this year. I just don't see how the Astros complete a roster under 100 million if they pursue Furcal (8 million ?) or Giles (11-12 million ?) unless they plan on letting Ensberg walk.

[CuseCubFan69]

My 2 key sources would love Giles and Giles in Cub uniforms. Wouldn't we all? As for Marcus, there have been grumblings that he does not get along with Braves management, which has fueled the trade rumours, especially because he's 2nd time arbitration eligible and stands to get a raise from $2.3M to possibly $5.5M.

 

Please and thank you. Trade for Bradley too and we're top notch offensively.

 

CF Bradley

2B Giles

1B Lee

RF Giles

3B Ramirez

C Barrett

LF Murton

SS Cedeno/Nomar?

 

You ARE a Cub fan. :D

 

Imagine if the Cubs had Cedeno on the bench and a solid left handed 1st/OF guy with that team? A Stairs type guy.

[erik316wttn]

Hoops,

 

You say M Giles may have ticked off management in Atlanta, but what do your sources say about the Cubs possibly being interested and offering Walker in a deal?

[RyCubsFan]

Could Maddux be included in a deal for Manny? With all the problems Boston had to their rotation this year, it seems to me they may have interest in Greg.

[erik316wttn]

Could Maddux be included in a deal for Manny? With all the problems Boston had to their rotation this year, it seems to me they may have interest in Greg.

 

I don't think they'd want an over the hill pitcher for $9 million a year.

[RyCubsFan]

Hoops,

 

You say M Giles may have ticked off management in Atlanta, but what do your sources say about the Cubs possibly being interested and offering Walker in a deal?

 

Also, does anyone know how well M Giles and Furcal get along?

 

What about Brian and Marcus? Are they close? Have they ever made statements about wanting to play on the same team?

[RyCubsFan]

Could Maddux be included in a deal for Manny? With all the problems Boston had to their rotation this year, it seems to me they may have interest in Greg.

 

I don't think they'd want an over the hill pitcher for $9 million a year.

 

I'm sure they would like him if they didn't have to pay him 9 million. Maddux at half of that salary would look pretty decent to Boston I'm sure. However, would be gaining big salary relief by trading Manny, which could allow them to sign...say....Giles. So for the same price of Manny, they could have Maddux, Giles, and two decent Cubs prospects. Wouldn't be too bad of a deal for them! (especially since Manny wants out anyways)

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Hoops,

 

You say M Giles may have ticked off management in Atlanta, but what do your sources say about the Cubs possibly being interested and offering Walker in a deal?

 

Also, does anyone know how well M Giles and Furcal get along?

 

What about Brian and Marcus? Are they close? Have they ever made statements about wanting to play on the same team?

 

I read somewhere on this board that Brian would love to play with Marcus.

[rawaction]

My 2 key sources would love Giles and Giles in Cub uniforms. Wouldn't we all? As for Marcus, there have been grumblings that he does not get along with Braves management, which has fueled the trade rumours, especially because he's 2nd time arbitration eligible and stands to get a raise from $2.3M to possibly $5.5M.

 

Please and thank you. Trade for Bradley too and we're top notch offensively.

 

CF Bradley

2B Giles

1B Lee

RF Giles

3B Ramirez

C Barrett

LF Murton

SS Cedeno/Nomar?

 

Pretty solid defensively too.

[TB_11]

Manny will be a Met, you can book it.

 

Carlos Beltran to the Red Sox, Manny to the Mets.

 

Boston stated this past offseason during their negotiations with Varitek that they want to avoid long-term (4+ years), expensive contracts. I doubt they would want to take on the remaining six years and $109M of Beltran's contract to get out of the remaining three years of Manny's contract.

 

Sorry for asking this if it has been addressed someplace else, but what are Manny's reasons for wanting out of Boston? I've never understood them.

 

Two reasons:

 

1) He's said in the past he feels he doesn't have any freedom in Boston, that he get's recognized wherever he goes.

 

2) He's insane.

[TB_11]

Could Maddux be included in a deal for Manny? With all the problems Boston had to their rotation this year, it seems to me they may have interest in Greg.

 

I think Maddux's no-trade clause carries over to this year. And I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe he's stated in the past that he wants to remain in the National League.

[craig]

Put Manny in LF, move Murton to RF, trade for Bradley in CF and in that scenario, you can leave Cedeno at SS and keep Walker at 2B if need be.

 

Do you think that could give the worst defense in cub history?

 

I'm not saying the offense might not make up for it. But the notion of having awful Manny in left, with rubber-band-arm Murton in right, and Walker and Aram in the infield, is really scary.

 

Murton's likelihood of being the intended RF for the Cubs is about somewhere between 0% and 0.000001%.