8/21 Cubs (Maddux) @ Rockies (Francis), 2:05 pm WGN

[UK1679666180]

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

 

He's a decent 25th man, probably best suited for a defensive replacement. Anything more than that is a mistake.

 

This is someone who has an OBP below .300 this year, starting and hitting 2nd today.

 

You look at his career numbers to get a better gauge of what he will likely do. It doesn't always follow a parallel line, but is much more accurate than using the smaller sample size.

 

He's been a disappointment this year, started off nice, cooled off even worse. The Cubs would've been better off playing Cedeno than Neifi with the execption for about 3 weeks.

 

His defense can't overcome the fact he hits like a good hitting pitcher.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Neifi's defense relative to Walker's is not nearly enough to compensate for the lost offense. Neifi is a very good defender but that "Gold Glove" talk is way overblown. He's good but not that good. This is 2B we're talking about anyway, not SS.

 

Walker is hitting .322 with a .375 OBP in August, Perez is hitting .326 with a .383 OBP.

 

Just throwing that out there.

 

Oh, and Neifi's had 16 fewer ABs

 

Neifi's hot streaks are so unreliable that I'm inclined not to rely on Neifi at all.

 

No, I see that, I'm not defending Neifi especially - I go through that same stomach-plunge as everyone when he's at the plate, just throwing in a stat that could be used to defend him, or at least his selection of late.

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

Yeah right, so what you are saying is if we are true Cubs fans we can't criticize decisions the manager or organization makes? Please, that's ridiculous.

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

[TrueBlueCubFan]

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

 

He's a decent 25th man, probably best suited for a defensive replacement. Anything more than that is a mistake.

 

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And that's what he was signed to be

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

Yes, yes you could.

[AAApittsburgh]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

What positive things? The grand slam in St. Louis and a few other big hits don't make up for all the other times that he has sucked. He's not a great backup infielder. A $100 mil team could have a better backup than Neifi. What makes it worse is that he is used incorrectly.

[YearofDaCubs]

Neifi's defense relative to Walker's is not nearly enough to compensate for the lost offense. Neifi is a very good defender but that "Gold Glove" talk is way overblown. He's good but not that good. This is 2B we're talking about anyway, not SS.

 

Walker is hitting .322 with a .375 OBP in August, Perez is hitting .326 with a .383 OBP.

 

Just throwing that out there.

 

Oh, and Neifi's had 16 fewer ABs

 

Neifi's hot streaks are so unreliable that I'm inclined not to rely on Neifi at all.

 

No, I see that, I'm not defending Neifi especially - I go through that same stomach-plunge as everyone when he's at the plate, just throwing in a stat that could be used to defend him, or at least his selection of late.

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

Yeah right, so what you are saying is if we are true Cubs fans we can't criticize decisions the manager or organization makes? Please, that's ridiculous.

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

I personally have no problem having Neifi on this team. You are right he is an excellent backup SS, yet thats what he should be a backup shortstop. We have the moron Dusty who likes to play his boys instead of regular starters. Walker or Hairston should be starting at 2B, not Neifi. Too many backups on this team have important roles which they should not have.

[Ram1380]

His defense can't overcome the fact he hits like a good hitting pitcher.

 

 

 

 

Marquis' lawyer(J.C.) will be in contact with you about the Slander suit.

 

 

 

 

 

:)

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

 

He's a decent 25th man, probably best suited for a defensive replacement. Anything more than that is a mistake.

 

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And that's what he was signed to be

 

Then why are you arguing over him starting a game?

[UK1679666180]

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

 

He's a decent 25th man, probably best suited for a defensive replacement. Anything more than that is a mistake.

 

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And that's what he was signed to be

 

And he's starting today because???

 

A)It is a mistake B)There is no one better who can play 2B who's on the bench

 

Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

 

Yes, especially when there was a better backup on the roster for the bulk of the time Neifi was performing poorly at SS.

 

Neifi has done more harm than good this year, partially b/c baker has no idea of how to use him and b/c he doesn't have the ability to be anything more than the last guy off the bench.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

Yes, yes you could.

 

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats. You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain. AAA stats don't compare to ML stats. Please include defense. Not to mention intagibles like leadership can't be ignored either.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Neifi's defense relative to Walker's is not nearly enough to compensate for the lost offense. Neifi is a very good defender but that "Gold Glove" talk is way overblown. He's good but not that good. This is 2B we're talking about anyway, not SS.

 

Walker is hitting .322 with a .375 OBP in August, Perez is hitting .326 with a .383 OBP.

 

Just throwing that out there.

 

Oh, and Neifi's had 16 fewer ABs

 

Neifi's hot streaks are so unreliable that I'm inclined not to rely on Neifi at all.

 

No, I see that, I'm not defending Neifi especially - I go through that same stomach-plunge as everyone when he's at the plate, just throwing in a stat that could be used to defend him, or at least his selection of late.

I'm not a Neifi appologist either, but he isn't nearly as bad as many people here make him out to be, especially since he has been in a Cubs uniform, which is all that should matter if you are sincerly a Cubs fan.

Yeah right, so what you are saying is if we are true Cubs fans we can't criticize decisions the manager or organization makes? Please, that's ridiculous.

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

I personally have no problem having Neifi on this team. You are right he is an excellent backup SS, yet thats what he should be a backup shortstop. We have the moron Dusty who likes to play his boys instead of regular starters. Walker or Hairston should be starting at 2B, not Neifi. Too many backups on this team have important roles which they should not have.

I agree I would rather have Hairston or Walker starting @ 2nd.

[Yeti]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

Yes, yes you could.

 

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats. You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain. AAA stats don't compare to ML stats. Please include defense. Not to mention intagibles like leadership can't be ignored either.

are you saying that Nefi is a leader on this team? if that is the case we are SOOOOOOOOOOO screwed

[Transmogrified Tiger]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

Yes, yes you could.

 

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats. You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain. AAA stats don't compare to ML stats. Please include defense. Not to mention intagibles like leadership can't be ignored either.

 

Only 4 SS's in baseball have worse OBP's than Perez. In order for Cedeno to NOT outproduce Perez offensively, his average would have to drop over 80 points, his OBP over 105 points, and his SLG over 135 points from his AAA numbers. Cedeno has a reputation for being a fine defensive player, far from a liability defensively. Technically, Cedeno has outproduced Perez in his short time here, when you combine their fielding and batting runs above average.

 

I'd appreciate it if you would explain why Neifi has been a good backup SS.

[frostwyrm]

You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain.

 

I do know for certain that Cedeno couldn't have been more than slightly worse than Neifi, and potentially he could have been a whole lot better than Neifi.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

great AB by JHJR!!!

[Ram1380]

"You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain. AAA stats don't compare to ML stats. "

 

 

 

 

 

And herein lies the biggest problem.

 

 

Perez has been what his career #'s would suggest he would be, Brutal. We should already have a better idea of what Cedeno may/may not bring to the table at the big league level, but we don't its still an "unknown" as you say, because we have/had an idiot giving the atbats to a "known" failure.

[frostwyrm]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

Yes, yes you could.

 

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats. You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain. AAA stats don't compare to ML stats. Please include defense. Not to mention intagibles like leadership can't be ignored either.

are you saying that Nefi is a leader on this team? if that is the case we are SOOOOOOOOOOO screwed

 

Neifi is constantly going out to the mound and "consulting" with the pitcher. Drama queen Dusty probably eats that crap up and thinks it's indicative of Neifi's leadership, which is also probably why Neifi does it.

[UK1679666180]

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats

 

I know for certain, that the utility player I wanted instead if Neifi was Chris Gomez on Balt., RH bat can play 2B, SS, and 3B and can hit at an above avg. rate for a utility player.

 

He's hitting much better than Neifi at a chaeper rate, the Cubs had their chance but decided to spend more on a lesser player.

[Yeti]

i dont think that cedeno would have been able to leg out that rocket shot like Nefi just did :wink:

[CuseCubFan69]

ARam tries to pull 2 outside pitches and gets defensive on a heater up high. Poor AB.

[UK1679666180]

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats

 

I know for certain, that the utility player I wanted instead if Neifi was Chris Gomez on Balt., RH bat can play 2B, SS, and 3B and can hit at an above avg. rate for a utility player.

 

He's hitting much better than Neifi at a chaeper rate, the Cubs had their chance but decided to spend more on a lesser player.

 

For validity purposes...

 

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[Yeti]

That's not what I'm saying! People here continually ignore the positive things Neifi has brought to this team, they let their hate for him to get in the way. Could you ask for more from a back-up SS?

 

Yes, yes you could.

 

Name some better back-up SS in MLB. Please back it up with stats. You may think Cedeno could perform better than Neifi, but you don't know that for certain. AAA stats don't compare to ML stats. Please include defense. Not to mention intagibles like leadership can't be ignored either.

are you saying that Nefi is a leader on this team? if that is the case we are SOOOOOOOOOOO screwed

 

Neifi is constantly going out to the mound and "consulting" with the pitcher. Drama queen Dusty probably eats that crap up and thinks it's indicative of Neifi's leadership, which is also probably why Neifi does it.

that doesnt make him a leader, it just makes him irritating

[J.R.]

Late to the party ... but why is Perez playing AGAIN?

 

Dusty is killing us.

[YearofDaCubs]

Our deadly offense is off to a great start.

[CuseCubFan69]

Did Lee run on that 3-2 pitch? The last look I saw he wasn't moving.