Royals losing again

[erik316wttn]

Tim Kurjch....whatever...said on BT that they only have 3 everyday players on their roster. That is absolutely mind boggeling. Even with a couple signings, they still are in deep trouble.

 

Just curious, but could MLB cut a team if they felt the owners were seriously not trying to win?

 

I very much doubt it, as that would be the loss of 25 jobs. The union would have a fit.

 

They've tried contraction before. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it again.

 

If they contracted KC do you think they'd have an expansion team in the AL in a few years time in a better market (Northern VA, Portland, Vegas, etc)?

KC really isn't a bad market when the team is managed correctly. (Even when it isn't; the Royals still routinely outdraw the Marlins.) You may be surprised to learn that the franchise also had the highest payroll in baseball as recently as the early '90s. They're in a rough spot now, but if/when management ever gets its act together it's a pretty good location for a franchise. I don't think the Royals are a good candidate for contraction, just as I wouldn't have contracted the woefully inept Cubs franchise of the mid-late 70s.

 

The Florida franchises, on the other hand...

 

Nobody would miss the D-Rays, that was a mistake from the start. However, the Marlins have won 2 WS in the past 8 years.... kind of hard to make a case for contraction in that case.

[Guest]

Tim Kurjch....whatever...said on BT that they only have 3 everyday players on their roster. That is absolutely mind boggeling. Even with a couple signings, they still are in deep trouble.

 

Just curious, but could MLB cut a team if they felt the owners were seriously not trying to win?

 

I very much doubt it, as that would be the loss of 25 jobs. The union would have a fit.

 

They've tried contraction before. I wouldn't be surprised if they tried it again.

 

If they contracted KC do you think they'd have an expansion team in the AL in a few years time in a better market (Northern VA, Portland, Vegas, etc)?

KC really isn't a bad market when the team is managed correctly. (Even when it isn't; the Royals still routinely outdraw the Marlins.) You may be surprised to learn that the franchise also had the highest payroll in baseball as recently as the early '90s. They're in a rough spot now, but if/when management ever gets its act together it's a pretty good location for a franchise. I don't think the Royals are a good candidate for contraction, just as I wouldn't have contracted the woefully inept Cubs franchise of the mid-late 70s.

 

The Florida franchises, on the other hand...

 

Nobody would miss the D-Rays, that was a mistake from the start. However, the Marlins have won 2 WS in the past 8 years.... kind of hard to make a case for contraction in that case.

If not contracted, the team still needs a relocation. (And badly.) A World Series-caliber team should draw better than 50% capacity. The Marlins couldn't.

[reggiemiller rules]

I dont think that they should contract the marlins, but they should move it to another market. The city wont get them a new staduim, no fans show up even when they are good. This is a perfect team to move to a new market.

[erik316wttn]

I dont think that they should contract the marlins, but they should move it to another market. The city wont get them a new staduim, no fans show up even when they are good. This is a perfect team to move to a new market.

 

What's another good market? I know they'd draw in Vegas and they'd have casino sponsors out the wazoo, but then there's that whole "Gambling" issue... it wouldn't fly. You'd have to take ALL MLB games off the books, not just Marlins games, and I don't think that would fly.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I dont think that they should contract the marlins, but they should move it to another market. The city wont get them a new staduim, no fans show up even when they are good. This is a perfect team to move to a new market.

 

What's another good market? I know they'd draw in Vegas and they'd have casino sponsors out the wazoo, but then there's that whole "Gambling" issue... it wouldn't fly. You'd have to take ALL MLB games off the books, not just Marlins games.

 

IIRC, the other biggest markets without a team are Portland, Vegas, Charlotte, and New Orleans, not in any particular order.

[erik316wttn]

I dont think that they should contract the marlins, but they should move it to another market. The city wont get them a new staduim, no fans show up even when they are good. This is a perfect team to move to a new market.

 

What's another good market? I know they'd draw in Vegas and they'd have casino sponsors out the wazoo, but then there's that whole "Gambling" issue... it wouldn't fly. You'd have to take ALL MLB games off the books, not just Marlins games.

 

IIRC, the other biggest markets without a team are Portland, Vegas, Charlotte, and New Orleans, not in any particular order.

 

Charlotte is a hole. Been there once, never plan to again. They couldn't keep the Hornets, so who says a team would do well there?

 

Portland is in the pacific northwest and would need a dome because of all the rain.

 

Vegas we've already said.

 

Don't know much about what kind of a market Nawlins would be.

[EricG]

put a team in San Jose and another in New York.

[cbbryan]

I dont think that they should contract the marlins, but they should move it to another market. The city wont get them a new staduim, no fans show up even when they are good. This is a perfect team to move to a new market.

 

What's another good market? I know they'd draw in Vegas and they'd have casino sponsors out the wazoo, but then there's that whole "Gambling" issue... it wouldn't fly. You'd have to take ALL MLB games off the books, not just Marlins games.

 

IIRC, the other biggest markets without a team are Portland, Vegas, Charlotte, and New Orleans, not in any particular order.

 

In a thread a couple weeks ago, another poster brought up Nashville.

[cbbryan]

there is always something worse than being a Cubs fan.

 

I wouldn't even know how to fix that team. They are comitted to youth and building internally, which has worked for Cleveland, but if they had any budget at all, they could make a quicker turnaround (a la Detroit) by supplementing the team with some proven vets.

 

KC is a perfect example of why MLB should have a minimum cap. You have to spend X amount every year in payroll. Don't like it, sell the team to someone that will put a better product on the field.

 

And I think if we ever see an MLB salary cap in our lifetimes, there will have to be a salary floor included.

 

I don't think we'll ever see a hard cap. I think you continue with the luxury tax, increase revenue sharing, and you have to MAKE teams at least try to assemble a good product. Spending the most money doesn't guarantee you a WS title, but not spending any money pretty much guarantees you'll have a terrible product.

 

I think the minimum payroll should be around 50 Million. It would force teams like TB and KC to spend, or bring in owners that wanted to. How many great young players would KC still have if they were forced to spend 50 Million every year? Sure, they wouldn't have all of them, but they would have someone better then Sweeney.

[illiniguy]

there is always something worse than being a Cubs fan.

 

I wouldn't even know how to fix that team. They are comitted to youth and building internally, which has worked for Cleveland, but if they had any budget at all, they could make a quicker turnaround (a la Detroit) by supplementing the team with some proven vets.

 

The problem is that they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. In their preseason rankings, BA says only Detroit and St. Louis are worse.

Funny I would rather have Billy Butler than anyone of our players in the minor leagues. Yeah and Alex Gordon too. Granted he wasn't on the team before the season. Living in KC now I got to see the game against the Indians where they were up 6 in the ninth and then gave up 11. Glass will again pocket over 50 million this year because of revenue sharing and his nonexsistant payroll. Baseball needs to fix that.

[CuseCubFan69]

19 in a row, 2 short of tying the AL record.

 

Just lose baby.

 

Sisco seems to have slumped a little of late too.

 

any chance they send him to the minors :wink:

 

You had me smiling for a minute then I remembered that they have kept him long enough to be able to send him down...I think.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

put a team in San Jose and another in New York.

 

Yeah San Jose is the biggest city in the Bay, but three teams in one metro area (especially when you wouldn't be putting in a third team in bigger metro areas like LA and Chicago)? I doubt a third team within 40 miles of the A's and Giants would work. I have no clue if a third team in New York would work, but the same questions would be there.

 

there is always something worse than being a Cubs fan.

 

I wouldn't even know how to fix that team. They are comitted to youth and building internally, which has worked for Cleveland, but if they had any budget at all, they could make a quicker turnaround (a la Detroit) by supplementing the team with some proven vets.

 

The problem is that they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. In their preseason rankings, BA says only Detroit and St. Louis are worse.

Funny I would rather have Billy Butler than anyone of our players in the minor leagues. Yeah and Alex Gordon too. Granted he wasn't on the team before the season. Living in KC now I got to see the game against the Indians where they were up 6 in the ninth and then gave up 11. Glass will again pocket over 50 million this year because of revenue sharing and his nonexsistant payroll. Baseball needs to fix that.

 

Butler is a sweet player, but they have to sign Gordon first before you can consider him a part of their farm (and him signing is in doubt, apparently).

 

If Gordon signs, their farm will have improved nicely, just as Detroit and St. Louis's have this year too.

 

19 in a row, 2 short of tying the AL record.

 

Just lose baby.

 

Sisco seems to have slumped a little of late too.

 

any chance they send him to the minors :wink:

 

You had me smiling for a minute then I remembered that they have kept him long enough to be able to send him down...I think.

 

No, he has to be on the big league team all season, but now they can stash him on the DL for the rest of the season and still keep him.

[illiniguy]

put a team in San Jose and another in New York.

 

Yeah San Jose is the biggest city in the Bay, but three teams in one metro area (especially when you wouldn't be putting in a third team in bigger metro areas like LA and Chicago)? I doubt a third team within 40 miles of the A's and Giants would work. I have no clue if a third team in New York would work, but the same questions would be there.

 

there is always something worse than being a Cubs fan.

 

I wouldn't even know how to fix that team. They are comitted to youth and building internally, which has worked for Cleveland, but if they had any budget at all, they could make a quicker turnaround (a la Detroit) by supplementing the team with some proven vets.

 

The problem is that they have one of the worst farm systems in baseball. In their preseason rankings, BA says only Detroit and St. Louis are worse.

Funny I would rather have Billy Butler than anyone of our players in the minor leagues. Yeah and Alex Gordon too. Granted he wasn't on the team before the season. Living in KC now I got to see the game against the Indians where they were up 6 in the ninth and then gave up 11. Glass will again pocket over 50 million this year because of revenue sharing and his nonexsistant payroll. Baseball needs to fix that.

 

Butler is a sweet player, but they have to sign Gordon first before you can consider him a part of their farm (and him signing is in doubt, apparently).

 

If Gordon signs, their farm will have improved nicely, just as Detroit and St. Louis's have this year too.

 

19 in a row, 2 short of tying the AL record.

 

Just lose baby.

 

Sisco seems to have slumped a little of late too.

 

any chance they send him to the minors :wink:

 

You had me smiling for a minute then I remembered that they have kept him long enough to be able to send him down...I think.

 

No, he has to be on the big league team all season, but now they can stash him on the DL for the rest of the season and still keep him.

They will sign him if not this year next year when they have the first pick again they will pick him and he will have lost all of his leverage. The one advantage they have. Butler is a beast though.

[Outshined_One]

Apparently Royals owner David Glass wants Kansas City to fork over $200m for stadium upgrades.

 

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[Guest]

Apparently Royals owner David Glass wants Kansas City to fork over $200m for stadium upgrades.

 

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Seems like a lot of money to improve a stadium that's already rated among the best in the majors. On the other hand, the K is one of the oldest stadiums around so it's probably due for a few touchups here and there. (It's also not unreasonable to expect the county to pay for the rennovations as the facitlity is publicly owned -- the Royals just lease the K.)

[illiniguy]

Apparently Royals owner David Glass wants Kansas City to fork over $200m for stadium upgrades.

 

Link

Seems like a lot of money to improve a stadium that's already rated among the best in the majors. On the other hand, the K is one of the oldest stadiums around so it's probably due for a few touchups here and there. (It's also not unreasonable to expect the county to pay for the rennovations as the facitlity is publicly owned -- the Royals just lease the K.)

well then he needs to take the 50 mil he gets from revenue sharing and put it back into his team. Like say keeping Damon and Beltran. He needs shown the door by Selig.

[Guest]

A little-known fact about the current Royals ownership: It cannot profit from the sale of the franchise. If the Glass family ever sells the Royals, whatever price they get beyond what they paid the Kauffman estate goes to KC-area charities, not into their own pockets. This would include selling out to the other owners in any contraction plan.

 

Bonus factoid: A year or so ago Glass actually discouraged local politicians from trying to build a publicly financed stadium in downtown KC, saying the Royals were pefectly happy at the K. (He did say, however, that Kauffman could use some updates, probably the source of the recent article.)

[Coach C]

A little-known fact about the current Royals ownership: It cannot profit from the sale of the franchise. If the Glass family ever sells the Royals, whatever price they get beyond what they paid the Kauffman estate goes to KC-area charities, not into their own pockets. This would include selling out to the other owners in any contraction plan.

 

Bonus factoid: A year or so ago Glass actually discouraged local politicians from trying to build a publicly financed stadium in downtown KC, saying the Royals were pefectly happy at the K. (He did say, however, that Kauffman could use some updates, probably the source of the recent article.)

 

That is correct. The Royals are fine at the K, but it does need improvements, that's for sure. Same thing goes for the Chiefs. Why they come up with the idea of downtown stadium is, simply, stupid. I like the K and Arrowhead right out of nowhere, between 2 interstates. It makes the traffic flow a bit more smoother.

 

Imagine a 60,000-70,000 attendence in a football game, in downtown, where all that traffic. That would be brutal.

[illiniguy]

A little-known fact about the current Royals ownership: It cannot profit from the sale of the franchise. If the Glass family ever sells the Royals, whatever price they get beyond what they paid the Kauffman estate goes to KC-area charities, not into their own pockets. This would include selling out to the other owners in any contraction plan.

 

Bonus factoid: A year or so ago Glass actually discouraged local politicians from trying to build a publicly financed stadium in downtown KC, saying the Royals were pefectly happy at the K. (He did say, however, that Kauffman could use some updates, probably the source of the recent article.)

 

That is correct. The Royals are fine at the K, but it does need improvements, that's for sure. Same thing goes for the Chiefs. Why they come up with the idea of downtown stadium is, simply, stupid. I like the K and Arrowhead right out of nowhere, between 2 interstates. It makes the traffic flow a bit more smoother.

 

Imagine a 60,000-70,000 attendence in a football game, in downtown, where all that traffic. That would be brutal.

yes it would be, plus the K is great for getting other teams autographs. You get there for BP and you can line up at their dugout. I got so far this year from this method, Vernon Wells, Angel Berroa, Matt Staris, Eric Chavez, Barry Zito, Danny Johnson, Danny Harren, Rich Harden, and Bobby Crosby. It was great because Zito talked with my brother and I for a few minutes, he made of fun of my Cubs hat. He asked if I cheered for a big league team too. I told him well yeah you guys and the big league Cubs. I told him if he keeps pitching well we might even call him up. He was a pretty cool guy.

[Cubfanintheknow]

A little-known fact about the current Royals ownership: It cannot profit from the sale of the franchise. If the Glass family ever sells the Royals, whatever price they get beyond what they paid the Kauffman estate goes to KC-area charities, not into their own pockets. This would include selling out to the other owners in any contraction plan.

 

So basically, the Glass family knows they can't make a bundle by selling. But they can continue making money through the league's revenue sharing plan while their team sucks it up on the field. Nice.

 

One owner who would be in favor of a minimum payroll is George Steinbrenner. He obviously doesn't mind paying the luxury tax. But he hates it that small market owners don't take that money and pump it back into their teams, as was the whole premise behind the luxury tax.

[erik316wttn]

I'd love to see the luxury tax money have to be pumped back into the team somehow, either payroll or stadium improvements or whatever. Maybe not 100%, but absolutely no less than 80% or so.

 

That sucks that owners just pocket that money. The Seligs were notorious for that in Milwaukee before they sold the team.

 

Does anyone with insider knowledge know if luxury tax money is a big issue when the owners and the union sit down and negotiate the CBA?

[treebird]

ALERT ALERT

 

royals winning 2-1 in oakland, going to the ninth

[Chris]

ALERT ALERT

 

royals winning 2-1 in oakland, going to the ninth

 

Ron said the Royals were winning in his postgame so I turned the game on.

[treebird]

ALERT ALERT

 

royals winning 2-1 in oakland, going to the ninth

 

Ron said the Royals were winning in his postgame so I turned the game on.

 

royals win

 

the a's offense thinks it's may again.

[Chris]

The Royals win :stickman: