Roster Move Coming on Friday?

[CubsWin]

Hey, CP20, what about the non-casual or serious fans who still back Hendry despite not agreeing with him sending Murton down? Or did you mean that only fans that don't pay enough attention and aren't really serious about the Cubs winning would still think Hendry is a GM worth having?

 

What I meant is that the fans that don't pay enough attention, whether they are Hendry backers or not, likely wouldn't change their position on the issue based on PT after they've been mathematically eliminated, since they, well, wouldn't pay attention to it.

That sounds like a lot of "transmogrification" to me, but I'll have to take your word for it.

[Iceblink]

This is a comical quote by Dusty. Reminds me of that old Far Side cartoon:

 

 

What Dusty says:

"You don't know how a young man's going to do," Baker said of Murton. "Is it necessary to hit home runs? The name of the game is scoring runs. You want to drive in runs. Sometimes you learn, sometimes you get stronger. Right now his stroke isn't like that. His stroke is more an opposite-field base hit stroke. Let's not forget, this young man is out of Double-A. It's his first stop at Triple-A. Most guys out of Double-A, they don't sniff the big leagues for a while. He's on a real good course."

 

What we hear:

Blah blah blah too young blah blah blah too young blah blah Hollandsworth man crush blah blah.

 

So, now that we've successfully convinced Corey (and Corey's convinced himself) to try pull everything until he can't hit, let's go ahead and tell Murton he can't play in the majors because he gets too many base hits to right field, and because we need to pull our team OBP down a bit.

[cbbryan]

Hey, CP20, what about the non-casual or serious fans who still back Hendry despite not agreeing with him sending Murton down? Or did you mean that only fans that don't pay enough attention and aren't really serious about the Cubs winning would still think Hendry is a GM worth having?

 

What I meant is that the fans that don't pay enough attention, whether they are Hendry backers or not, likely wouldn't change their position on the issue based on PT after they've been mathematically eliminated, since they, well, wouldn't pay attention to it.

That sounds like a lot of "transmogrification" to me, but I'll have to take your word for it.

 

transmogrify (tràns-mòg´re-fì´, trànz-) verb, transitive, To change into a different shape or form, especially one that is fantastic or bizarre. (The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition)

 

transmogrification - NOUN: The process or result of changing from one appearance, state, or phase to another: change, changeover, conversion, metamorphosis, mutation, shift, transfiguration, transformation, translation, transmutation, transubstantiation.

 

Hope that helps some folks! :wink:

[abuck1220]

This is a comical quote by Dusty. Reminds me of that old Far Side cartoon:

 

 

What Dusty says:

"You don't know how a young man's going to do," Baker said of Murton. "Is it necessary to hit home runs? The name of the game is scoring runs. You want to drive in runs. Sometimes you learn, sometimes you get stronger. Right now his stroke isn't like that. His stroke is more an opposite-field base hit stroke. Let's not forget, this young man is out of Double-A. It's his first stop at Triple-A. Most guys out of Double-A, they don't sniff the big leagues for a while. He's on a real good course."

 

What we hear:

Blah blah blah too young blah blah blah too young blah blah Hollandsworth man crush blah blah.

 

So, now that we've successfully convinced Corey (and Corey's convinced himself) to try pull everything until he can't hit, let's go ahead and tell Murton he can't play in the majors because he gets too many base hits to right field, and because we need to pull our team OBP down a bit.

 

that's hilarious. i don't know if i've ever heard of a guy being demoted because he knows how to go the other way. shame on you for knowing how to hit! watch jeromy burnitz beat weak grounders into the dirt for three weeks and then we'll talk!

[KW34]

By my calculations this most likely will allow Murton to retain his rookie status next year (2 days shy of 45 days on the 25 man roster). Not defending the move, but perhaps this had something to do with it.

 

But he'll be back in September to pick up that time.

 

September time doesn't count. If he has less than 130 at bats he will still be considered a rookie next year.

[abuck1220]

by the way, with williams in the pen, the cubs have an eight man pen. idiotic.

[Balsa]

By my calculations this most likely will allow Murton to retain his rookie status next year (2 days shy of 45 days on the 25 man roster). Not defending the move, but perhaps this had something to do with it.

 

But he'll be back in September to pick up that time.

 

September time doesn't count. If he has less than 130 at bats he will still be considered a rookie next year.

I wonder if you don't have something here.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

By my calculations this most likely will allow Murton to retain his rookie status next year (2 days shy of 45 days on the 25 man roster). Not defending the move, but perhaps this had something to do with it.

 

But he'll be back in September to pick up that time.

 

September time doesn't count. If he has less than 130 at bats he will still be considered a rookie next year.

 

I don't know about for Rookie of the Year consideration, but September still counts toward service time towards arbitration and free agency. I'd be very very upset if the Cubs demoted Murton just so he'd be in contention for an award next year.

[erik316wttn]

I'm starting to get sick of this circus act.

 

Starting to? You're more patient than me, my friend.

 

I was sick of it a LONG time ago. I was maybe thinking that it wasn't all Jim's fault, but this move convinced me. He needs to go along with Dusty.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Doesn't Murton have to be on the 25-man roster BEFORE Sept. 1 to be eligible for the playoff roster?

 

Something tells me that won't be an issue.

 

If the Cubs fail to make-up any ground before September, and they keep running out the likes of Burnitz & Co. everyday, then perhaps the Cubs fans who still think this regime is doing well will change their mind.

 

If the argument is you can't use kids when trying to contend, then what would be the defense for not using kids when you can no longer pretend that you are contending?

 

But even if they fail to make up any ground, they will still be able to say they are "in the race" until there are very few games left, at which point many casual fans who still back the Cubs brass won't care what happens.

 

I'm waiting for the same to dopes to wait for this team to finish with 83ish wins and argue for keeping Dusty around because he's the first manager in a long time to lead the team to three consecutive +.500 seasons.

Hey, CP20, what about the non-casual or serious fans who still back Hendry despite not agreeing with him sending Murton down? Or did you mean that only fans that don't pay enough attention and aren't really serious about the Cubs winning would still think Hendry is a GM worth having?

 

And, MPC, just a friendly word of advice, be careful who you call "dopes" on this board. Name-calling and insulting entire sections of Cubs fans just because you disagree with them tends to be poo-pooed around here.

 

I was not intending to call Baker supporters dopes, it was meant for some Cub fans that use the last 50 years of Cub futility as enough cause to support a manager who has raised the standard of performance the last few years by posting 2 plus .500 seasons. People that want to keep Baker around are fine with me, I disagree with them, but they can have their opinions. It frustrations me to hear fans that will use another 83 win season as justification to show what a great job Baker has done the past two seasons. I know a huge portion of Cub fans expect and demand more out of our team now, moreso than ever before and I don't want to have to settle mediocrity anymore. No offense intended to anyone.

[erik316wttn]

Doesn't Murton have to be on the 25-man roster BEFORE Sept. 1 to be eligible for the playoff roster?

 

Something tells me that won't be an issue.

 

If the Cubs fail to make-up any ground before September, and they keep running out the likes of Burnitz & Co. everyday, then perhaps the Cubs fans who still think this regime is doing well will change their mind.

 

If the argument is you can't use kids when trying to contend, then what would be the defense for not using kids when you can no longer pretend that you are contending?

 

But even if they fail to make up any ground, they will still be able to say they are "in the race" until there are very few games left, at which point many casual fans who still back the Cubs brass won't care what happens.

 

I'm waiting for the same to dopes to wait for this team to finish with 83ish wins and argue for keeping Dusty around because he's the first manager in a long time to lead the team to three consecutive +.500 seasons.

Hey, CP20, what about the non-casual or serious fans who still back Hendry despite not agreeing with him sending Murton down? Or did you mean that only fans that don't pay enough attention and aren't really serious about the Cubs winning would still think Hendry is a GM worth having?

 

And, MPC, just a friendly word of advice, be careful who you call "dopes" on this board. Name-calling and insulting entire sections of Cubs fans just because you disagree with them tends to be poo-pooed around here.

 

I was not intending to call Baker supporters dopes, it was meant for some Cub fans that use the last 50 years of Cub futility as enough cause to support a manager who has raised the standard of performance the last few years by posting 2 plus .500 seasons. People that want to keep Baker around are fine with me, I disagree with them, but they can have their opinions. It frustrations me to hear fans that will use another 83 win season as justification to show what a great job Baker has done the past two seasons. I know a huge portion of Cub fans expect and demand more out of our team now, moreso than ever before and I don't want to have to settle mediocrity anymore. No offense intended to anyone.

 

I agree totally. I'm one of those fans with that crazy new expectation of winning. 83 wins, and a decreasing win total for 3 years (or 2, whatever) does not cut it for me. I'd be for a sub-.500 year this year if it means getting rid of Dusty, and I'd be for an around .500 year next year if it means we sow the seeds to build a consistent winning team.

[CubfaninCA]

I'd like to see them move Holla and keep Murton up.. However, nothing wrong w/ getting Murton 4 ABs per day @ Iowa for a few weeks. But keep piling on Dusty, the man never hit a home run in his life. :roll:

[Illini Iceman]

I'd like to see them move Holla and keep Murton up.. However, nothing wrong w/ getting Murton 4 ABs per day @ Iowa for a few weeks. But keep piling on Dusty, the man never hit a home run in his life. :roll:

 

I don't understand what the big uproar is about. The reporter asked him if he was concerned because Murton did not hit for more power and Dusty essentialy said:

1) He is young and eventually may develop more power but for now he is more of a line drive opposite field hitter

and

2) There is nothing wrong with that type of hitter because the goal is to score runs and it doesn't have to be with HR's.

 

I don't know who could argue with either of these two points, but whenever Baker says something people have a tendency to twist it around so that it supports their hate for him.

 

Lawton is going to get a bulk of the playing time since Hendry brought him because he thinks it will give the Cubs an offensive lift, so sendng Murton down makes the most sense. You could argue that the right move was just to play Murton every day, but now that the move has been made to get Lawton it does not make sense to keep Murton on the bench and to DFA a guy like Holly who is historically a good PH'er.

[NewUserName]

I was one of the very few who was against the move to acquire Lawton and this is the main reason why. Until this whole organization changes how they are run, we can expect 30 year old mediocre players from other organizations to be the mainstay of the roster. I am seriously considering the Cleveland Indians bandwagon

[CuseCubFan69]

I was one of the very few who was against the move to acquire Lawton and this is the main reason why. Until this whole organization changes how they are run, we can expect 30 year old mediocre players from other organizations to be the mainstay of the roster. I am seriously considering the Cleveland Indians bandwagon

 

When you're there see if you can get them to send the Cubs a certain SS.

[NewUserName]

Yeah dont you think that Washington would take that certain SS on their team right now. Bartolo Colon was a great pickup for them though

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I was one of the very few who was against the move to acquire Lawton and this is the main reason why. Until this whole organization changes how they are run, we can expect 30 year old mediocre players from other organizations to be the mainstay of the roster. I am seriously considering the Cleveland Indians bandwagon

 

When you're there see if you can get them to send the Cubs a certain SS.

 

No Cuse I don't live near there anymore.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Yeah dont you think that Washington would take that certain SS on their team right now. Bartolo Colon was a great pickup for them though

 

Peralta? He's homegrown. Phillips, who has struggled mightily at the big league level with mild success at AAA, is the guy they got for Colon, along with Sizemore and Lee.

[NewUserName]

sorry about the mistake. Still not a good trade for the Expos/Nationals

[frostwyrm]

Even Dusty admitted Murton has proved he is very good against lefties, so it's puzzling that Murton is being replaced by Hairston, who will probably only face lefties. I can't see this as anything other than seniority-based favoritism.

[sethuel1]

By my calculations this most likely will allow Murton to retain his rookie status next year (2 days shy of 45 days on the 25 man roster). Not defending the move, but perhaps this had something to do with it.

 

But he'll be back in September to pick up that time.

 

September time doesn't count. If he has less than 130 at bats he will still be considered a rookie next year.

 

I don't know about for Rookie of the Year consideration, but September still counts toward service time towards arbitration and free agency. I'd be very very upset if the Cubs demoted Murton just so he'd be in contention for an award next year.

 

From the MLB rulebook:

 

Determining rookie status:

A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

 

 

He'll be a rookie next year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

By my calculations this most likely will allow Murton to retain his rookie status next year (2 days shy of 45 days on the 25 man roster). Not defending the move, but perhaps this had something to do with it.

 

But he'll be back in September to pick up that time.

 

September time doesn't count. If he has less than 130 at bats he will still be considered a rookie next year.

 

I don't know about for Rookie of the Year consideration, but September still counts toward service time towards arbitration and free agency. I'd be very very upset if the Cubs demoted Murton just so he'd be in contention for an award next year.

 

From the MLB rulebook:

 

Determining rookie status:

A player shall be considered a rookie unless, during a previous season or seasons, he has (a) exceeded 130 at-bats or 50 innings pitched in the Major Leagues; or (b) accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster of a Major League club or clubs during the period of 25-player limit (excluding time in the military service and time on the disabled list).

 

 

Okay, but Murton will still accrue service time towards arbitration in September. Like I said before, demoting him just so he can keep his "rookie" status doesn't make any sense. There's no benefit to him keeping that except for frill awards.

 

He'll be a rookie next year.