Don't go balistic but what could the Cubs get for Prior?

[XZero771679666304]

1) I don't think Prior's trade value is sky high anymore. He's injury prone and not as dominant anymore.

 

2) With Wood unreliable and probably gone after 06, the Cubs have to hang onto Prior.

 

3) With the minors not producing a whole, and Angel Guzman continually injured, the Cubs need to hang onto Prior.

 

I remember having this same debate about Wood years ago.

 

Wood and Prior are very different pitchers. Kerry has always been higher risk.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I reckon that it would be nearly impossible to improve the team by trading Prior. There's just not a deal out there that would get you what you want in return that a GM wouldn't laugh you off the phone.

 

I'm confused. Prior is so good you can't trade him but other GM's would laugh at you for wanting quality in return?

 

In order to improve your team by trading Prior, you need to get X amount in return. GM's would laugh you off the phone for trying to get X from them for Prior.

[CuseCubFan69]

I reckon that it would be nearly impossible to improve the team by trading Prior. There's just not a deal out there that would get you what you want in return that a GM wouldn't laugh you off the phone.

 

I'm confused. Prior is so good you can't trade him but other GM's would laugh at you for wanting quality in return?

 

In order to improve your team by trading Prior, you need to get X amount in return. GM's would laugh you off the phone for trying to get X from them for Prior.

 

I disagree. You just let the GM's know he may be available and let them do the bidding. He doesn't have to be traded and that works to the Cubs advantage.

[CuseCubFan69]

1) I don't think Prior's trade value is sky high anymore. He's injury prone and not as dominant anymore.

 

2) With Wood unreliable and probably gone after 06, the Cubs have to hang onto Prior.

 

3) With the minors not producing a whole, and Angel Guzman continually injured, the Cubs need to hang onto Prior.

 

I remember having this same debate about Wood years ago.

 

Wood and Prior are very different pitchers. Kerry has always been higher risk.

 

Maybe a higher risk...maybe but he still had a lot of value to offer to a team.

[CubfaninCA]

1) I don't think Prior's trade value is sky high anymore. He's injury prone and not as dominant anymore.

 

2) With Wood unreliable and probably gone after 06, the Cubs have to hang onto Prior.

 

3) With the minors not producing a whole, and Angel Guzman continually injured, the Cubs need to hang onto Prior.

 

I remember having this same debate about Wood years ago.

 

Wood and Prior are very different pitchers. Kerry has always been higher risk.

 

Maybe a higher risk...maybe but he still had a lot of value to offer to a team.

 

Get rid of Prior and the Cubs go from middle of the pack rotation to one of the worse. Some have not realized how quickly the Cub rotation has fallen. I didn't mind seeing Clement go cause he was always inconsistent and $8 mil/yr. was too much, but am kinda missing him now, especially w/ Maddux fading.

[CuseCubFan69]

1) I don't think Prior's trade value is sky high anymore. He's injury prone and not as dominant anymore.

 

2) With Wood unreliable and probably gone after 06, the Cubs have to hang onto Prior.

 

3) With the minors not producing a whole, and Angel Guzman continually injured, the Cubs need to hang onto Prior.

 

I remember having this same debate about Wood years ago.

 

Wood and Prior are very different pitchers. Kerry has always been higher risk.

 

Maybe a higher risk...maybe but he still had a lot of value to offer to a team.

 

Get rid of Prior and the Cubs go from middle of the pack rotation to one of the worse. Some have not realized how quickly the Cub rotation has fallen. I didn't mind seeing Clement go cause he was always inconsistent and $8 mil/yr. was too much, but am kinda missing him now, especially w/ Maddux fading.

 

That is my point...they have fallen and what is one pitcher going to do for them?

 

Also, trading a pitcher like Clement would have brought in some nice players but the Cubs instead got a 2nd round pick. Hendry can not wait IMO for things to happen and should make it happen this time.

 

Now, think about it. Prior and Z pitch and no runs are scored...what's the point? I also think that the Cubs could get a quality starting pitcher, a 2 or 3, to help ease the pain and loss of Prior.

 

IMO, this team will always hover around 500 unless Hendry makes a big deal like this. They'll always be an almost contender with little tweeks here and there to make them a little better or worse but to make that final push for greatness you have to do make a gamble like this.

[KatJ]

[Now, think about it. Prior and Z pitch and no runs are scored...what's the point? I also think that the Cubs could get a quality starting pitcher, a 2 or 3, to help ease the pain and loss of Prior.

 

Again, I'd hate to see Prior go. I can just envision him going somewhere and becoming a legend like Maddux in his prime. Mark's a talented guy; I don't want to have to root against him. :-)

 

But regardless, I think Jim Hendry needs to get a 2 or 3 starter anyway - an innings-eater like Jon Lieber was during his stint in a Cub uniform, or Matt Clement. Maddux can still do it, but anymore he just gives up too many HRs for him to be any more than a No. 3 or 4 starter.

 

I just don't want to see ANOTHER season with our hopes pinned on Prior and Wood, with no backup if (when?) they are out of commission.

[imb]

Clement's ERA is a very Maddux like 4.67 right now, if i remember right.

[Outshined_One]

Okay, the next person who says that Prior is injury-prone needs to be found and slapped. I'm sick and tired of people coming out and saying this.

 

What, like colliding with Marcus Giles will leave any given person as fresh as a daisy?

 

Like taking a screaming comebacker off of one's pitching arm suddenly makes your brittle?

 

Of Prior's four seasons, only one of them saw him significantly injured that was not the result of some horrifying accident. He could have finished up the first season, but the Cubs decided to play it safe and shut him down.

 

As for the Prior's trade value, I'd ask the moon for him. We're talking top young players who can only get better (i.e. Miguel Cabrera, Jake Peavy, Joe Mauer, etc), elite prospects (i.e. Felix Hernandez, Delmon Young, etc), and/or All Star caliber players who likely won't start declining any time soon (Miguel Tejada, Bobby Abreu, Alex Rodriguez, etc).

[NorthsideAvenger]

I never understood why people are calling Prior "injury-prone." KW...yes...Prior. No.

 

And getting back on topic, NO I WOULDN'T TRADE PRIOR, period. Finding quality PITCHING is hard to do. Do you want to go back to the days in which the Cubs were getting guys like Mark Clark, Danny Wilson, Jamie Navarro, etc, etc. Because I don't. I sorry someone says that Prior "won't become a legend like Maddux" is basing tha off a couple of seasons?

 

http://baseballreference.com/m/maddugr01.shtml

 

Would anybody call Maddux a "legend" after a couple of seasons? Of course not. To become a "legend" it takes time, consistancy, and dominance. So to right off Prior at 24 (25 yrs old later in the season) is mind-boggling madness. So, I would build around Z and Prior (since we wouldn't get the package that it would take) in the rotation, and go from there.

 

Trading Prior would be a very CUB-LIKE move. And they differently would be regretting it, within moments of it. No trade of Prior is worth it.

 

As for the Prior's trade value, I'd ask the moon for him. We're talking top young players who can only get better (i.e. Miguel Cabrera, Jake Peavy, Joe Mauer, etc), elite prospects (i.e. Felix Hernandez, Delmon Young, etc), and/or All Star caliber players who likely won't start declining any time soon (Miguel Tejada, Bobby Abreu, Alex Rodriguez, etc).

Edited August 13, 2005 by NorthsideAvenger

[Careless]

1) I don't think Prior's trade value is sky high anymore. He's injury prone and not as dominant anymore.

Say that again once prior gets a second arm injury.

[Illini Iceman]

The combination of low salary, current effectiveness and enormous upside makes Prior untouchable IMO. The way the Cubs have struggled so much this year to fill the 5th starter hole shows how hard it is to get a solid starting pitcher so it makes no sense to trade one they already have in place. I really hope that Guzman can get healthy and have a good winter and ST and that Wood can have successful surgery to clean out his shoulder. The rotation of Prior, Zambrano, Wood, Guzman and Maddux would be deadly if the stars can even align and get them all through a complete season intact. Combining that with a bullpen of Dempster, Williamson, Novoa, Wuertz, Ohman and LOOGY to be named later would make for very nice pitching staff and save plenty of budget to invest in an upgraded offense.

[ltb]

1) I don't think Prior's trade value is sky high anymore. He's injury prone and not as dominant anymore.

 

i didn't see this the first time,but....

 

hahahahahahahahaha

 

injury prone?

 

yeah, taking balls off your elbow is TOTALLY your fault and makes you injury prone.

 

:roll:

[brindelin]

 

Also, trading a pitcher like Clement would have brought in some nice players but the Cubs instead got a 2nd round pick. Hendry can not wait IMO for things to happen and should make it happen this time.

 

 

We were sitting pretty good in the Wild Card race last year so trading Clement would have been somewhat silly.