Why does Dusty take Murton out when he already has a hit?

[LuvChicagoSports]

Dusty in a double switch decides to take one of his hottest hitters in his lineup out of the game. I don't understand this, he could have just as easily taken 0-2 Neifi out of the game and put Walker in. I can't stand watching the moves Dusty makes. He is an incompetant manager and Jim needs to get him out of town.

[sweetpeteman]

Dusty in a double switch decides to take one of his hottest hitters in his lineup out of the game. I don't understand this, he could have just as easily taken 0-2 Neifi out of the game and put Walker in. I can't stand watching the moves Dusty makes. He is an incompetant manager and Jim needs to get him out of town.

 

MURTON IS A ROOKIE.

[LuvChicagoSports]

I don't care Gerut is a lefty that hasn't proven anything yet. Don't get me wrong I like him on our team, but the one guy that has proven he is worthy of playing time doesn't get it. Hollandsworth hasn't shown anything except for two weeks of play. Dusty has his guys and if you aren't on the list it's a bad situation for you. Are you telling me that there aren't rookies who've played extremely well in the past? Are you telling me rookies are incapable of getting big hits even though Murton proved yesterday he is more capable of getting runs in than Dusty's boy Hollandsworth? I'm tired of watching this shi*t. The players are managing to win despite their manager continuing to make bad decisions. I was all about Dusty Baker when the Cubs decided to bring him in, but he has made enough bad moves that I can't even stand watching the games sometimes because it gets frustrating.

 

LOL, and of course my point is gone to waste cause Gerut gets a double. Way to be newcomer, go cubbies!

[Tanner_20]

because Gerut doubled coming in with the double switch

[mhuber92211]

It was the best move to make. He can't burn the pen like that in another close game and with Cedeno & Murton starting only Macias & Blanco are left who are RH on the bench. It was a smart baseball move.

[LuvChicagoSports]

It was the best move to make. He can't burn the pen like that in another close game and with Cedeno & Murton starting only Macias & Blanco are left who are RH on the bench. It was a smart baseball move.

 

I understand what you are saying, but Neifi could have been moved for walker. I guess in my book it is a lose lose situation because Neifi has been playing better as of late and has gotten big hits in the past week. I guess I get upset that all the fans want to see Murton play, he gets a hit and 1 other at bat and then is done for two more days. I know it made sense to make a double switch, and I am not upset about that I guess I am just frustrated we don't see more of Murton.

[imb]

It was stupid.

 

He did it because he wanted to leave Ohman in to pitch the seventh, which is stupid considering he's nothing more than a LOOGY. Anyway, Ohman was set to lead off, so he wanted to double switch so he could leave Ohman in to pitch. No runs scored, and Ohman, of course, blew.

 

GG Dusty, a new low.

[LuvChicagoSports]

I would have had Rusch come in if I was going to make a double switch. Ohman got the guys out in the 6th inning, but the problem is he isn't a long reliever, so sending him back out in the seventh was a risk. And now Hollandsworth k's which is nothing new. Dusty's boy is a POS who should not start more than once a week. Murton should get the majority of the playing time, although some very difficult righties should allow Gerut to get a day of play.

[hawkeyecub]

It was stupid.

 

He did it because he wanted to leave Ohman in to pitch the seventh, which is stupid considering he's nothing more than a LOOGY.

 

Exactly and the first two batters in the 7th were left-handed.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It was stupid.

 

He did it because he wanted to leave Ohman in to pitch the seventh, which is stupid considering he's nothing more than a LOOGY.

 

Exactly and the first two batters in the 7th were left-handed.

 

Lefty One Out GuY

 

Ohman trying to go 1 and 2/3 innings probably isn't a great idea.

[hawkeyecub]

It was stupid.

 

He did it because he wanted to leave Ohman in to pitch the seventh, which is stupid considering he's nothing more than a LOOGY.

 

Exactly and the first two batters in the 7th were left-handed.

 

Lefty One Out GuY

 

Ohman trying to go 1 and 2/3 innings probably isn't a great idea.

 

Do you really take that term literally?

 

LOOGY is basically another term for a situational lefty. If there are two lefties coming up back to back, that doesn't mean he can only face one of them for One Out. He's pretty effective at getting lefties out, they're hitting .213/.280/.340 against him.

 

By the way why can't he work 1.2 IP? He's worked 1 and 2/3 six times this year. In those he's given up a total of 2 hits, and 3 walks. That's 5 base runners and 0 runs in a total of 10 innings when asked to go 1.2.

 

But yeah, he probably can't work 1 and 2/3 innings.

[LuvChicagoSports]

it doesn't matter the more mistakes the idiot makes the sooner we can get rid of him. The Giants fans found out how pathetic he was as a manager and let him go after he took the team to the world series. I always thought it was odd that a manager that took a team to the world series would be let go, but we now know why it happened. Because Dusty didn't take the team to the world series, but the players made it in spite of him. Dusty is a pathetic in-game manager and is costing the Cubs not only a chance to make the playoffs, but also a chance to look at our young players to determine if they are capable of being everyday players for us in the future. Dusty Baker is a major problem and until he is no longer with the Cubs we will no play up to our potential.

[mhuber92211]

so the fact that we have played 14 straight games with the pen involved in every one is ignored by everyone? Not to mention the fact that we have 3 more games to go in the series. Also of note is that the innings pitched by the pen haven't been easy ones. These close games are more taxing then mop up work.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It was stupid.

 

He did it because he wanted to leave Ohman in to pitch the seventh, which is stupid considering he's nothing more than a LOOGY.

 

Exactly and the first two batters in the 7th were left-handed.

 

Lefty One Out GuY

 

Ohman trying to go 1 and 2/3 innings probably isn't a great idea.

 

Do you really take that term literally?

 

LOOGY is basically another term for a situational lefty. If there are two lefties coming up back to back, that doesn't mean he can only face one of them for One Out. He's pretty effective at getting lefties out, they're hitting .213/.280/.340 against him.

 

By the way why can't he work 1.2 IP? He's worked 1 and 2/3 six times this year. In those he's given up a total of 2 hits, and 3 walks. That's 5 base runners and 0 runs in a total of 10 innings when asked to go 1.2.

 

But yeah, he probably can't work 1 and 2/3 innings.

 

Huh, didn't realize that he had had that many long outings. You were right.

[muntjack]

Dusty in a double switch decides to take one of his hottest hitters in Baseball out of the game. I don't understand this, he could have just as easily taken 0-2 Neifi out of the game and put Walker in. I can't stand watching the moves Dusty makes. He is an incompetant manager and Jim needs to get him out of town.

 

Fixed your post

[KrCubs]

The Giants fans found out how pathetic he was as a manager and let him go after he took the team to the world series.

 

I've never really understood this view of Baker, why people say the Cubs should have known better because "the Giants let him go." He was there for ten years, right? Its not like they saw how terrible he was after a year or two and dumped him. I'm not saying he's the best manager, I think most people agree he makes a lot of bad decisions. But if anything, if he's that horrible a manager, then the Giants aren't smart for letting him go, they are dumb for having him there for as long as they did.

[imb]

It was dumb overmanaging. He played the bottom of the inning for one run, got 0, and gave up 2 more in the process. Well done.

[hawkeyecub]

It was dumb overmanaging. He played the bottom of the inning for one run, got 0, and gave up 2 more in the process. Well done.

 

So you're judging the decision simply based on the result?

 

The fact that we got 0 runs, wasn't based on the double switch. Gerut led off the inning with a double, so he did his job and the decision to put him in paid off. Unfortunately we stranded him at 3rd.

 

Again, please tell me what was wrong with leaving Ohman in to pitch the 7th? He's our best situational lefty and there were two lefties leading off the 7th. On the last page I posted what Ohman has done in situations where he's been asked to go 1 and 2/3 innings. He's done it 6 times for a total of 10 innings with 5 base runners allowed and 0 runs.

He can obviously handle working more than 1 inning.

[David]

It was dumb overmanaging. He played the bottom of the inning for one run, got 0, and gave up 2 more in the process. Well done.

 

So you're judging the decision simply based on the result?

 

The fact that we got 0 runs, wasn't based on the double switch. Gerut led off the inning with a double, so he did his job and the decision to put him in paid off. Unfortunately we stranded him at 3rd.

 

Again, please tell me what was wrong with leaving Ohman in to pitch the 7th? He's our best situational lefty and there were two lefties leading off the 7th. On the last page I posted what Ohman has done in situations where he's been asked to go 1 and 2/3 innings. He's done it 6 times for a total of 10 innings with 5 base runners allowed and 0 runs.

He can obviously handle working more than 1 inning.

 

 

I think he's judging the decision on how stupid it is to play for ONE RUN...regardless of whether they got it or not.

 

The fact that they scored none only makes it look even dumber in hindsight.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

It was dumb overmanaging. He played the bottom of the inning for one run, got 0, and gave up 2 more in the process. Well done.

 

So you're judging the decision simply based on the result?

 

The fact that we got 0 runs, wasn't based on the double switch. Gerut led off the inning with a double, so he did his job and the decision to put him in paid off. Unfortunately we stranded him at 3rd.

 

Again, please tell me what was wrong with leaving Ohman in to pitch the 7th? He's our best situational lefty and there were two lefties leading off the 7th. On the last page I posted what Ohman has done in situations where he's been asked to go 1 and 2/3 innings. He's done it 6 times for a total of 10 innings with 5 base runners allowed and 0 runs.

He can obviously handle working more than 1 inning.

 

 

I think he's judging the decision on how stupid it is to play for ONE RUN...regardless of whether they got it or not.

 

The fact that they scored none only makes it look even dumber in hindsight.

 

But Hairston bunting had nothing to do with the double switch.

[LuvChicagoSports]

What it boils down to with me is that Murton has proven he is able to have a good at bat in big situations at that point in time we were down 1 run, I do not think it was right to take out a hitter that you could very well need later in the game. But in Dusty's mind rookies can't be effective and Todd Hollandsworth is the guy to count on because at least he has sucked for a long time.