Any interest in Manny Ramirez?

[Outshined_One]

Sounds like he wants out of Boston:

 

Link

 

He'd definitely solve our offensive hole in LF.

[Jazz]

it also sounds like he wont be dealt till this offseason if it at all, would the red sox go for Wood, and Murton?

[hawkeyecub]

Only if they eat a substantial portion of that contract and even then I would have some reservations. But I don't see them trading him this year.

[satxcubfan]

Sounds like he wants out of Boston:

 

Link

 

He'd definitely solve our offensive hole in LF.

 

I'll pass. Too much money on his contract, and we don't need another Sosa type player who only thinks of himself.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

You though Dubois's D was bad? Wait till you see Manny on a daily basis. Train wreck.

 

He does put out offensively, but the laziness and lack of basic defensive skills scare me.

 

Would life in Chicago be as private as Manny seems to need? I doubt it.

[ThePenguin11]

Sounds like he wants out of Boston:

 

Link

 

He'd definitely solve our offensive hole in LF.

 

I'll pass. Too much money on his contract, and we don't need another Sosa type player who only thinks of himself.

 

I'm sorry but Manny and Sammy are polar opposites. They may both seem like jackasses to us but Manny is beloved in that clubhouse. He is also 10X the hitter Sammy ever was. He is a perennial AVG threat with great power and discipline at the plate. There are a lot of teams who must be kicking themselves for not grabbing Manny when they could have picked up his contract with out a trade. His stock was obviously at an all time low, but he finished up strong. He is worth the money he's being paid and the Cubs could afford to pay him. However I don't realistically see him ever wearing Cubbie Blue.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If Boston would eat some cash, surely I'd do that deal. Pencil in Manny in the line-up with Lee and Ramirez...wow....wow...wow!

[ThePenguin11]

Sounds like he wants out of Boston:

 

Link

 

He'd definitely solve our offensive hole in LF.

 

I'll pass. Too much money on his contract, and we don't need another Sosa type player who only thinks of himself.

 

I'm sorry but Manny and Sammy are polar opposites. They may both seem like jackasses to us but Manny is beloved in that clubhouse. He is also 10X the hitter Sammy ever was. He is a perennial AVG threat with great power and discipline at the plate. There are a lot of teams who must be kicking themselves for not grabbing Manny when they could have picked up his contract with out a trade. His stock was obviously at an all time low, but he finished up strong. He is worth the money he's being paid and the Cubs could afford to pay him. However I don't realistically see him ever wearing Cubbie Blue.

 

And before Sammy fans try to berate me for saying Manny dwarfs Sammy...

 

Career

Sosa: .275 AVG - .346 OBP - .539 SLG - 0.885 OPS

Manny: .313 AVG - .409 OBP - .598 SLG - 1.007 OPS

 

I'd trade just about anyone to get Manny - even at 33 years old.

[CubfaninCA]

Sure. Trade them Wood, Maddux and a filler in the offseason. Lee, Manny and ARam >> Edmonds, Pujols and Rolen.

 

I know there's a slim chance of Maddux and Wood both accepting a trade, but can always hope. :) The chances are probably better w/ dealing off Wood cause Boston may give him a 1 yr. extension.

 

At this point, I'd rather see Williams and Hill starting next year, with the Cubs picking up an FA for 06. Maybe Schmidt.

[jdelaney5150]

Sounds like he wants out of Boston:

 

Link

 

He'd definitely solve our offensive hole in LF.

 

I'll pass. Too much money on his contract, and we don't need another Sosa type player who only thinks of himself.

 

I'm sorry but Manny and Sammy are polar opposites. They may both seem like jackasses to us but Manny is beloved in that clubhouse. He is also 10X the hitter Sammy ever was. He is a perennial AVG threat with great power and discipline at the plate. There are a lot of teams who must be kicking themselves for not grabbing Manny when they could have picked up his contract with out a trade. His stock was obviously at an all time low, but he finished up strong. He is worth the money he's being paid and the Cubs could afford to pay him. However I don't realistically see him ever wearing Cubbie Blue.

 

And before Sammy fans try to berate me for saying Manny dwarfs Sammy...

 

Career

Sosa: .275 AVG - .346 OBP - .539 SLG - 0.885 OPS

Manny: .313 AVG - .409 OBP - .598 SLG - 1.007 OPS

 

I'd trade just about anyone to get Manny - even at 33 years old.

 

Not a Sammy fan, but wanted to jump in since I just had this argument with a friend of mine over the weekend. There is no question that Manny is quite a bit better career hitter than Sosa. However, your statement that Manny "is also 10X the hitter Sammy ever was" is completely false.

 

These are Sosa's numbers from 98 - 01:

98 - .308 AVG - .377 OBP - .647 SLG - 1.024 OPS

99 - .288 AVG - .367 OBP - .635 SLG - 1.002 OPS

00 - .320 AVG - .406 OBP - .634 SLG - 1.040 OPS

01 - .328 AVG - .437 OBP - .737 SLG - 1.174 OPS

 

So, clearly for about a 4 year period Sammy was every bit the hitter that Ramirez was and is.

[mjued926]

Sure. Trade them Wood, Maddux and a filler in the offseason. Lee, Manny and ARam >> Edmonds, Pujols and Rolen.

 

I know there's a slim chance of Maddux and Wood both accepting a trade, but can always hope. :) The chances are probably better w/ dealing off Wood cause Boston may give him a 1 yr. extension.

 

At this point, I'd rather see Williams and Hill starting next year, with the Cubs picking up an FA for 06. Maybe Schmidt.

 

The problem with that is nobody is going to want Wood that bad this offseason until he proves he can do something without injuring himself. And he has a fairly sizeable contract as well. And why would Boston want Maddux at his age? They will have Schilling coming back at full strength and would not have a need for Maddux really. To get Manny we would have to give them a lot more than an injured wood.

 

It would take something more like Hill, Dopirak, Wood and maybe even more, they aren't just going to give away someone who is still putting up some of the best offensive numbers in baseball.

 

On the downside Manny's defensive and hustle makes ARam's hustle on the basepaths look incredible. Manny dog's every everything and he is largely aided by the green monster with his defense. Seeing as though it is a short porch and gives pretty consistent bounces unlike Wrigley

 

I would do whatever we could to get Manny without totally giving up on all our prospects. You think they would take Neifi or Macias off our hands? Maybe Nomar sign and trade back to Boston?

[CubfaninCA]

Sure. Trade them Wood, Maddux and a filler in the offseason. Lee, Manny and ARam >> Edmonds, Pujols and Rolen.

 

I know there's a slim chance of Maddux and Wood both accepting a trade, but can always hope. :) The chances are probably better w/ dealing off Wood cause Boston may give him a 1 yr. extension.

 

At this point, I'd rather see Williams and Hill starting next year, with the Cubs picking up an FA for 06. Maybe Schmidt.

 

The problem with that is nobody is going to want Wood that bad this offseason until he proves he can do something without injuring himself. And he has a fairly sizeable contract as well. And why would Boston want Maddux at his age? They will have Schilling coming back at full strength and would not have a need for Maddux really. To get Manny we would have to give them a lot more than an injured wood.

 

It would take something more like Hill, Dopirak, Wood and maybe even more, they aren't just going to give away someone who is still putting up some of the best offensive numbers in baseball.

 

On the downside Manny's defensive and hustle makes ARam's hustle on the basepaths look incredible. Manny dog's every everything and he is largely aided by the green monster with his defense. Seeing as though it is a short porch and gives pretty consistent bounces unlike Wrigley

 

I would do whatever we could to get Manny without totally giving up on all our prospects. You think they would take Neifi or Macias off our hands? Maybe Nomar sign and trade back to Boston?

 

Boston may be pretty happy to see Manny's monster contract gone. Didn't they place him on waivers a few years ago?? This is kind of reminiscent of the Sosa fiasco where the two sides just could not coexist any longer, however, Manny's still quite productive. There shouldn't be too big of market for Manny as only the big market teams can afford him. Perhaps Dopriak would need to be thrown in, but not him and Hill. As for throwing in Maddux, that's just wishful thinking. Hence the :) If Wood looks strong in spring training hopefully that's enough to make such a deal work.

[Roast]

HOLY POOP. I'd LOVELOVELOVE to have him in left.

 

and you guys are completely right. We do not need another sosa like player. Who the hell would want someone who could offensivley carry a team for an entire season.

[rickrolled]

The article says he doesn't think he has enough privacy for his life off the field in Boston. How would he have privacy in Chicago?

[RynoRules]

If Boston would eat some cash, surely I'd do that deal. Pencil in Manny in the line-up with Lee and Ramirez...wow....wow...wow!

 

Exactly.

[Cubzfan64]

From what I've heard, Manny has been put on waivers at least 2 of the last 3 offseasons but nobody is willing to take on his ~$20 mil per year salary.

 

Boston would probably eat some of the money, but my guess is both sides continue this love/hate relationship until he either retires at the end of his Boston contract or moves on to another team.

 

Manny can be a lazy butt both on offense and defense and he's likely less than an average fielder, but for the right combination of players, I think it might be interesting to throw him into the offense in Wrigley for a couple years.

 

I doubt it will happen, but it would probably be fun.

[nolanwood]

There is no way I want Manny's horrid defense on this team - he makes Dunn and Alou look like gold glovers.

[stitchface]

manny in LF = world series. his offensive production would far outweigh his defensive liabilities - particularly in a little park like wrigley. anyone who wouldn't want manny is completely out of their mind in my opinion.

[CubfaninCA]

From what I've heard, Manny has been put on waivers at least 2 of the last 3 offseasons but nobody is willing to take on his ~$20 mil per year salary.

 

Boston would probably eat some of the money, but my guess is both sides continue this love/hate relationship until he either retires at the end of his Boston contract or moves on to another team.

 

Manny can be a lazy butt both on offense and defense and he's likely less than an average fielder, but for the right combination of players, I think it might be interesting to throw him into the offense in Wrigley for a couple years.

 

I doubt it will happen, but it would probably be fun.

 

Just make them eat Kerry's deal for next year. If dugout dollars is correct, the difference in Manny and Kerry's pay is $7 million for 2006. Also, since Boston has been waiving Manny, I bet they'd roll the dice and give Wood an extension.

 

Throw the Red Sox Dopriak and perhaps another prospect. The Cubs would owe Manny $38 in 2007 and 2008. Not bad considering his production. Also, w/ the Cubs brininging in fans by the millions, they'll most likely be raising revenue, so there shouldn't be a budget problem.

[ThePenguin11]

Sounds like he wants out of Boston:

 

Link

 

He'd definitely solve our offensive hole in LF.

 

I'll pass. Too much money on his contract, and we don't need another Sosa type player who only thinks of himself.

 

I'm sorry but Manny and Sammy are polar opposites. They may both seem like jackasses to us but Manny is beloved in that clubhouse. He is also 10X the hitter Sammy ever was. He is a perennial AVG threat with great power and discipline at the plate. There are a lot of teams who must be kicking themselves for not grabbing Manny when they could have picked up his contract with out a trade. His stock was obviously at an all time low, but he finished up strong. He is worth the money he's being paid and the Cubs could afford to pay him. However I don't realistically see him ever wearing Cubbie Blue.

 

And before Sammy fans try to berate me for saying Manny dwarfs Sammy...

 

Career

Sosa: .275 AVG - .346 OBP - .539 SLG - 0.885 OPS

Manny: .313 AVG - .409 OBP - .598 SLG - 1.007 OPS

 

I'd trade just about anyone to get Manny - even at 33 years old.

 

Not a Sammy fan, but wanted to jump in since I just had this argument with a friend of mine over the weekend. There is no question that Manny is quite a bit better career hitter than Sosa. However, your statement that Manny "is also 10X the hitter Sammy ever was" is completely false.

 

These are Sosa's numbers from 98 - 01:

98 - .308 AVG - .377 OBP - .647 SLG - 1.024 OPS

99 - .288 AVG - .367 OBP - .635 SLG - 1.002 OPS

00 - .320 AVG - .406 OBP - .634 SLG - 1.040 OPS

01 - .328 AVG - .437 OBP - .737 SLG - 1.174 OPS

 

So, clearly for about a 4 year period Sammy was every bit the hitter that Ramirez was and is.

 

Sorry, you took me too literally at '10 times' the hitter. But the fact is that Manny is a "real" hitter, who hits to all fields and has real hitting ability with the strength of a slugger. Sammy was not a great hitter, he was above average at best. Manny's dominance has been sustained over his whole career and to me he's 1.20 X's the hitter Sammy ever was.

[Balsa]

I want to hang onto Wood. Look at how Morris has come back. 11-2 before he ran into us. I'm optimistic he'll be usefull in '06. If not the first, then the second half.

 

As far as Manny, I would love to have him here for a year, but not much longer. If we were going to make a run (like right now would be best) I could see him for one the second-half. He has 90 RBIs ALREADY. Wow. And check this out, he's a team player.

At one point last season, he even offered to give up part of his contract if it would help the Red Sox re-sign Pedro Martinez

 

(source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/scouting?statsId=5132)

 

But then, I'd like for the Cubs to fill in with a player like Murton there too. I really like Murton's speed. So I guess a yes, but not for more than a year contract.

[The Voice of Reason]

From what I've heard, Manny has been put on waivers at least 2 of the last 3 offseasons but nobody is willing to take on his ~$20 mil per year salary.

 

Boston would probably eat some of the money, but my guess is both sides continue this love/hate relationship until he either retires at the end of his Boston contract or moves on to another team.

 

Manny can be a lazy butt both on offense and defense and he's likely less than an average fielder, but for the right combination of players, I think it might be interesting to throw him into the offense in Wrigley for a couple years.

 

I doubt it will happen, but it would probably be fun.

 

 

Just make them eat Kerry's deal for next year. If dugout dollars is correct, the difference in Manny and Kerry's pay is $7 million for 2006. Also, since Boston has been waiving Manny, I bet they'd roll the dice and give Wood an extension.

 

Throw the Red Sox Dopriak and perhaps another prospect. The Cubs would owe Manny $38 in 2007 and 2008. Not bad considering his production. Also, w/ the Cubs brininging in fans by the millions, they'll most likely be raising revenue, so there shouldn't be a budget problem.

 

 

If the Red Sox wanted a injury prone pitcher that's never won 15 games, why not just take A.J. Burnett - at least he's healthy now. Kerry Wood is damaged goods that no team would touch, let alone give an extension to.

[WindyCity]

While he's no gold glover, Manny's defensive woes are a bit exaggerated. He actually has a fairly strong and accurate arm in LF.

 

Any guess who currently leads all outfielders in baseball in assists?

[Flames24Rulz]

Manny does misplay a lotta balls out in LF, but like Vance said...a heart of the order with Lee, Ramirez and Aramis would be amazing. GET HIM!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I wonder why "ManRam" never caught on as a nickname for him. :-k