Burnett rumors (to O's, to Sox's, etc.)

[WindyCity]

Red not White that is. :D

 

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Marlins righthander A.J. Burnett will be traded to the Red Sox within a week, an MLB official said yesterday. Boston plans to sign Burnett to an extension.

 

Maybe a framework for a deal is done and they are negotiating an extension? Maybe not?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

...and Theo Epstein sent out an email saying the Burnett trade rumors were false.

 

 

 

The fans won't know trades until they are made. I hate waiting, lol.

[jiml60]

Red not White that is. :D

 

Whew! You scared me there.

[HoopsCubs]

Red not White that is. :D

 

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Marlins righthander A.J. Burnett will be traded to the Red Sox within a week, an MLB official said yesterday. Boston plans to sign Burnett to an extension.

 

Maybe a framework for a deal is done and they are negotiating an extension? Maybe not?

 

I heard the Marlins are being very smart about this in their dealings with Boston, Baltimore, Texas and LA Dodgers - "if you want Burnett, fine, you can have him just as long as you take Mike Lowell and his contract too."

[HoopsCubs]

Red not White that is. :D

 

Link

 

Marlins righthander A.J. Burnett will be traded to the Red Sox within a week, an MLB official said yesterday. Boston plans to sign Burnett to an extension.

 

Maybe a framework for a deal is done and they are negotiating an extension? Maybe not?

 

I read the Marlins are being very smart about this in their dealings with Boston, Baltimore, Whote Sox, Blue Jays, Texas and LA Dodgers - "if you want Burnett, fine, you can have him just as long as you take Mike Lowell and his contract too."

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-marnot17jul17,0,6179972.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines

[Roast]

Red not White that is. :D

 

Link

 

Marlins righthander A.J. Burnett will be traded to the Red Sox within a week, an MLB official said yesterday. Boston plans to sign Burnett to an extension.

 

Maybe a framework for a deal is done and they are negotiating an extension? Maybe not?

 

I read the Marlins are being very smart about this in their dealings with Boston, Baltimore, Whote Sox, Blue Jays, Texas and LA Dodgers - "if you want Burnett, fine, you can have him just as long as you take Mike Lowell and his contract too."

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-marnot17jul17,0,6179972.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines

 

Ouch!

 

Do you think boston would be willing to do that?

[HoopsCubs]

Red not White that is. :D

 

Link

 

Marlins righthander A.J. Burnett will be traded to the Red Sox within a week, an MLB official said yesterday. Boston plans to sign Burnett to an extension.

 

Maybe a framework for a deal is done and they are negotiating an extension? Maybe not?

 

I read the Marlins are being very smart about this in their dealings with Boston, Baltimore, Whote Sox, Blue Jays, Texas and LA Dodgers - "if you want Burnett, fine, you can have him just as long as you take Mike Lowell and his contract too."

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-marnot17jul17,0,6179972.story?coll=sfla-sports-headlines

 

Ouch!

 

Do you think boston would be willing to do that?

 

Their angle might be: pick up some of Lowell's cash and flip him to a 3rd team for a prospect - Dodgers have always wanted Lowell.

[Mark Priors Calves]

The White Sox need a thirdbasemen. I won't argue that Lowell is much better than Crede. But Crede's back has been acting up the last two weeks and Lowell has been show to produce much more than Crede ever has.

[Roast]

Dodgers have always wanted Lowell.

 

Really? even now?

 

I mean, I remember right before we got Aram, some of us were excited about possibly getting mike lowell. But I would think that his stock is somewhere around that of a new baseball bat right now.

 

I just hoped over to the dodgers website. It looks like they are sharing the time at the hot corner between four guys, none of which are hitting below .285. Do they think he is a change of scenery case?

[HoopsCubs]

Dodgers have always wanted Lowell.

 

Really? even now?

 

I mean, I remember right before we got Aram, some of us were excited about possibly getting mike lowell. But I would think that his stock is somewhere around that of a new baseball bat right now.

 

I just hoped over to the dodgers website. It looks like they are sharing the time at the hot corner between four guys, none of which are hitting below .285. Do they think he is a change of scenery case?

 

He has too much talent to be this bad. He will never be the premier 3rd baseman in the NL, but he can be good enough to be top 5 or 6.

 

 

Hoops

[mhuber92211]

if all it takes for Burnett & Lowell is Penn, Julio and Bigbie then something is seriously wrong. Do we overvalue our prospects that much to where a package we could offer couldn't beat that?

[NorthsideAvenger]

Dodgers have always wanted Lowell.

 

Really? even now?

 

I mean, I remember right before we got Aram, some of us were excited about possibly getting mike lowell. But I would think that his stock is somewhere around that of a new baseball bat right now.

 

I just hoped over to the dodgers website. It looks like they are sharing the time at the hot corner between four guys, none of which are hitting below .285. Do they think he is a change of scenery case?

 

He has too much talent to be this bad. He will never be the premier 3rd baseman in the NL, but he can be good enough to be top 5 or 6.

 

 

Hoops

 

Lowell in Boston? Man if Mike can't rebound in Boston with the green monster, then there is something wrong with him.

[Diffusion]

if all it takes for Burnett & Lowell is Penn, Julio and Bigbie then something is seriously wrong. Do we overvalue our prospects that much to where a package we could offer couldn't beat that?

 

One of the issues here is that you're overrating Burnett. Not talent wise, talent wise I think he's still underrated, he's a legitimate low-3.00s ERA pitcher. But Burnett is a free agent at the end of the year, so you're talking about a 2-3 month rental. So the Marlins will only be able to command cents on the dollar for Burnett.

 

All that said, Penn, Bigbie and Julio, that's roughly equivalent to Marshall, Dubois and Hawkins really. Marlins are getting fleeced.

 

The decisive factor in the fleecing though is Lowell, not Burnett. I really have no idea why the Marlins are trying to shift Lowell so desperately. Yes, he's expensive, yes he's underperforming, but they'd be much better off waiting until his value isn't at rock bottom. He's a good 3B. They're selling him as though he's Mo Vaughn, as though getting rid of him is a plus for them. That's rubbish.

 

C Lopez

1B Lowell, 2B Roberts, SS Tejada, 3B Mora

LF Surhoff, CF Matos, RF Sosa

DH Palmeiro

 

That'd be a nice lineup. And Burnett in the rotation. And they keep Daniel Cabrera. Good trade for the O's. And if they can re-sign Burnett at the end of the year, great trade for the O's.

[katway]

if all it takes for Burnett & Lowell is Penn, Julio and Bigbie then something is seriously wrong. Do we overvalue our prospects that much to where a package we could offer couldn't beat that?

 

It's a 2 to 3 month rental with a bad health record. So, no one wants to overpay. Also, the Marlins aren't holding all the cards here since Burnett is leaving after the season so the other teams know the Marlins can either take something through a trade or get nothing for Burnett when he leaves. Nevertheless, the Marlins are trying to tie Lowell into any trade for Burnett. Since they are a shoe string budget team, getting rid of Lowell to make room for Cabrera at third also helps them from a fiscal standpoint, which may be more important to them than the prospects they acquire in return for Burnett.

[shnsajax]

Would make for an even more interesting AL East race.

 

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/baseball/bal-sp.osnotes18jul18,1,7558805.story?coll=bal-sports-baseball&ctrack=1&cset=true

[RynoRules]

Where would Mora play? 1B? Or Lowell at 1B?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Where would Mora play? 1B? Or Lowell at 1B?

 

I was thinking the same thing. Would Mora go back to LF?

[rawaction]

I think that would put Mora in LF or CF, depending on who wins the battle between Matos and Surhoff. They have a dude named Palmeiro at 1B.

 

That would be a great trade for the O's, even if Burnett isn't re-signed.

[neely crenshaw]

msybe, just maybe sammy finds a seat on the bench. he certainly is the poorest performer in the starting lineup!

[craig]

All that said, Penn, Bigbie and Julio, that's roughly equivalent to Marshall, Dubois and Hawkins really. Marlins are getting fleeced.

 

I wonder if we don't tend to overrate our own guys and underrate those of other teams? Julio is having a reasonable year (WHIP of 1.20, and excellent K/BB), is young, and has a big arm. Marlins need a strong reliever. Equating Julio with Hawkins is silly, IMO. Penn is 20 years old,, and scouts with a much bigger arm than Marshall, IMO. Bigbie is pretty worthless, but he's athletic unlike Dubois. If Florida considered the analogy to be Dempster, Hill, and Murton, would that look so trivial?

[jjgman21]

msybe, just maybe sammy finds a seat on the bench. he certainly is the poorest performer in the starting lineup!

 

believe me, I'm no Sammy defender, but if Lowell was inserted into the O's lineup, he would be the poorest performer.

[katway]

msybe, just maybe sammy finds a seat on the bench. he certainly is the poorest performer in the starting lineup!

 

I agree that Lowell would do better in Camden Yards with the O's lineup than in the huge Pro Player stadium. His average would surely rise since he still consistently makes contact and has only struck out 38 times this year. His power is down, but would likely go up in the O's lineup and Camden Yards.

[FloridaCubbie]

So if the marins moved lowell, I assume Cabrera goes back to 3B. Do they then use Bigbie as a bench bat and bring up Hermida for LF?

 

That could be an interesting line up.

[rawaction]

All that said, Penn, Bigbie and Julio, that's roughly equivalent to Marshall, Dubois and Hawkins really. Marlins are getting fleeced.

 

I wonder if we don't tend to overrate our own guys and underrate those of other teams? Julio is having a reasonable year (WHIP of 1.20, and excellent K/BB), is young, and has a big arm. Marlins need a strong reliever. Equating Julio with Hawkins is silly, IMO. Penn is 20 years old,, and scouts with a much bigger arm than Marshall, IMO. Bigbie is pretty worthless, but he's athletic unlike Dubois. If Florida considered the analogy to be Dempster, Hill, and Murton, would that look so trivial?

 

Good points all around. However, I believe Marshall is a better prospect than Hill at this point, simply based on age, experience, and control. I wouldn't do that trade, mainly because Lowell would have no position and Burnett would be a rental.

[rawaction]

So if the marins moved lowell, I assume Cabrera goes back to 3B. Do they then use Bigbie as a bench bat and bring up Hermida for LF?

 

That could be an interesting line up.

 

Yeah, that would be pretty interesting. I think they could do this deal, add a ML ready starting pitcher (maybe by trading Mota?) and still compete for the Wild Card.