Nomar looking to stay next season

[Mark Priors Calves]

Someone will insight into contract specifics probably could address this question directly. What's the magic number for Walker's PA for that option year to kick in for 2006? It might be a moot point about turning Garciaparra into a 2B if Walker/Hairston are still on the squad.

[fearthecubs]

Whats Wrong with 2 years 16M or something? (6/10)

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Someone will insight into contract specifics probably could address this question directly. What's the magic number for Walker's PA for that option year to kick in for 2006? It might be a moot point about turning Garciaparra into a 2B if Walker/Hairston are still on the squad.

 

The specific number of PA is unrevealed in Walker's contract. That seems pretty standard for MLB deals.

 

edit: the only number i've seen is 525, from northsidebaseball.com, lol.

 

http://www.northsidebaseball.com/Contracts/ViewContracts.php

 

i have no idea where that came from as it wasn't released with the details of his contract.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Someone will insight into contract specifics probably could address this question directly. What's the magic number for Walker's PA for that option year to kick in for 2006? It might be a moot point about turning Garciaparra into a 2B if Walker/Hairston are still on the squad.

 

The specific number of PA is unrevealed in Walker's contract. That seems pretty standard for MLB deals.

 

I'm pretty sure the number is 525. Regardless, with his injury and splitting time earlier with Hairston, he's unlikely to vest it. Even then it's likely a moot point since the Cubs are likely to pick up the option.

[goonys evil twin]

Whats Wrong with 2 years 16M or something? (6/10)

 

Are you asking why not give Nomar a 2/16 deal?

 

The answer is fairly obvious. The chances of him making it through that 2 years healthy are pretty slight.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Someone will insight into contract specifics probably could address this question directly. What's the magic number for Walker's PA for that option year to kick in for 2006? It might be a moot point about turning Garciaparra into a 2B if Walker/Hairston are still on the squad.

 

The specific number of PA is unrevealed in Walker's contract. That seems pretty standard for MLB deals.

 

I'm pretty sure the number is 525. Regardless, with his injury and splitting time earlier with Hairston, he's unlikely to vest it. Even then it's likely a moot point since the Cubs are likely to pick up the option.

 

I don't think Walker is likely to make it. He was quoted as saying that he wasn't focusing on the money (from the option kicking in) and that if he wanted to stay in Chicago and Chicago still wanted him, he'd be here to serve in some capacity, regardless of the PA activated option.

[USSoccer]

Whats Wrong with 2 years 16M or something? (6/10)

 

Nomar hasn't played a complete year since 2002. He's missed half the last 2 years.

 

Paying him more than $3m plus incentives for more than 1 year is too risky.

[craig]

Someone will insight into contract specifics probably could address this question directly. What's the magic number for Walker's PA for that option year to kick in for 2006? It might be a moot point about turning Garciaparra into a 2B if Walker/Hairston are still on the squad.

 

According to newspaper reports, 525 PA asnd 575 are two cutoffs.

 

The scenarios:

1. <525 PA. Walker has no option, Cubs do. 2006 contract is a bargain at $2.5.

2. >525 PA. Cubs lose their option, but now Walker has one.

3. >575 PA. If he doesn't opt out, the 2006 contract increased to $2.75.

 

No way the Cubs will want to drop Walker, and he'll want back also. So whichever side of that threshold he reaches, I fully expect he'll be back.

 

The key, though, is the money. Walker's defense has been more acceptable than I expected, and his hitting has been excellent. If he reaches 525 AB, he'd be crazy to take only $2.5 for next year.

 

He'll certainly opt-out, and the Cubs will need to bargain with him and pay him more (perhaps a lot, lot more) than $2.5 for next year. I could well imagine that the difference between Walker ending with 524 PA and 526 PA could cost the Cubs a couple of million for next year.

 

I think he's got a shot to make it. I don't know his exact PA, but he's got 172 AB and BB. Probably a handful of sacrifices and HBP, maybe he's at 180 or so? That would leave him about 345 PA short of option. There are 75 games left. 345PA/75 games = 4.6 PA per game. As a top-of-the-order guy, I think that's within reach.

 

He probably can't afford to miss too many games, though.

[CubfaninCA]

Give him $500k plus incentives. He hasn't earned a penny this year and should accept such a deal as payback.

[rawaction]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

[erik316wttn]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

 

I'd say $4 million base with incentives for reaching certain PA milestones. Perhaps $1 million per every 100? That would mean if he's healthy for a whole year, he gets paid $10 million. That isn't too bad for a player like Nomar (when healthy).

[goonys evil twin]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

 

I can live with that scenario. However, OF needs to be addressed regardless of what happens with SS. Holly/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz was blatant negligence going into this season. They have to find an impact bat out there, somewhere, even if they do bring Nomar back.

[rawaction]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

 

I can live with that scenario. However, OF needs to be addressed regardless of what happens with SS. Holly/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz was blatant negligence going into this season. They have to find an impact bat out there, somewhere, even if they do bring Nomar back.

 

Sorry. I actually meant upgrade OF MORE. Maybe go out and get a couple corner OFs instead of just 1 and go with Cedeno at SS.

[erik316wttn]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

 

I can live with that scenario. However, OF needs to be addressed regardless of what happens with SS. Holly/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz was blatant negligence going into this season. They have to find an impact bat out there, somewhere, even if they do bring Nomar back.

 

Sorry. I actually meant upgrade OF MORE. Maybe go out and get a couple corner OFs instead of just 1 and go with Cedeno at SS.

 

We should have some wiggle room with Sammy's contract off the books for next year.

[HoopsCubs]

I can live with that scenario. However, OF needs to be addressed regardless of what happens with SS. Holly/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz was blatant negligence going into this season. They have to find an impact bat out there, somewhere, even if they do bring Nomar back.

 

There are currently 24 regular OFs in the majors that have an OPS of .850 or above (none are Cubs, of course).

 

- There are 3 known free agents at the end of 2005: Reggie Sanders, Brian Giles and Johnny Damon. And a fourth, Hideki Matsui, is not under contract beyond 2005, but I forget if he's considered a free agent, or if he's arbitration eligible.

 

- There are 4 players, who have deals that their teams would arguably love to dump if they could under the right circumstance: Manny Ramirez, Ken Griffey, Jr., Andruw Jones and Pat Burrell.

 

- There are 8 players, whose teams I think would trade them if the right deal came along: David Dellucci, Adam Dunn, Gary Sheffield, Moises Alou, Cliff Floyd, Trot Nixon, Jermaine Dye and Carlos Lee.

 

- There are 8 players, who I see as being "untouchable" because of what they mean to the franchise, and/or because they are still fairly cheap: Vladimir Guerrero, Miguel Cabrera, Bobby Abreu, Jim Edmonds, JD Drew, Jason Bay, Kevin Mench and Jose Guillen.

 

 

Feedback?

[rawaction]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

 

I can live with that scenario. However, OF needs to be addressed regardless of what happens with SS. Holly/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz was blatant negligence going into this season. They have to find an impact bat out there, somewhere, even if they do bring Nomar back.

 

Sorry. I actually meant upgrade OF MORE. Maybe go out and get a couple corner OFs instead of just 1 and go with Cedeno at SS.

 

We should have some wiggle room with Sammy's contract off the books for next year.

 

Forgot about that. But raises will go to Wood, Maddux, Prior, Z, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, and possibly Patterson next year to basically wipe out that amount. The Cubs do have the potential to go league minimum at SS, CF, or LF next year.

[JeffH]

No raise for Maddux next year.

 

A raise for Prior depends on whether he's eligible to opt out of his contract and go to arbitration or if that was a one-time opportunity that he missed out on last year.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

No raise for Maddux next year.

 

A raise for Prior depends on whether he's eligible to opt out of his contract and go to arbitration or if that was a one-time opportunity that he missed out on last year.

 

I'm pretty sure that it was only for last offseason, but not 100% positive.

[Wheelimus]

Well, hopefully the franchise saved some of Nomars salary this year with insurance...

 

Thing is, when healthy (and that's been the big if for the past two seasons) Nomar is godly. I'd hate to see him go somewhere else and rebuild his career, because on a team that is OBP horrid, the guy has a career .368 OBP.

 

If he's willing to take a low dollar contract ($4 million?) with incentives to get him to what he's worth if he's healthy, I go for it. But Ronny needs to be the backup next year and he needs to get a lot of playing time, because you never know...

[1908]

Hideki Matsui, is not under contract beyond 2005, but I forget if he's considered a free agent, or if he's arbitration eligible.

He has a clause in his contract that makes him a free agent after this season.

[katway]

Hideki Matsui, is not under contract beyond 2005, but I forget if he's considered a free agent, or if he's arbitration eligible.

He has a clause in his contract that makes him a free agent after this season.

 

Yanks will do their best to keep him. He is a solid player that brings in many times the $ that it cost them to sign him since they sealed a Japanese cable contract after signing Matsui.

[erik316wttn]

I've said all year that I want Nomar back for about $4M plus incentives. I don't want Furcal anymore. Best case scenario, you have one of the game's best SS's and another huge bat in the lineup. Worst case scenario, he gets hurt again. But you don't waste as much money as you would with Furcal. You get Cedeno some valuable playing time.

 

If someone offers Nomar a long-term deal, let him have it and go with Cedeno at SS and upgrade OF.

 

I can live with that scenario. However, OF needs to be addressed regardless of what happens with SS. Holly/Dubois, Patterson, Burnitz was blatant negligence going into this season. They have to find an impact bat out there, somewhere, even if they do bring Nomar back.

 

Sorry. I actually meant upgrade OF MORE. Maybe go out and get a couple corner OFs instead of just 1 and go with Cedeno at SS.

 

We should have some wiggle room with Sammy's contract off the books for next year.

 

Forgot about that. But raises will go to Wood, Maddux, Prior, Z, Lee, Ramirez, Barrett, and possibly Patterson next year to basically wipe out that amount. The Cubs do have the potential to go league minimum at SS, CF, or LF next year.

 

How much of a raise is Lee getting?

 

And we can have Murton in left, and Cedeno somewhere (hopefully on the bench, not that I don't like him, but I want to hang on to Nomar and Walker).

 

Will Remmy be off the books? There's another 4 million right there.

Edited July 15, 2005 by erik316wttn

[Transmogrified Tiger]

How much of a raise is Lee getting?

 

One million. He makes 7.67 mil this year, 8.67 next year.

[erik316wttn]

How much of a raise is Lee getting?

 

One million. He makes 7.67 mil this year, 8.67 next year.

 

Well, then we have 3 million so far (just that I can think of. I know there's more) that we can play with from Remmy's contract.

 

And Lee is worth every penny. Haha.

[Bench Coach]

I hope this is true.