Patterson v. Pie

[MikeLBear8]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

[katway]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

 

More important to me is where Pie is mentally. Corey, in spite of his age, never has matured mentally as a player that can adjust his game. Reports are that Pie has a superb work ethic and listens to his coaches. In this respect, I think he fairs better than Corey.

 

Another important thing to note looking at their numbers is their physical stature. Corey stands 5'9" and shouldn't be trying to hit the long ball every at bat. Pie, on the other hand, stands 6'2" and should swing for the fences more often at the major league level.

 

Some may question whether Corey was rushed... I question whether Corey was ever going to be ready. He just doesn't have the attitude to excel to the next level.

[CubfaninCA]

Andy Gammons must have got that from his Red Sox source. No way Pie would be up.

[Outshined_One]

Didn't one of the Chicago Cubs columnists float the idea that Pie would be called up to lead off a couple of weeks ago during his hot streak?

[burnt out cubbie fan]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

That isn't true. Gammons either got bad info or was just making a false assumption. First of all, I have read quotes from Von Joshua (West Tenn hitting coach) that said that Pie still has a lot to work on and that right now he could play in the majors but that rushing him would stunt his growth. Secondly, the Cubs have taken their time with Felix. They aren't going to change that now. I am pretty sure that the earliest he is going to be up is next year and I wouldn't expect him up before mid-season.

 

This is a link to the quote: http://www.baseballamerica.com/online/minors/050627aa.html

 

It is under Southern Accents. You need a BA premium acocunt to view it. There is also an article on Murton there.

Edited July 7, 2005 by burnt out cubbie fan

[TXCubsFan]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

That isn't true. Gammons either got bad info or was just making a false assumption. First of all, I have read quotes from Von Joshua (West Tenn hitting coach) that said that Pie still has a lot to work on and that right now he could play in the majors but that rushing him would stunt his growth. Secondly, the Cubs have taken their time with Felix. They aren't going to change that now. The earliest he is going to be up is next year and I wouldn't expect him up before mid-season.

 

Good enough reason to trade for Kotsay. :wink:

[dalgreen]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

That isn't true. Gammons either got bad info or was just making a false assumption. First of all, I have read quotes from Von Joshua (West Tenn hitting coach) that said that Pie still has a lot to work on and that right now he could play in the majors but that rushing him would stunt his growth. Secondly, the Cubs have taken their time with Felix. They aren't going to change that now. The earliest he is going to be up is next year and I wouldn't expect him up before mid-season.

 

Glad to hear it!!! I do not want to see Felix Pie in Chicago Cubs pinstripes until September 2006 at the earliest. What is the freakin' rush? I think Corey is failing Corey right now and I think the Cub organization has failed Corey. He shouldn't have been rushed through the system, he shouldn't have been yo-yo'ed, and he shouldn't have been told he's to be a power hitter then be told he's not then told he is.....

[imb]

Another important thing to note looking at their numbers is their physical stature. Corey stands 5'9" and shouldn't be trying to hit the long ball every at bat. Pie, on the other hand, stands 6'2" and should swing for the fences more often at the major league level.

 

I agree with the majority of your post, except this part. Don't pigeon-hole a hitter because of his height. This isnt basketball. Hitting for power doesnt have much to do with how tall you are.

[NCCubFan]

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Judge me by my size, do you?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Reports are that Pie has a superb work ethic and listens to his coaches. In this respect, I think he fairs better than Corey.

 

Not necessarily.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Pie would be the next Patterson IMO. By that I mean he's our top prospect who will be rushed to the Major leagues if they did this. He still needs to work on his plate discipline and he still needs to work on base running.

 

He's getting better, but I'd like Pie to have at least a full season of AAA ball before he sees life as a Cub. And that means 2007 at the earliest for me.

 

Better safe than sorry I guess. Its not like he'll be 25 or something next year anyway, the guy will be 21.

[CubsWin]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

That isn't true. Gammons either got bad info or was just making a false assumption. First of all, I have read quotes from Von Joshua (West Tenn hitting coach) that said that Pie still has a lot to work on and that right now he could play in the majors but that rushing him would stunt his growth. Secondly, the Cubs have taken their time with Felix. They aren't going to change that now. The earliest he is going to be up is next year and I wouldn't expect him up before mid-season.

 

Good enough reason to trade for Kotsay. :wink:

TXCubsFan, I respect your opinion so could you (or anyone else who care to chime in for that matter) tell me why you think Kotsay would be the best man to acquire. He's not great at getting on base. He is not great at stealing bases. He is a good CF and is hitting better than Corey is now, but aren't there better OFers available in a trade than Mark Kotsay?

[E.J.]

Reports are that Pie has a superb work ethic and listens to his coaches. In this respect, I think he fairs better than Corey.

 

Not necessarily.

 

Will you switch your avatar? It's hard to take you seriously with that. :D

[brinoch]

Reports are that Pie has a superb work ethic and listens to his coaches. In this respect, I think he fairs better than Corey.

 

Not necessarily.

 

Will you switch your avatar? It's hard to take you seriously with that. :D

 

WHY? WHO'S DISRESPECTIN' WHO?

[imb]

IN YO OPINION

[gflore34]

After hearing today that Peter Gammons said the Cubs would have already called up Pie had he not gotten hurt I thought about how it's been well stated that the Cubs called Patterson up too early which stunted his growth as a player. I'm not sure how Gammons heared about this if at all, but I think the Cubs will be careful with Pie because he's still only 20 years old. So my question would be, can anyone supply Pie's minor league stats compared to Corey's? I'd be interested to see the comparisons, especially their number of games played.

That isn't true. Gammons either got bad info or was just making a false assumption. First of all, I have read quotes from Von Joshua (West Tenn hitting coach) that said that Pie still has a lot to work on and that right now he could play in the majors but that rushing him would stunt his growth. Secondly, the Cubs have taken their time with Felix. They aren't going to change that now. The earliest he is going to be up is next year and I wouldn't expect him up before mid-season.

 

Good enough reason to trade for Kotsay. :wink:

TXCubsFan, I respect your opinion so could you (or anyone else who care to chime in for that matter) tell me why you think Kotsay would be the best man to acquire. He's not great at getting on base. He is not great at stealing bases. He is a good CF and is hitting better than Corey is now, but aren't there better OFers available in a trade than Mark Kotsay?

 

When you consider what he does and can do relative to Patterson, it's a tremendous upgrade, thus far, after 80 AB, he's drawn 29 BB along with .343, admittedly, nothing spectacular, yet solid. Solid play alone, which Patterson is incapable of at this point, would be gigantic plus for the Cubs.