Cubs Pre-Offseason Mega Thread

[squally1313]

1 hour ago, Rcal10 said:

But what is Ohtani against the LT? He for $700M/10 years. He isn’t $70M against the LT. I seem to remember he was being counted at around $46M. Am I wrong about this? If not, deferrals can matter.

 

57 minutes ago, mul21 said:

That's just not accurate.  They use the current day value of those dollars to do the LT calculation, which is why Ohtani counts for like $38 million against the cap instead of the annual average of $70 million the contract comes out to before factoring in deferrals.

It's accurate in that everyone understands it's the present value of the contract. The Dodgers have to put the amount of money into an escrow account that, with some sort of standard interest rate, will mature into the $70m they owe him yearly. They could have paid Shohei $46m up front and he could have done the same thing. They aren't like, tricking the players or anything. If I offer you $50 now or $70 10 years from now, you should take $50 now. 

Now, you could argue the Dodgers, as part of the larger Guggenheim shenanigans, are uniquely (and/or unfairly) able to outgain the standard interest rate, and so keeping the money on hand and invested in whatever is advantageous to them. But it wasn;t like Shohei was considering a $50m/year offer with no deferrals and then was like 'oh, $70m is bigger than $50m'

[Rcal10]

Would Shaw or Ramirez get the Cubs someone from the Guardians rotation? Bibee or Cantillo? They have Espino to fill in the rotation. Or would either of those Cubs get get them someone from the Mariners? Hancock, maybe. They have a top prospect coming up? If the Cubs could get a cheaper pitcher that would allow them to be more aggressive with additional pitchers and/or a bat or two. 

[Backtobanks]

3 hours ago, Rcal10 said:

Would Shaw or Ramirez get the Cubs someone from the Guardians rotation? Bibee or Cantillo? They have Espino to fill in the rotation. Or would either of those Cubs get get them someone from the Mariners? Hancock, maybe. They have a top prospect coming up? If the Cubs could get a cheaper pitcher that would allow them to be more aggressive with additional pitchers and/or a bat or two. 

Shaw plus Alcantara plus a pitching prospect might get one of those pitchers you named.

[Rcal10]

53 minutes ago, Backtobanks said:

Shaw plus Alcantara plus a pitching prospect might get one of those pitchers you named.

No offense btb, but you tend to have negative views on any Cub, so while you very well could be right, I don’t take your view as an actual truth. Again, maybe one of those pitchers cost that much, but maybe Shaw or Ramirez has more value than you give them credit for. 

[Backtobanks]

39 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

No offense btb, but you tend to have negative views on any Cub, so while you very well could be right, I don’t take your view as an actual truth. Again, maybe one of those pitchers cost that much, but maybe Shaw or Ramirez has more value than you give them credit for. 

All of those starting pitchers are young and have years of control, which means high cost.  Shaw and Ramirez are utility IFs who might be starters on a team in need of an IF.