Help Dusty out: Create your own lineup!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The triple threat of Lee, A-Ram and Burnitz is yet to be broken up. That's just the way it should go, I guess. Something Dusty actually got right. Mix and match A-Ram and Burnitz and all is well.

 

He'll keep hitting Burnitz cleanup from time to time, and that is a no-no in my book.

 

Not that I'm in favor of putting Burnitz cleanup...but him being in the 4 spot isn't even near the top of the list of why the Cubs are underperforming.

 

Oh, I agree. Amongst the Cubs offensive problems, Burnitz batting cleanup is not the biggest one, but I still don't like it (I guess that means I agree with you).

[burnt out cubbie fan]

VS Lefties:

 

1. Hairston - CF

2. Walker - 2B

3. Lee - 1B

4. Ramirez - 3B

5. Burnitz - RF

6. Barrett - C

7. Dubois/Holla - LF

8. Cedeno - SS

9. Pitcher

 

VS Righties:

 

1. Hairston - LF

2. Walker - 2B

3. Lee - 1B

4. Ramirez - 3B

5. Burnitz - RF

6. Barrett - C

7. Cedeno - SS

8. Patterson - CF

9. Pitcher

You realize that Corey hits better against lefties than righties, right?

[don_kessinger_was_good]

You realize that Corey hits better against lefties than righties, right?

 

Does that mean he hits his pop-ups to shallow left instead of on the infield? Or does he strike out looking against lefties vs. swinging against righties?

[Laura]

You realize that Corey hits better against lefties than righties, right?

 

Not so far this season.

 

VS          AB    H   K   BB   AVG    OBP   SLG   OPS
lefties     68   13   20   3   .191  .225  .309  .534
righties   233   59   58  13   .253  .293  .416  .709

[UMFan83]

You realize that Corey hits better against lefties than righties, right?

 

Not so far this season.

 

VS          AB    H   K   BB   AVG    OBP   SLG   OPS
lefties     68   13   20   3   .191  .225  .309  .534
righties   233   59   58  13   .253  .293  .416  .709

 

Sad that seeing him hit .253 at something seems awesome

[burnt out cubbie fan]

You realize that Corey hits better against lefties than righties, right?

 

Not so far this season.

 

VS          AB    H   K   BB   AVG    OBP   SLG   OPS
lefties     68   13   20   3   .191  .225  .309  .534
righties   233   59   58  13   .253  .293  .416  .709

He did last year.

vs          AVG   OBP    SLG    OPS
lefties    .289  .328   .491   .819
righties   .258  .317   .437   .754

[UMFan83]

Last year he seemed to have a clue at the plate :(

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Last year he seemed to have a clue at the plate :(

He has looked better the last week or so. He hasn't gotten the greatest results but he is working the count a lot better (3 out of his 4 at bats went to full counts today and he got screwed on the one call) and he is laying off some pitches that he was swinging at in the past. He still has a way to go but he is starting to show some signs of life.

[Laura]

You realize that Corey hits better against lefties than righties, right?

 

Not so far this season.

 

VS          AB    H   K   BB   AVG    OBP   SLG   OPS
lefties     68   13   20   3   .191  .225  .309  .534
righties   233   59   58  13   .253  .293  .416  .709

He did last year.

vs          AVG   OBP    SLG    OPS
lefties    .289  .328   .491   .819
righties   .258  .317   .437   .754

 

He didn't hit better against lefties in 2002 and 2003, and thus far in 2005.

 

I did enjoy telling people last year that he hit better vs lefties. Wish that could have lasted.

 

3-year splits

 

VS          AB    H    K    BB    AVG    OBP   SLG   OPS
lefties     412   104  108  13   .252   .284  .403   .687 
righties   1140   312  279  66   .274   .316  .455   .771 

[mhuber92211]

Back to the topic of lineups instead of Patterson:

 

Cedeno

Barrett

Lee

Burnitz

Ramirez

Patterson

Dubois

Walker

Pitcher

 

 

I would like Walker in the 8th spot to take pitches and work the inning in front of the pitcher something Barrett never does and something Cedeno can't be expected to do without seeing MLB pitching for an extended period of time.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Here's my vote for a starting lineup. You can subsitute Cedeno for Perez, and if neither one of them shows any signs of life, at least Macias is hitting 0.261 / 0.278 / 0.319 / 0.597.

 

04/04 - 07/02      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Hairston          180   27   48   12    1    2   68    9   17   24  0.267  0.356  0.378  0.734
Walker            125   15   39    9    2    2   58   13   11   12  0.312  0.365  0.464  0.829
Lee               298   66  115   26    2   24  217   67   39   56  0.386  0.460  0.728  1.188
Burnitz           298   46   82   18    2   13  143   44   27   54  0.275  0.332  0.480  0.812
Ramirez           281   45   84   20    0   17  155   50   25   39  0.299  0.358  0.552  0.910
Hollandsworth     185   16   50   12    2    4   78   26   14   34  0.270  0.323  0.422  0.745
Barrett           219   22   58   14    1    9  101   36   10   25  0.265  0.303  0.461  0.765
Perez             293   35   80   11    1    7  114   29    8   29  0.273  0.297  0.389  0.686

[Tracer Bullet]

My starting lineup:

 

Walker

Cedeno

Lee

Burnitz

ARam

Barrett

Hollandsworth

Patterson

PITCHER

[Omar]

Todd Walker - 2B (He takes pitches, works counts etc..)

Corey Patterson - CF

D. Lee - 1B

Aramis Ramirez - 3B

Jeromy Burnitz - RF

Hollandsworth - LF

Neifi Perez - SS

Michael Barrett - C

Pitcher..

 

Nomar will be back in less than a month I guess. I hope we can keep our offense togather until he does.

[YearofDaCubs]

Looks like everybody agrees that Corey and Perez should not be in the 1 and 2 hole. Just goes to show you how much of a clue Baker has.

[BigbadB]

Todd Walker - 2B (He takes pitches, works counts etc..)

Corey Patterson - CF

D. Lee - 1B

Aramis Ramirez - 3B

Jeromy Burnitz - RF

Hollandsworth - LF

Neifi Perez - SS

Michael Barrett - C

Pitcher..

 

Nomar will be back in less than a month I guess. I hope we can keep our offense togather until he does.

 

You ruined it. We almost made it through two pages of posts without seeing Patterson or Perez anywhere near the top of the order. I think it's salvageable though. Let's all print off this particular thread and mail it to Dusty. At this point, I don't care if he did this line up:

 

Lee

Burnitz

Ramirez

Walker

Hairston

Barrett

Patterson

Cedeno

 

It would still be better than starting a line up card with the names Patterson and/or Neifi.

[Halman]

LF Hairston Jr. R

2B T. Walker L

1b Lee R

RF Burnitz L

3B Ramirez R

C Barrett R

SS Cedeno R

CF Patterson L

[anemic offense]

1. Hairston CF

2. Walka

3. Lee

4 ARamis (not hittng him behind Lee is the 2nd biggest lineup mistake Dusty's made all year)

5. Burnitz

6. Barrett (although he's been struggling of late he's no #8 hitter)

7. Holla

8. Cedeno

9. Pitcher

 

Cedeno would be a good fit at #2 as well. That kids going to be good. A 22 year old kid who can hit the ball the other way (like he advanced the runner the other day) is pretty impressive. And he still hasn't maxzimized his physical potential. With Neifi reverting back to career levels Hendry needs to override Baker and get this kid in there NOW.

 

BTW Patterson gets traded to to the DRays for a bag of baseballs. Number one at least they're useful and number 2 I figure it'd best served to send this eyesore to the team with the lowest atttendance. Enough people have suffered already.

[rabidawg900]

WOW! Look at the first post of this thread. My prediction came true about Corey Patterson. We may just see this lineup!

 

EDIT: w/o Dubois

Edited July 8, 2005 by rabidawg900

[TrueBlueCubFan]

v.s. righties

CF Hairston

LF Hollandsworth

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

C Barrett

2B Walker

SS Cedeno

 

v.s. lefties

CF Hairston

LF Murton

1B Lee

3B Ramirez

RF Burnitz

C Barrett

2B Walker

SS Cedeno

 

Bench:

Neifi,Macias,Greenberg,Blanco

Murton/Holla

[AcesHigh]

CF Hairston

2B Walker

1B Lee

RF Burnitz

3B Ramirez

LF Hollandsworth

C Barrett

SS Cedeno

[katway]

Let the kids play...

 

1. Greenberg -- CF (the kid has plate patience and decent speed)

2. Walker -- 2B

3. Lee -- 1B

4. Ramirez -- 3B

5. Murton -- LF

6. Burnitz -- RF

7. Cedeno -- SS

8. Barrett -- C

 

If Lee is still out, then put Hairston at 2B and Walker at 1B.

 

I think Hairston can play CF and lead off as well, but i'd like to see what Greenberg can do if given the chance. I hate platooning players with lefty/righty combos etc.

[jyoung55]

Why help Dusty? The only helping I would provide to Dusty at this point is calling the moving van to get him the * out of town.

[TheDude]

I would prefer to see Cedeno in there, but I think Dusty holds on to a shred of 'his guys':

 

While Lee is out:

1. Hairston 2B

2. Perez SS

3. Walker 1B

4. Ramirez 3B

5. Burnitz RF

6. Murton LF

7. Barrett C

8. Greenberg CF

 

When Lee returns, Greenberg gets sent back down or benched:

1. Hairston CF

2. Perez SS

3. Lee 1B

4. Ramirez 3B

5. Burnitz RF

6. Walker 2B

7. Murton LF

8. Barrett C

[soapy]

Considering last night's "shake-up", I go with this:

 

No Lee:

Hairston CF

Cedeno SS

Walker 2B

Ramirez 3B

Burnitz RF

Holla 1B

Barrett C

Murton LF

Pitcher

 

I hate to put Murton that far down in the order, but I'm not sure where else I want him. Plus, I don't really want him to feel pressure by being slotted into a top spot right off the bat. I put that lineup out there FOR THE ENTIRE MARLINS SERIES and see what happens.

 

With Lee:

Hairston CF

Walker 2B

Lee 1B

Ramirez 3B

Burnitz RF

Holla LF

Barrett C

Cedeno SS

Pitcher

 

As much as I'd like to get Murton in the lineup, I just don't think it's realistic that Hollandsworth will be benched right now. Whichever way it plays out, I hope for three things; 1. Do not play Macias in CF (or anywhere else); 2. Start Cedeno; 3. Stick with a lineup for a while to see if it can work (don't change it every freakin' game).

[sethuel1]

 

1. Greenberg -- CF (the kid has plate patience and decent speed)

2. Walker -- 2B

3. Lee -- 1B

4. Ramirez -- 3B

5. Murton -- LF

6. Burnitz -- RF

7. Cedeno -- SS

8. Barrett -- C

 

I like this lineup, with hairston rotating around between CF, LF and 2B