Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[halplm]

July 6th - puts out an insane lineup destined to get shut out...

 

N. Perez SS 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .269

J. Macias 2B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .264

T. Walker 1B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .288

A. Ramirez 3B 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .304

T. Hollandsworth LF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .283

J. Burnitz RF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .276

M. Barrett C 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .257

C. Patterson CF 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .232

M. Prior P 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 .222

 

....

 

That is actually unbelievable. Not "unbelievable" in the sense of shocked it could be that linup. It's just not believable a manager could put that linup out there for a major league game.

[Burtonbell]

I was excited to see tonights Prior Smoltz matchup, but instead I will let the woman pick out a movie...This has to be the worst lineup ever!

[Nobody youd want to know]

What the heck has Dubois done to Dusty? I haven't seen his name in the starting lineup in what seems like weeks. And when Dusty trotted Macias out to pinch-hit with the bases loaded yesterday, I nearly popped a blood vessel.

 

Is the Creature hurt? Or just in the doghouse?

[Roast]

Tuesday, July 5th 2005

 

Top of the 7th Inning

 

Braves 5

Cubs 1

 

Cubs are batting with the bases loaded and 1 out. The pitcher spot is up in the lineup and the first pinch hitter off the bench for the night...Jose Macias.

 

Result of the AB: Strike Out

 

Not to fear, that is only the 2nd out of the inning. Bases still loaded. Back to the top of the order...and batting leadoff,again,for the Cubs...Neifi Perez.

 

Result of the AB: Out

 

Result of the Game: Cubs Lose

 

Result of Season: Dusty Sucks

 

Dusty Baker said:

"I don't want to get into that. I said what I was going to do and that's what I'm doing."

 

I find it very frustrating, and infuriating, that despite all of the evidence to the contrary, Macias is a Cub, and Perez is still batting lead-off.

 

Apparently, Baker does not like Hairston. Regardless, you have to put your team in the best position to win, and he refuses to do that. Why? Because he is stubborn - plain and simple. I cannot think of any other logical explanation.

 

Lineup, IMO, should be:

 

Hairston

Walker

Lee

Ramirez

Burnitz

Barrett

Hollandsworth/Dubois

Perez

Pitcher

 

If Lee is sitting due to injury, both Dubois and Hollandsworth play, and you move everybody up one spot, and bat them six and seven.

 

This is a real simple thing to do that will put your team in a better position to succeed, but Baker won't do it.

 

Neifi shouldnt even play. Play Cedeno.

[sethuel1]

I was excited to see tonights Prior Smoltz matchup, but instead I will let the woman pick out a movie...This has to be the worst lineup ever!

 

Enjoy Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous.

 

Be sure to thank Dusty F. Baker when you're done.

[Burtonbell]

What the heck has Dubois done to Dusty? I haven't seen his name in the starting lineup in what seems like weeks. And when Dusty trotted Macias out to pinch-hit with the bases loaded yesterday, I nearly popped a blood vessel.

 

Is the Creature hurt? Or just in the doghouse?

 

 

Dude, Holly is in the groove man, we can't ruin a good thing. Besides, Holly has played more in Atlanta, Wrigley, Florida, Comisky, LA, Cincy, Houston, Pittsburgh, Milwaukee, New York, and San Diego so thats why he's starting tonight...

 

Logic>

[halplm]

Neifi shouldnt even play. Play Cedeno.

 

Well, that's crazy talk! Only someone with a Baseball IQ over say, 12 would come up with that idea!

[Burtonbell]

Enjoy Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous.

 

Be sure to thank Dusty F. Baker when you're done.

 

LOL, actually she wants to see 50 first dates. I want to see Dawn of the Dead, you guess who's winning this one! :wink:

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm shocked. I'm pretty sure Dusty is doing this on purpose to show us the fans who runs the show. Hendry has to fire this guy. He actually might've gone insane.

[Rusch33]

Enjoy Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous.

 

Be sure to thank Dusty F. Baker when you're done.

 

LOL, actually she wants to see 50 first dates. I want to see Dawn of the Dead, you guess who's winning this one! :wink:

 

 

50 first dates isn't too shabby. Sandler makes it atleast halfway worth watching.

[sethuel1]

Enjoy Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous.

 

Be sure to thank Dusty F. Baker when you're done.

 

LOL, actually she wants to see 50 first dates. I want to see Dawn of the Dead, you guess who's winning this one! :wink:

 

 

50 first dates isn't too shabby. Sandler makes it atleast halfway worth watching.

 

50 first dates made me physically ill. Or maybe it was the two pitchers of beer I had at the Vic while watching it.

[Mark Priors Calves]

This is freakin' unbelievable.

[tbird]

you guys are stat freaks, check the record who has the best stats as a pinch hitter and remember a right hander was pitching

[Laura]

you guys are stat freaks, check the record who has the best stats as a pinch hitter and remember a right hander was pitching

 

Welcome to the forums. Feel free to voice your opinions, but please remember that name-calling isn't welcome here. Thanks.

[rickrolled]

you guys are stat freaks, check the record who has the best stats as a pinch hitter and remember a right hander was pitching

 

Are you trying to defend Dusty's decision to put Macias in the 2 spot in the lineup or am I misunderstanding your post?

[XZero771679666304]

you guys are stat freaks, check the record who has the best stats as a pinch hitter and remember a right hander was pitching

 

Are you trying to defend Dusty's decision to put Macias in the 2 spot in the lineup or am I misunderstanding your post?

 

I think he actually was. You don't need to be a member of Mensa to know what total garbage that lineup is.

 

What Dusty is doing is unbelievable. Every day it's further down the rabbit hole.

[tbird]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

[Mark Priors Calves]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

[sethuel1]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

 

not to mention that one has power and one doesn't, or that one hits flyballs (which would score a runner) while the other is a groundball machine.

[CUBZ99]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

 

not to mention that one has power and one doesn't, or that one hits flyballs (which would score a runner) while the other is a groundball machine.

 

Or that one stikes out 3 times as much as the other. Give it up on Dubois already. He is not a better option than Macias as a PH in that situation. The guy hits .167 as a PH and has a huge problem making contact. Power is no good if you can't hit the ball.

[CUBZ99]

Just to put a disclaimer to my earlier statement. Starting Macias and batting him second is beyond ignorant.

[Mark Priors Calves]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

 

not to mention that one has power and one doesn't, or that one hits flyballs (which would score a runner) while the other is a groundball machine.

 

Or that one stikes out 3 times as much as the other. Give it up on Dubois already. He is not a better option than Macias as a PH in that situation. The guy hits .167 as a PH and has a huge problem making contact. Power is no good if you can't hit the ball.

 

Dubois has never proven himself as a pinch hitter because he's never been a pinch hitter before this season. Macias is a career utility player and he still can't pitch hit well. I'll take Dubois .667 OPS pinch hitting over Macias .591 anyday. And I'll take Dubois .783 season OPS over Macias .613.

 

I'll take my chances with Dubois in that situation last night even with his high strikeout rates and lowing pinch hitting batting average. There's no excuse to use Macias as the first pinch hitter off the bench.

[CUBZ99]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

 

not to mention that one has power and one doesn't, or that one hits flyballs (which would score a runner) while the other is a groundball machine.

 

Or that one stikes out 3 times as much as the other. Give it up on Dubois already. He is not a better option than Macias as a PH in that situation. The guy hits .167 as a PH and has a huge problem making contact. Power is no good if you can't hit the ball.

 

Dubois has never proven himself as a pinch hitter because he's never been a pinch hitter before this season. Macias is a career utility player and he still can't pitch hit well. I'll take Dubois .667 OPS pinch hitting over Macias .591 anyday. And I'll take Dubois .783 season OPS over Macias .613.

 

I'll take my chances with Dubois in that situation last night even with his high strikeout rates and lowing pinch hitting batting average. There's no excuse to use Macias as the first pinch hitter off the bench.

 

The Cubs needed contact in that situation. So Dusty could take player D who strikes out 1 out of every 3 times AB and was hitting .220 over the last 2 months or player M who stikes out 1 out of 10 times and was hitting .270+? Most people with common sense would take player M. For some reason Macias has drawn the ire of alot of posters on this board because they expect more out of a 25th man.

[sethuel1]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

 

not to mention that one has power and one doesn't, or that one hits flyballs (which would score a runner) while the other is a groundball machine.

 

Or that one stikes out 3 times as much as the other. Give it up on Dubois already. He is not a better option than Macias as a PH in that situation. The guy hits .167 as a PH and has a huge problem making contact. Power is no good if you can't hit the ball.

 

Considering the rate at which Macias hits grounders, I would absolutely prefer the guy that strikes out 3 times as much in that situation.

 

Plus, THE BASES WERE LOADED.

[Mark Priors Calves]

no i'm not referring to putting macias second in the line up, merely askimg the person who thinks dubois was a better choice as a pinch hitter against a right handed pitcher to check both players stats as a pinch hitter

 

I'm guessing this post is directed at me. Thanks, tbird, I went ahead and checked the stats for both Dubois and Macias as pinch hitters.

 

Dubois-OPS in 12 AB's is .667

Macias-OPS in 30 AB's is .591

 

Neither of them are any good but your argument that Dusty made the right decision is completely off base.

 

not to mention that one has power and one doesn't, or that one hits flyballs (which would score a runner) while the other is a groundball machine.

 

Or that one stikes out 3 times as much as the other. Give it up on Dubois already. He is not a better option than Macias as a PH in that situation. The guy hits .167 as a PH and has a huge problem making contact. Power is no good if you can't hit the ball.

 

Dubois has never proven himself as a pinch hitter because he's never been a pinch hitter before this season. Macias is a career utility player and he still can't pitch hit well. I'll take Dubois .667 OPS pinch hitting over Macias .591 anyday. And I'll take Dubois .783 season OPS over Macias .613.

 

I'll take my chances with Dubois in that situation last night even with his high strikeout rates and lowing pinch hitting batting average. There's no excuse to use Macias as the first pinch hitter off the bench.

 

The Cubs needed contact in that situation. So Dusty could take player D who strikes out 1 out of every 3 times AB and was hitting .220 over the last 2 months or player M who stikes out 1 out of 10 times and was hitting .270+? Most people with common sense would take player M. For some reason Macias has drawn the ire of alot of posters on this board because they expect more out of a 25th man.

 

I agree with you that Dubois has been striking out at an amazing rate this season but I'd still go with him in that spot, at least I'd take him over Macias. I have been very critical of Macias and will continue to be as long as he fails to perform. As you mentioned, I expect a lot more of out him because he is no longer/never was the 25th man according to Dusty Baker. To be the first guy off the bench in a huge spot to get back in the game, you no longer are considered the 25th man. A pinch hitter should be used in that spot that should be your best bat off your bench. Jose Macias is not the best bat off this horrible bench.