Dusty Bad Managerial Moves Thread

[CoolHandLuke]

I like to think that I've been pretty neutral on Baker over the past 12 months. But I have to say, him showing up at the ballpark lately has been a bad move.

 

You lasted longer than I could, Tim. And I thought I gave him the benefit of the doubt for too long. :wink:

 

Suckers. :tongue: 8)

 

you should probably add Jon Garland to your sig.

[JC]

 

you should probably add Jon Garland to your sig.

 

Uhg. Matt Karcher.

 

I say again. Uhg.

[SouthSideRyan]

I'll continue to argue til the day I die that Garland for Karchner turned out to be a good trade. Garland in the Cubs farm system means he's wasting a spot in our rotation right now, and Zambrano is not a part of the rotation in '03, quite possibly traded away by then. There's no room for Garland in our rotation or bullpen right now.

[WindyCity]

I'll continue to argue til the day I die that Garland for Karchner turned out to be a good trade. Garland in the Cubs farm system means he's wasting a spot in our rotation right now, and Zambrano is not a part of the rotation in '03, quite possibly traded away by then. There's no room for Garland in our rotation or bullpen right now.

 

That all may be true, but the Cubs should have been able to get a lot more than Matt friggin' Karchner for Garland. Terrible trade then, still a terrible trade.

[JC]

I'll continue to argue til the day I die that Garland for Karchner turned out to be a good trade. Garland in the Cubs farm system means he's wasting a spot in our rotation right now, and Zambrano is not a part of the rotation in '03, quite possibly traded away by then. There's no room for Garland in our rotation or bullpen right now.

 

You might be right. At the same time, Karchner sucked huge and was not worth the talent given up at the time. Just because he doesn't have a place now doesn't justify ignoring the disparity in value. Who knows if we would have spent $2M on Dempster this year if Garland was around? How about $3M on Estes (of course, there is the lefty component with him).

 

As I said, you might be right. I just can't agree that its that black and white.

[CoolHandLuke]

I'll continue to argue til the day I die that Garland for Karchner turned out to be a good trade. Garland in the Cubs farm system means he's wasting a spot in our rotation right now, and Zambrano is not a part of the rotation in '03, quite possibly traded away by then. There's no room for Garland in our rotation or bullpen right now.

 

You might be right. At the same time, Karchner sucked huge and was not worth the talent given up at the time. Just because he doesn't have a place now doesn't justify ignoring the disparity in value. Who knows if we would have spent $2M on Dempster this year if Garland was around? How about $3M on Estes (of course, there is the lefty component with him).

 

As I said, you might be right. I just can't agree that its that black and white.

 

How about the big maddux contract?

[JC]

I'll continue to argue til the day I die that Garland for Karchner turned out to be a good trade. Garland in the Cubs farm system means he's wasting a spot in our rotation right now, and Zambrano is not a part of the rotation in '03, quite possibly traded away by then. There's no room for Garland in our rotation or bullpen right now.

 

You might be right. At the same time, Karchner sucked huge and was not worth the talent given up at the time. Just because he doesn't have a place now doesn't justify ignoring the disparity in value. Who knows if we would have spent $2M on Dempster this year if Garland was around? How about $3M on Estes (of course, there is the lefty component with him).

 

As I said, you might be right. I just can't agree that its that black and white.

 

How about the big maddux contract?

 

I am in the minority in thinking that his contract was based more on emotion than need. I'm not sure Garland's presence based on his 2003 would have stopped the Maddux signing.

[CoolHandLuke]

I'll continue to argue til the day I die that Garland for Karchner turned out to be a good trade. Garland in the Cubs farm system means he's wasting a spot in our rotation right now, and Zambrano is not a part of the rotation in '03, quite possibly traded away by then. There's no room for Garland in our rotation or bullpen right now.

 

You might be right. At the same time, Karchner sucked huge and was not worth the talent given up at the time. Just because he doesn't have a place now doesn't justify ignoring the disparity in value. Who knows if we would have spent $2M on Dempster this year if Garland was around? How about $3M on Estes (of course, there is the lefty component with him).

 

As I said, you might be right. I just can't agree that its that black and white.

 

How about the big maddux contract?

 

I am in the minority in thinking that his contract was based more on emotion than need. I'm not sure Garland's presence based on his 2003 would have stopped the Maddux signing.

 

I totally agree with that, but having Garland definately would have lessened the chances of signing Maddux IMO.

[AFCubsFan]

Now Jay Marriotti is catching on:

 

More than The Evil Stoney

 

 

 

And there is the issue of Dusty Baker, who is managing like a guy counting the days until his contract expires. Considering that day isn't coming until October 2006, he might want to stop pouting about Steve Stone's criticisms and realize that the other members of ESPN's three-man crew were harsher Thursday. The major aggressor was former New York Mets general manager Steve Phillips, who openly joined play-by-play man Gary Thorne in questioning some of Baker's decisions. And why not when the struggling Mike Remlinger, who has been hit hard by Larry Walker during his career, was summoned to replace the effective Michael Wuertz and face Walker in the eighth inning? Like Stone, Phillips criticized before the fact. When Remlinger allowed a home run to his nemesis, the Rev. Johnnie B. couldn't say he was being picked on just by The Evil Stoney. Seems the word is out: Baker is lost.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/mariotti/cst-spt-jay22.html

[Dunston_to_Ryno_to_Grace]

**THIS JOKE CENSORED FOR TOO MUCH HUMOR*** Edited May 6, 2005 by Dunston_to_Ryno_to_Grace

[Geech]

I can't believe Dusty let it rain today. What an idiot! :-k

 

Looks like ZZ has a mini-me.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I can't believe Dusty let it rain today. What an idiot! :-k

 

Looks like ZZ has a mini-me.

 

You don't lie:

 

I blame Dusty for this rain-out.

[E.J.]

I can't believe Dusty let it rain today. What an idiot! :-k

 

Looks like ZZ has a mini-me.

 

You don't lie:

 

I blame Dusty for this rain-out.

 

Maybe ZZ thought he wasn't get his word out enough so he decided to start up a 2nd username to post under??? :-k :D

[Dunston_to_Ryno_to_Grace]

I hear Dick Pole's playing short tomorrow...

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I hear Dick Pole's playing short tomorrow...

 

:roll:

[Geech]

I hear Dick Pole's playing short tomorrow...

 

That guy has such an awesome name.

 

http://wgnradio.com/sports/photos/cubscon2004/dickpoleCC04.jpg

 

"Hey, guys! You won't believe what they wrote on this sign!"

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Dubois is 2 for 3 and gets pinch hit for with Jose Macias because there's a righty on the mound. A lefty then comes in and Macias is retired. :roll:

[10man]

Dubois is 2 for 3 and gets pinch hit for with Jose Macias because there's a righty on the mound. A lefty then comes in and Macias is retired. :roll:

This has got to be an all-time low in the history of Major League managing.

[TXCubsFan]

Dubois is 2 for 3 and gets pinch hit for with Jose Macias because there's a righty on the mound. A lefty then comes in and Macias is retired. :roll:

This has got to be an all-time low in the history of Major League managing.

 

What the Cubs need to do:

 

1. Fire Dusty ASAP.

2. Release Macias or trade him for a career minor leaguer.

3. Start Dubois in LF (with Holla as platoon)

4. Have Wuertz close until Borowski returns.

5. Find a stopgap SS and return Cedeno to Iowa.

[ZZ Thorn]

I can't believe Dusty let it rain today. What an idiot! :-k

 

Looks like ZZ has a mini-me.

 

You don't lie:

 

I blame Dusty for this rain-out.

 

Haha! Good one DRG! Great minds think alike eh? :yeah:

 

I can't believe Dusty used his closer. This loss is all his fault. Who uses their closer to save the game!!!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I can't believe Dusty used his closer. This loss is all his fault. Who uses their closer to save the game!!!

 

Way to read my criticism of Dusty. :roll:

[ZZ Thorn]

I can't believe Dusty used his closer. This loss is all his fault. Who uses their closer to save the game!!!

 

Way to read my criticism of Dusty. :roll:

 

I really have no idea what you are talking about.

 

While I'm here: I can't believe Dusty didn't equip the RF with a telescoping fishing net that could have been used to catch that game-winning home run. Nice call Dusty! Dubois would have caught that.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I'm upset Dusty pinch hit for Dubois after the game Dubois was having. He pinch hit with Macias because a righty was pitching. And then, promptly, a lefty was brought in and Macias grounded our weakly. The Cubs could have used that insurance run.

 

Also, that hit-and-run with Lee was idiotic.

[Dunston_to_Ryno_to_Grace]

I'm upset Dusty pinch hit for Dubois after the game Dubois was having. He pinch hit with Macias because a righty was pitching. And then, promptly, a lefty was brought in and Macias grounded our weakly....

 

I'm not all bad, man!! I agree with ya on this one!!! It's one thing if he had been 0-3 on the afternoon, but he had the hot bat today and Dusty turned it into a hot potato. :wink:

[SouthSideRyan]

The Macias thing didn't even dawn on me until they came back from commercial. I then realized that that couldn't have been the pitcher's spot, then it clicked that it was Dubois. I spent the rest of the game ranting about it. Even if you're going to pinch hit for Dubois there, why not Hollandsworth? Holla came into the game in LF anyways, IT MADE NO SENSE!

 

Does Dusty think Dubois didn't see any righties in the minors??