Cardinals (Gibson) vs Cubs (Taillon): 8/3/24, 1:20pm

[UMFan83]

6 hours ago, WhyCantWeWin said:

I think the sample size of his entire career of him hitting beyond his xwOBA is finally catching up to him. He was able to succeed hitting at the trop despite his shortcomings but I think his entire career has shown hes a largly mediocre player who has gotten lucky. And now hitting at Wrigley, I believe its quite obvious its going to be a struggle for him. Because it has been for him his entire career away from the trop. 

He’s a huge pull hitter. Pull hitters largely tend to outperform their xwOBA for reasons I outlined a few days ago but don’t feel like finding at 1:30 in the morning when I’m half awake lol

Look I know we all like to look at Jed as a blundering idiot but the man knows significantly more about baseball than every single one of us and has access to data that none of us have. Doesn’t mean he’s always going to be right (obviously) but I highly doubt he made the trade without considering the ramifications of how his hitting profile is affected by playing half his games at a Wrigley Field. 

Edited August 4, 2024 by UMFan83

[Derwood]

I didn’t see the PCA play, but his overall demeanor in the field is overly casual and cocky. He does the “catch it at my shoulder at the last second” thing that Soriano used to do (minus the hop) and it drives me crazy

Edited August 4, 2024 by Derwood

[Eeyore]

12 hours ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

I caught part of the Marquee postgame show and Cliff Floyd was putting most of the blame on Nico for the ball that didn't get caught.  I can't say that I really agree, but he said Nico was too tentative in his call, PCA was calling the ball the whole time, and Nico should have got out of the way earlier.  I still feel like PCA has to recognize Nico being camped under the ball, but I guess I kind of see what Floyd was saying.  PCA hesitated a bit not knowing whether Nico was going to get out of the way, and that is what caused him to not be able to get to the ball.  The whole situation is avoided if PCA just allows Nico to make the play, but I can't completely dismiss Floyd's opinion as a former Major League outfielder.

Similar situation earlier in the game where Nico got in Seiya's way and Seiya had to slide which caused him to drop the ball. 

Maybe the guy who is running toward the play and has a better throwing opportunity should be given preference over the guy who is running backward?

[Rcal10]

38 minutes ago, Eeyore said:

Similar situation earlier in the game where Nico got in Seiya's way and Seiya had to slide which caused him to drop the ball. 

Maybe the guy who is running toward the play and has a better throwing opportunity should be given preference over the guy who is running backward?

Except in neither case did throwing the ball come into play. The first one there was no one in base and no outs. They last one was two outs. If the infielder is under the ball he should take it. I am not sure what happened in either ball or who was at fault, but I know who would be in a better position to throw the ball was not a consideration. 

[Rcal10]

18 hours ago, Geographyhater8888 said:

An error from our outfielder and our third baseman capped off by Neris giving up a home run for the exclamation point. Some things never change. 

Neris didn’t give up a homer. He did give up a run. Did you watch the game or just taking this opportunity to just vent? 

[Rcal10]

16 hours ago, CubUgly said:

Look man, that was a gut punch so I get every emotional response out there.  Passion is the true enemy of reason so passionate/unreasoned discourse here is not surprising at all.

Myself for instance, after that inexplicable display of little league level defense cost us a win - I hear Boog comparing it to Thursday like it was the same thing.  That set me off!! No...No.....No Boog, I defend you when others come after you -  This was not AT ALL like Thursday!!  

 

Thursday we EARNED it.  We got clutch hard hits off a top level closer....something we've done little of this year but it was legit.  This one was today a by-product of a two defensive plays that defy explanation from professionals!!  It was not at all like what happened Thursday.   That analysis was a little league as defensive faux-pas's that cost us this win. 

 

Exactly. Not  even close to the same thing. Had Arenado come up and homered that is different. He hit a weak ass pop up and the Cubs missed it. Cardinals didn’t do anything to win the game. Cubs lost the game. There is a difference. 

[Andy]

17 hours ago, soccer10k said:

Counterpoint:

 

To amend Kyle's point, sustained success never starts with tanking unless you're also cheating.

[Eeyore]

50 minutes ago, Rcal10 said:

Except in neither case did throwing the ball come into play. The first one there was no one in base and no outs. They last one was two outs. If the infielder is under the ball he should take it. I am not sure what happened in either ball or who was at fault, but I know who would be in a better position to throw the ball was not a consideration. 

If I'm making fire rules to be followed I'm going to make rules that take as much thinking out of it as possible. It's pretty simple to figure out a rule that states if the ball is hit to the outfield and the outfielder calls for it, let the outfielder catch it. If the outfielder doesn't call for it, he should backup the infielder but let the infielder catch it. Eliminate thinking how many outs, which base(s) occupied, which inning, etc.

[chibears55]

PCA is fine, he made a mistake,  he owned up to it but he's still learning. 

 

[Rcal10]

22 minutes ago, chibears55 said:

PCA is fine, he made a mistake,  he owned up to it but he's still learning. 

 

Exactly. He is an elite outfielder who messed up. Doesn’t suddenly mean he isn’t a good centerfielder. As you said, he made a mistake. He will be fine and is a great defender. 

[WhyCantWeWin]

17 hours ago, UMFan83 said:

He’s a huge pull hitter. Pull hitters largely tend to outperform their xwOBA for reasons I outlined a few days ago but don’t feel like finding at 1:30 in the morning when I’m half awake lol

Look I know we all like to look at Jed as a blundering idiot but the man knows significantly more about baseball than every single one of us and has access to data that none of us have. Doesn’t mean he’s always going to be right (obviously) but I highly doubt he made the trade without considering the ramifications of how his hitting profile is affected by playing half his games at a Wrigley Field. 

Respectfully, I disagree. His profile just screams regression, but i hope you and Jed are right