David Ross.....

[Longhorn20]

could have done this good. and we'd have a few million for free agents.

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[Derwood]

12 minutes ago, Longhorn20 said:

could have done this good. and we'd have a few million for free agents.

What few million? Manager contract doesn't count towards the luxury tax

[Soul]

Counsell’s win % with the Cubs is right where it was with the Brewers his first two seasons.

[Longhorn20]

so we're supposed to be happy this year and next?

[Longhorn20]

On 6/28/2024 at 9:59 AM, Derwood said:

What few million? Manager contract doesn't count towards the luxury tax

8 minus 3 (4?). however you want to spin it, it's still 4-5 million in the Cubs pockets. simple math.

[jersey cubs fan]

[Derwood]

[Soul]

4 hours ago, Longhorn20 said:

so we're supposed to be happy this year and next?

I don’t know, yes?  If the goal was to kind of re create the Milwaukee model then that didn’t happen overnight.

Honestly I’m confused by the whole deal because they seem to have wanted that but spent 40 million for low budget goodness and yet they’re big market.

[jersey cubs fan]

51 minutes ago, Soul said:

I don’t know, yes?  If the goal was to kind of re create the Milwaukee model then that didn’t happen overnight.

Honestly I’m confused by the whole deal because they seem to have wanted that but spent 40 million for low budget goodness and yet they’re big market.

It was a half measure effort. They wanted to get better but didn’t want to bring in elite talent so they spent some money but on second or third rate players and are getting predictably poor outcomes. 

[chibears55]

It year one with a makeshift roster, talk to us in year 3

[jersey cubs fan]

11 hours ago, chibears55 said:

It year one with a makeshift roster, talk to us in year 3

This isn’t a makeshift roster. It is a roster that Jed Hoyer deliberately put together.

[SouthSideRyan]

You can’t expect Jed to make the playoffs just 4 years into his tenure

[Longhorn20]

11 hours ago, chibears55 said:

It year one with a makeshift roster, talk to us in year 3

I could be dead in 3 years.

[LBiittner]

32 minutes ago, SouthSideRyan said:

You can’t expect Jed to make the playoffs just 4 years into his tenure

Theo did?

Edited June 30, 2024 by LBiittner

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2 minutes ago, LBiittner said:

Theo did?

a mighty woooooooosh

[thawv]

On 6/30/2024 at 9:50 AM, jersey cubs fan said:

This isn’t a makeshift roster. It is a roster that Jed Hoyer deliberately put together.

And spent a ton of money doing it!  He is not qualified to run a major market team that should be trying to win the WS every single year. 

“When people say a small-market mentality, they’re talking about trying to find value in deals and undervalued players. I always want to do that."  - Jed

[CubinNY]

I could see Rossy taking over for Boone when he gets fired after the ASB.

[Stratos]

On 7/9/2024 at 8:23 AM, thawv said:

And spent a ton of money doing it!  He is not qualified to run a major market team that should be trying to win the WS every single year. 

“When people say a small-market mentality, they’re talking about trying to find value in deals and undervalued players. I always want to do that."  - Jed

Jed has spent money and payroll.  His job is to literally maximize the WAR per million spent.  The issue isn't avoiding terrible mega contracts to get stars, its that he's been really inconsistent at value-spending in FA, while also not having a ton of surplus from young players.

Jed has done well with with his 3+ year acquisitions like Imanaga, Seiya, Taillon.  He extended Happ and Nico.  But he hasn't done the same care with value with low-end talent like Smyly, Mancini, Barnhart, Hendricks, Neris etc.  The Billy Beane's A's or the Rays never went out and spend 9.5m AAV on Smyly or 7.5m on Mancini  or 6 million on a washed up Arrieta etc, all guys with borderline replacement talent/tools.

[thawv]

6 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Jed has spent money and payroll.  His job is to literally maximize the WAR per million spent.  The issue isn't avoiding terrible mega contracts to get stars, its that he's been really inconsistent at value-spending in FA, while also not having a ton of surplus from young players.

Jed has done well with with his 3+ year acquisitions like Imanaga, Seiya, Taillon.  He extended Happ and Nico.  But he hasn't done the same care with value with low-end talent like Smyly, Mancini, Barnhart, Hendricks, Neris etc.  The Billy Beane's A's or the Rays never went out and spend 9.5m AAV on Smyly or 7.5m on Mancini  or 6 million on a washed up Arrieta etc, all guys with borderline replacement talent/tools.

I can't wait until he's gone.

[CubinNY]

31 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Jed has spent money and payroll.  His job is to literally maximize the WAR per million spent.  The issue isn't avoiding terrible mega contracts to get stars, its that he's been really inconsistent at value-spending in FA, while also not having a ton of surplus from young players.

Jed has done well with with his 3+ year acquisitions like Imanaga, Seiya, Taillon.  He extended Happ and Nico.  But he hasn't done the same care with value with low-end talent like Smyly, Mancini, Barnhart, Hendricks, Neris etc.  The Billy Beane's A's or the Rays never went out and spend 9.5m AAV on Smyly or 7.5m on Mancini  or 6 million on a washed up Arrieta etc, all guys with borderline replacement talent/tools.

His job is to make a team that wins games, not maximize WAR/dollars. That's part of the problem. Always looking for value leads to a mediocre team. 

[Stratos]

5 hours ago, CubinNY said:

His job is to make a team that wins games, not maximize WAR/dollars. That's part of the problem. Always looking for value leads to a mediocre team. 

Maximizing WAR per dollar spent is how you win the most games given the payroll you have (plus some intangibles thrown in the mix).  The problem is Jed has wasted tens of millions on several low WAR players with barely above replacement tools who typically get released or benched/demoted mid-season.  Wasting money is absurd, and that's what Hoyer has done with several signings, luckily not longterm ones.

Fringe players filling out the bottom of the roster should be low cost guys on the scrap heap with potential or trading for career AAA guys with potential to contribute like Tauchman, Wisdom, Tepera etc

[CubinNY]

20 minutes ago, Stratos said:

Maximizing WAR per dollar spent is how you win the most games given the payroll you have (plus some intangibles thrown in the mix).  The problem is Jed has wasted tens of millions on several low WAR players with barely above replacement tools who typically get released or benched/demoted mid-season.  Wasting money is absurd, and that's what Hoyer has done with several signings, luckily not longterm ones.

Fringe players filling out the bottom of the roster should be low cost guys on the scrap heap with potential or trading for career AAA guys with potential to contribute like Tauchman, Wisdom, Tepera etc

No it’s not. 

[Stratos]

11 minutes ago, CubinNY said:

No it’s not. 

How does a GM maximize wins over the short and longterm?

[CubinNY]

22 minutes ago, Stratos said:

How does a GM maximize wins over the short and longterm?

There is no correlation between WAR and post season success. In other words a team with a higher WAR collectively is no more successful than a team with a lower WAR. Baseball is a TEAM sport. WAR is an INDIVIDUAL statistic with dubious value.