Cubs (Hendricks) vs Diamondbacks (Henry): 4/16/24, 8:40pm, Marquee

[ToolDRT]

Just now, squally1313 said:

Not trying to be overly snarky, but what promises/who made them 

Yeah, that was meant as just a figure of speech. Wondered when I wrote it if I should have edited my wording. But no, just the ascertaining that Counsell was a head and shoulders above the rest manger. To me, the variance between a good and bad manger isn’t terribly severe in baseball. I think coaching is much, much more important in the other major sports. Not trying to dump on Counsell either. I like him. Just never agreed with the idea that your marquee move of the offseason should be a manger. 

[Outshined_One]

Just now, JD94 said:

I love this team I hate this team

I love and hate that I know that no lead is safe in any game this team plays, regardless of who has the lead.

[WhyCantWeWin]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

Make it horsefeathers stop already. Seems like Counsell is basically punting this game by keeping Little in when he clearly has nothing. Tired pen and a day game tomorrow I suppose…

He's desperately trying to get innings, Hendricks shouldn't have been back out there either 

Edited April 17, 2024 by WhyCantWeWin

[Derwood]

Bunch of wild pitches couples with a blessing from the BABIP gods upon the Bananas

[JHBulls]

Might as well sign Lourdes Gurriel Jr to pitch in relief for the Cubs. Just go full clown. 

[ToolDRT]

2 minutes ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Not saying Counsell hasn't made moves that have backfired, but Madrigal would be starting 4 games a week if Ross was still here.

And that’s probably true as well. I actually like his lineup construction. His bullpen moves puzzle me at times. 

[Randall Simon]

Wow! Busch just saved us from complete embarrassment 

[ToolDRT]

Alright offense, time to chip away. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

1 minute ago, UMFan83 said:

This was the inning to use Leiter. Gets lefties out at a high clip, much more reliable pitcher, potentially your highest leverage spot in the game.  I really don’t understand this horsefeathers from Counsell

They need to get 14 outs from the pen(maybe more like last night!) and Neris, Thompson, and Smyly are all probably down.  The best case scenario was leaving this inning with a 1 run lead, so pending an offensive explosion there's bound to be higher leverage situations later.  Gotta be able to use the whole pen.

[KCCub]

Guys, we’re 10-6 with a ton of injuries, the pen is cooked, and Hendricks is not good. There’s literally not many moves CC could make there. If you can’t bring in Little when he’s rested and the only lefty available to face Joc, then why is he on the roster? 

[PackLandVA]

2 minutes ago, Randall Simon said:

Wow! Busch just saved us from complete embarrassment 

He looked surprised he caught it.

[squally1313]

Yeah thank god CC is here to play the terrible defensive third baseman with a 691 OPS going into this game. Can you imagine where we would be without his leadership in this hypothetical comparison 

[ToolDRT]

Come on Busch 

[WhyCantWeWin]

Still can come back in this one, I heard some team blew an 8-0 lead this year 

[ToolDRT]

Man, Busch has just missed on a few tonight. 

[squally1313]

1 minute ago, squally1313 said:

Yeah thank god CC is here to play the terrible defensive third baseman with a 691 OPS going into this game. Can you imagine where we would be without his leadership in this hypothetical comparison 

Christopher morel has been worth -0.1 fWAR this year 

[Randall Simon]

When Taillon is ready, can we make up an injury to Kyle and send him to the IL?

[Irrelevant Dude]

Just now, squally1313 said:

Christopher morel has been worth -0.1 fWAR this year 

How much has Busch been worth, because Ross would almost certainly have him splitting time with Cooper at 1B.  

[squally1313]

Just now, Irrelevant Dude said:

How much has Busch been worth, because Ross would almost certainly have him splitting time with Cooper at 1B.  

Are we just making up hypotheticals now to defend counsell 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

We are getting real-time confirmation that every manager will do things on a near-daily basis that you don't understand or agree with, and in response we are apparently getting pissed about bad decisions hypothetical David Ross would have made.

[Irrelevant Dude]

Just now, squally1313 said:

Are we just making up hypotheticals now to defend counsell 

Somewhat, yes.  Ross and Counsell clearly have significantly different approaches to day-to-day lineup construction and I think we have seen the benefit of that with Busch getting such consistent playing time.

[UMFan83]

4 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

They need to get 14 outs from the pen(maybe more like last night!) and Neris, Thompson, and Smyly are all probably down.  The best case scenario was leaving this inning with a 1 run lead, so pending an offensive explosion there's bound to be higher leverage situations later.  Gotta be able to use the whole pen.

Well now there’s no more high leverage situations because the rookie with no control came in with the bases loaded and wildly allowed 4 runs to score with a series of wild pitches walks and hits. is it not at least somewhat like the concept of saving your closer for a save situation in extra innings on the road? You don’t have a save situation if the opponent scores off your crappier pitcher before the closer can be used. No guarantees there will be another bases loaded 1 out situation with the Cubs nursing a 1 run lead with a lefty due up again. 
 

Of course you have to get outs and I get what he’s trying to balance between managing to win this game and managing to win long term and that because of that you are occasionally gonna have to bite the bullet and use a less reliable pitcher in a situation you don’t really want to, I just don’t understand that particular decision to use that particular pitcher in that spot. 

[Irrelevant Dude]

3 minutes ago, Transmogrified Tiger said:

We are getting real-time confirmation that every manager will do things on a near-daily basis that you don't understand or agree with, and in response we are apparently getting pissed about bad decisions hypothetical David Ross would have made.

"Hypothetical David Ross"

That would make a great user name.

[squally1313]

1 minute ago, Irrelevant Dude said:

Somewhat, yes.  Ross and Counsell clearly have significantly different approaches to day-to-day lineup construction and I think we have seen the benefit of that with Busch getting such consistent playing time.

To be clear, you are trying to compare two managers and as part of your argument you are just making up theoretical suboptimal decisions for the guy you are arguing against. 

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Someone smarter than me should take team rankings in IP/GS, convert the values to a 1-10 scale, and rename it like the 'Manager Confidence Index'.

In other news, the Cubs are dead last in IP/GS.