Guess what an idiot with a sports betting app did this time?

[UK]

For college football week 1:

Clemson +14.5 at UGA

Stanford +9 at home vs TCU

Arkansas State -10.5 at home vs Central Arkansas 

Houston -1 at home vs UNLV

 

[Tank]

9 hours ago, Brian707 said:

Time to dust off the sports betting apps. 

 

Week 1

Jacksonville +3.5

Carolina +4

Arizona +6.5

Washington +3.5

 

I'm liking that Jacksonville +3.5. 

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

I've mentioned bestball contests here on other threads, but thought I'd give the team a heads up for a site/contest that's offering some pretty good deals. 

Drafters.com is running a 500k to first guaranteed contest (15 dollar entry) that almost certainly won't fill, and should have a lot of overlay.  They also have some decent deposit bonuses.  I put 100 bucks on there, they matched my 100 (with a promo code), and then with other offers (draft 6 teams, get one free etc) I've got 225 bucks worth of entries out of my 100, and that's not considering the probable overlay. Check it out if you like drafting fantasy football teams, and who here doesn't?  

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

Almost every single podcast and betting/poker feed that I listen to (which largely has the stance of "politics is dumb" or just don't want to out themselves as conservatives) is now openly pleading with their listeners to call their representatives to not pass the bill.  It has a pretty heinous addition that limits what gamblers can itemize for losses.  The face-eating is next level...but there isn't any catharsis (and also hurts me fairly significantly) in it.  It's infuriating that THIS is the part of the bill  (and life in general) that has them upset enough to pull a shameless 180 and get political.  

[Sammy Sofa]

22 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

It has a pretty heinous addition that limits what gamblers can itemize for losses.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

22 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Oh pfft.  The way the law is written, you can only claim 90% of your losses, but must report all your winnings.  So if you make 10,000 in bets and wind up breaking completely even, you'd have to claim 1000 dollars.  So it isn't just people making money that this would ding.  It's just taxing gambling on top of what its already taxed, which is already pretty bonkers. 

 

And even if you're a prude and don't want any regulated gambling at all, this is just going to drive gambling underground and reduce tax revenue, like a lot of what this administration seems keen to do.  

[Sammy Sofa]

Deplatforming works!

20 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

this is just going to drive gambling underground

Deplatforming works!

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

7 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Deplatforming works!

Deplatforming works!

Nancy Reagan agrees.

[jersey cubs fan]

10 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

Nancy Reagan agrees.

She’s the *goat 
 

* throat

[Sammy Sofa]

13 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

Nancy Reagan agrees.

Yeah, the legalization/mainstreaming efforts for drugs HAS also been pretty ****** and really horsefeathers detrimental without any real safety net/support system/proper regulation also put into place around it.

None of it should be normalized. I'm not saying ban it, but it took horsefeathers DECADES to undo the normalization of smoking in this country (and you can see a low grade frantic undoing of that with how vaping/e-cigs were rolled out and tolerated/celebrated as an alternative).

It SHOULD be hard to gamble. It's one of the worst possible things to normalize and make easier to do with the throes of disaster capitalism raging around us.

[jersey cubs fan]

Gambling on sports by douche bros should absolutely be banned. Make those incels prove they haven’t thought of shooting up a school before they can make a second deposit 

[Hot Sauce]

3 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Gambling on sports by douche bros should absolutely be banned. Make those incels prove they haven’t thought of shooting up a school before they can make a second deposit 

You good, bro?

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

5 hours ago, jersey cubs fan said:

Gambling on sports by douche bros should absolutely be banned. Make those incels prove they haven’t thought of shooting up a school before they can make a second deposit 

This reads like a  script from a covert cyrpto-bro. Turn down the volume, please. 

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

7 hours ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Yeah, the legalization/mainstreaming efforts for drugs HAS also been pretty ****** and really horsefeathers detrimental without any real safety net/support system/proper regulation also put into place around it.

None of it should be normalized. I'm not saying ban it, but it took horsefeathers DECADES to undo the normalization of smoking in this country (and you can see a low grade frantic undoing of that with how vaping/e-cigs were rolled out and tolerated/celebrated as an alternative).

It SHOULD be hard to gamble. It's one of the worst possible things to normalize and make easier to do with the throes of disaster capitalism raging around us.

If you actually have want to have a good-faith discussion about how gambling SHOULD be regulated, I'm game. But I'll let you start with your own suggestion for how to do that...

[BigbadB]

I don't care if people gamble, but I want an ignore feature on my tv removing ads from any and all gambling sites, as well as muting of any gambling references in sports events. I don't feel that instituting odds on every aspect of a game adds to the enjoyment of the game itself. I actually hate it. Maybe there needs to be a non gambling button next to the close caption and parental guidance buttons.

[Sammy Sofa]

4 hours ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

If you actually have want to have a good-faith discussion about how gambling SHOULD be regulated, I'm game. But I'll let you start with your own suggestion for how to do that...

No advertising. No apps. No gambling games in gas stations/rest stops/etc..

Again, deplatforming works; you make something like this less visible/harder to do then less people are exposed to it/will do it, period (and comparing gambling to drugs is just stupid; they're hugely different types of addiction. Nobody is in physical agony because they can't flush their paycheck into DraftKings).

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

3 hours ago, Sammy Sofa said:

No advertising. No apps. No gambling games in gas stations/rest stops/etc..

Again, deplatforming works; you make something like this less visible/harder to do then less people are exposed to it/will do it, period (and comparing gambling to drugs is just stupid; they're hugely different types of addiction. Nobody is in physical agony because they can't flush their paycheck into DraftKings).

I'm obviously on board with restrictions on advertising.  And also agreed on gas stations.  Both are largely unrelated to what you've said thus far. 

But your last part about comparing it to drugs is beyond me.  Drawing some kind of line between physical and mental agony is a difference without a distinction.  And if your point is that gambling isn't as "agonizing" as drugs, that's just an argument FOR having it be legal and regulated, as I have to imagine you're in favor of drug legalization.  (You were weirdly critical of legalization rollouts above, but I take it you're just letting good be the enemy of perfect for argument's sake, right?)  The reason I'm comparing gambling to drugs is that they are both things that are a sink on society, but they have existed for all of human history, will continue to exist, and making them illegal and confining them to black markets is way worse than the alternative.  Btw, the more restrictions the state places on gambling, the more self-driving yachts bitcoin bros gets to purchase.  It's precisely as easy to say "deplatforming works" as fighting a war on drugs, and then just ignoring the outcomes.

[Sammy Sofa]

35 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

I'm obviously on board with restrictions on advertising.  And also agreed on gas stations.  Both are largely unrelated to what you've said thus far. 

But your last part about comparing it to drugs is beyond me.  Drawing some kind of line between physical and mental agony is a difference without a distinction.  And if your point is that gambling isn't as "agonizing" as drugs, that's just an argument FOR having it be legal and regulated, as I have to imagine you're in favor of drug legalization.  (You were weirdly critical of legalization rollouts above, but I take it you're just letting good be the enemy of perfect for argument's sake, right?)  The reason I'm comparing gambling to drugs is that they are both things that are a sink on society, but they have existed for all of human history, will continue to exist, and making them illegal and confining them to black markets is way worse than the alternative.  Btw, the more restrictions the state places on gambling, the more self-driving yachts bitcoin bros gets to purchase.  It's precisely as easy to say "deplatforming works" as fighting a war on drugs, and then just ignoring the outcomes.

Different addictions are, d'uh, different. Yes, comparing drug addiction to gambling addiction as if they should or could be addressed in the same ways is a, IMO, obvious fallacy, just like it would be trying to manage, say, a porn addiction the same as someone addicted to alcohol.

And the biggest problem with legalization is that the American capitalist approach today is, as it is too many things in our lives, "well, this is technically legal so all bets (pun intended?) are horsefeathers off, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" Drug legalization in America has been, IMO, essentially a catastrophe. There are practically zero safety nets in place, and the wildly varying nature from state to state makes doing so nearly impossible.

And that's ultimately the problem with all of this horsefeathers; we don't consistently regulate any of it sensibly on a national level AND provide the necessary social systems to help minimize the inherent, unavoidable damage. Your bitcoin bros analogy? Those guys only get to thrive because we haven't done horsefeathers to regulate crypto or the internet.

So the reality is you already won. The worst that's going to happen gambling or completely insignificant inconveniences like the provision you complained about at the beginning of this. Gambling as a readily accessible, normalized part of our lives and nobody is going to ever put that back into the bottle.

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

10 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

Different addictions are, d'uh, different. Yes, comparing drug addiction to gambling addiction as if they should or could be addressed in the same ways is a, IMO, obvious fallacy, just like it would be trying to manage, say, a porn addiction the same as someone addicted to alcohol.

And the biggest problem with legalization is that the American capitalist approach today is, as it is too many things in our lives, "well, this is technically legal so all bets (pun intended?) are horsefeathers off, LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" Drug legalization in America has been, IMO, essentially a catastrophe. There are practically zero safety nets in place, and the wildly varying nature from state to state makes doing so nearly impossible.

And that's ultimately the problem with all of this horsefeathers; we don't consistently regulate any of it sensibly on a national level AND provide the necessary social systems to help minimize the inherent, unavoidable damage. Your bitcoin bros analogy? Those guys only get to thrive because we haven't done horsefeathers to regulate crypto or the internet.

So the reality is you already won. The worst that's going to happen gambling or completely insignificant inconveniences like the provision you complained about at the beginning of this. Gambling as a readily accessible, normalized part of our lives and nobody is going to ever put that back into the bottle.

I didn't compare drug addiction to gambling addiction.  You did.  I'm comparing the regulation of their markets.

The bit coin bros comment wasn't an analogy.  That's the reality.

And good is the enemy of perfect.  Gotcha,

[Sammy Sofa]

3 minutes ago, JudasIscariotTheBird said:

1. I didn't compare drug addiction to gambling addiction.  You did.  I'm comparing the regulation of their markets.

2. The bit coin bros comment wasn't an analogy.  That's the reality.

3. And good is the enemy of perfect.  Gotcha,

1. Oh, FFS; it started out of your dumb Nancy Reagan crack. And great; the regulation of both sucks ass and basically only benefits grifters and amoral capitalists while exacerbating the harm that both cause due to their respective addictive properties.

2. Yeah, the reality due to the aforementioned lack of regulation.

3. NONE OF THIS IS EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO "GOOD."

[JudasIscariotTheBird]

17 minutes ago, Sammy Sofa said:

1. Oh, FFS; it started out of your dumb Nancy Reagan crack. And great; the regulation of both sucks ass and basically only benefits grifters and amoral capitalists while exacerbating the harm that both cause due to their respective addictive properties.

2. Yeah, the reality due to the aforementioned lack of regulation.

3. NONE OF THIS IS EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO "GOOD."

1.  Partly agreed now.  Exacerbate is just wrong, though.  Thank you for acknowledging what I was actually saying originally.

2. Sure, we both want all things to be great.  Not sure what that has to do with anything.

3. Everything is relative.

[Hot Sauce]

5 hours ago, BigbadB said:

I don't care if people gamble, but I want an ignore feature on my tv removing ads from any and all gambling sites, as well as muting of any gambling references in sports events. I don't feel that instituting odds on every aspect of a game adds to the enjoyment of the game itself. I actually hate it. Maybe there needs to be a non gambling button next to the close caption and parental guidance buttons.

This is how I feel about most statistics and sports analysis. Most of it is not the least bit interesting. For example, baseball’s obsession with launch angle. No fan watching live at the ballpark ever turned to someone and asked, “I wonder what the launch angle on that 3-run homer was?” It’s a pointless statistic and the sports world is full of those now. 

[CubinNY]

Besides pot what other drugs are legal? Sofa, you are a nutter’s nutter. Are we going to have you doing scenes from reffer madness?

[Sammy Sofa]

1 hour ago, CubinNY said:

Besides pot what other drugs are legal? Sofa, you are a nutter’s nutter. Are we going to have you doing scenes from reffer madness?

Sure, if it makes you feel better to completely make up the idea that I inexplicably think weed is some kind of super drug, then go nuts.

[Sammy Sofa]

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Betting on individual pitches certainly is....something.